Any idea on what is going on?
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Any idea on what is going on?
We have sufficient capability to pound Pak into oblivion! What makes you think that India-Pak war would be a long drawn war like Russia-Ukraine? It would be short and ferocious, IMO.
Facing China in a long war is totally different problem.
dont think India will fight a all out against pakistan, missiles hitting cities or our critical infra will seriously damage our economy.
Attrition war where we slowly grind them and their economy is what we will be looking at.
pakistan is an irrational cntry and getting into fighting a uncontrolled war against it is the worst thing.
Plus we dont have the ammo for a full blown conflict. Russia-Ukraine has shown how even the most powerful bloc in the world is struggling to source ammo especially 152mm shells which Ukraine consumes like popcorn on Netflix Fridays.
It is in India's interest to let Pak implode and then just deliver a coup-de-grace. Secure the nukes (west will gladly help) and tighten borders
We have ammo. Don't get sucked into the WWR story, that gap's been plugged already. And we have more production than the entirety of NATO. But having more ammo definitely helps.
Fighting both India and the US at the same time is the opposite of what China wants. China's more likely to fight India to the last Pakistani.
The situation in Israel has taken away a few carriers, so that's some pressure off of the Pacific.
We took a political decision back then, pinned our hopes on the implosion of Pakistan, which is still a potential reality for Pak today.
Partly agree. While awaiting the implosion of Pakistan is the obvious step, but if they force our hand then taking Pak out is always possible with limited damage to ourselves. The reason being the establishment of BMD and the introduction of higher levels of intelligence gathering technologies than before.
And you can't compare Russia's problems in Ukraine with India's. The Russians are fighting far more humanely with an arm and a leg tied behind their backs. They also have different objectives than us. The Russians have to liberate cities, we don't. All we have to do is cut off cities from supplies and demilitarize the PA by taking out their heavy equipment. What will follow is the breakup of Pakistan by those emboldened by the lack of PA in provinces. So while the Russians have to fight in the urban setting, the IA will focus on the countryside, which means Russia needs years, we need weeks.
To complicate matters for Pakistan, they won't get constant supplies of weapons like Ukraine. They neither have the time for it, nor do they have such friends.
You need military with weapons, not a military with promised list of weapons. Last 9 years is not so different than the previous 10 years.Looks like things are escalating quite a bit as Pak has open fired with heavy artillery on Indian posts. The timing look really suspicious
That's what everyone thought about every war. They rarely turned out this way, though. Ferocious, sure; short, usually not.
Utter, utter bullshit. The Russians are throwing in everything they have except nukes. And they don't liberate cities, they obliterate them. The only population they have captured are those from the first couple of weeks of the war when they took Ukrainian defenses by surprise and, in a few cases, treachery. Since then, war has turned into artillery-heavy grindfest where every acre of territory exchanged has been shelled to Hell and back. There's no significant civilian population anymore, they're all evacuated.
Also the verb "liberate" is for when Ukraine takes back its territory; when Russia seizes territory the correct word is "capture".
Depends on the objectives. IA's objectives in Pakistan are very different from situations like SoKo, Ukraine, Palestine, Taiwan etc.
You can call it what you want, but it's their intentions that count. They think of it as liberating, not occupying, like you do, so their actions are based on their intentions, not what you think their intentions are.
"Destroying" a city isn't all that it's cracked up to be, the Israelis are doing much worse in Gaza.
Their artillery "grindfest" is peanuts compared to what they can really do. All this talk of them running out of ammo is just ridiculous. At best they have used 1/5th or 1/6th of their pre-war stocks, not all the stuff they have built since then or the stuff from NoKo. They used to be the Soviet Union, you know? And NoKo has endless stocks as well. I won't be surprised if they are already producing millions of shells a month. Putin did say their ammo production is up by 10 times.
I have a somewhat good idea about how much we produce in India, and I'm still underestimating the numbers. But I know for a fact the Russians produce more than us. Even then most of the Western world plans to depend on India for ammo production.
Ukraine too, they had a particular number they produced in 2022, and today in just 1 month they produce 2x more than what they did in all of 2022.
So you gotta stop underestimating the Russians and their ammo. They are probably at 20% use capacity today.
Agreed. War is unpredictable. But we won't fight like Russia, that's for sure.
Of course not, because this is not an era of war as PM Modi rightly said. Just keep getting slapped till you can and silently put the iron rod inside enemy's a§§ when ever the time comes and if you can't leave the job for next generation.
Time is ticking, India really needs to develop industrial complex to match Chinese weapon production rate to handle 2.5 front skirmish and attrition conflict.
We need to surpass Chinese arms production otherwise 2.5 front war is just a nightmare.
We already have excellent rates of production and stockpiles, and the West seems to be building capacity in India's private sector as well. We are just missing certain types of weapons; long range subsonic, supersonic, hypersonic CMs and long range conventional BMs, all 600-1500 km. We are pretty good everywhere else. The IAF needs another set of long range ADS like the S-400.
Our rocket artillery is lacking, our ammunition is lacking, we don't have subsonic cruise missiles, stand off munitions.