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vstol Jockey said:
@AbRaj, if UNSC brings a resolution with majority against another member, that member can't use its veto. So if four UNSC members vote to throw china out of UNSC, China's veto will have no effect and it will be fait accompli. UNGC after that will be just a passover.
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I think you are wrong on this.

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vstol Jockey said:
Yes, But who can bribe whom against India? do you know our market size and only member which can be bribed is Russia. Will they vote against India.
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Have you read the rejection of Taiwan’s application to be included in the meeting, by WHO ? Despite all the backing by US , Australia, Japan and probably most EU countries. China successfully scuttled their attempt.

UK, Russia can be easily bribed while given good price/deal, US too can be bught by China. IMO 1.1trillion $ debt writeoff will be a pretty tempting offer. US has very bad record of abondening their allies at very bad times. Ghani can attest it.
 
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BlackOpsIndia said:
Are we prepared?

With all that chest beating we forget China is a nation of 135 billion people, almost 5 times our economy and militarily too is improving a lot. We fortunately well defended by Army and Geography so they may not win but to think we will some how bring China down is not reality.

We are not there yet, we need to keep improving and reduce the gap to have a real shot. Premature ejaculation wont be a nice sight.
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We would not be alone in this quest, sir.
Almost whole would be with us. More so the biggest military power US. And when we take internal rifts in PRC into account then I have all the reasons to believe that we could cutsize the PRC.
AbRaj said:
Have you read the rejection of Taiwan’s application to be included in the meeting, by WHO ? Despite all the backing by US , Australia, Japan and probably most EU countries. China successfully scuttled their attempt.

UK, Russia can be easily bribed while given good price/deal, US too can be bught by China. IMO 1.1trillion $ debt writeoff will be a pretty tempting offer. US has very bad record of abondening their allies at very bad times. Ghani can attest it.
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Taiwan itself postponed it's application.
I doubt it has more to do with the military readiness of ' like minded nations '.
 
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If US and Europe and Japan are unable to get Taiwan admitted into WHO
Then it means that they are psychologically and Financially not prepared for a conflict with China
 
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Arsalan123 said:
I still believe that we can overturn things this time .I feel that policy makers has changed their policy and this time, india might see unusual circumstances. everyone is singing the song of friendship. Two friends, always together. we sail together, we train together, we fly together! A Friendship Higher than the Heights of Himalayas and deeper than the depths of Arabian Sea.


you have to cross the border first. seize all wmds. This looks good only in written form. reality is totally different.
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Pakistan’s internal report indicts China for corruption in CPEC power sector

Report claims government-to-government deals signed under CPEC unduly favoured Chinese firms.
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Friendship higher than Himalaya!!!!!!
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
If US and Europe and Japan are unable to get Taiwan admitted into WHO
Then it means that they are psychologically and Financially not prepared for a conflict with China
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Yes sir, they are not.
At present time their nation is in lockdown hence all of their industries are closed. Therefore they postponed the vote for the time when their whole nation will be open and industries would be working.
Winning modern wars require robust industrial base so it all checks.
 
Arsalan123 said:
We are low in numbers. You are bigger army. Just think about us as a much bigger army like China. We would have eaten you alive by now hahahaha.
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In 65, you folks had amassed a tank fleet of over 850 including 547 M 47 and 48 Pattons (thanks to Uncle SAM) whereas we had only 188 Centurion MkVIIs. So you guys had us beat already 3 to 1 in terms of armor but we all know what the end result was. So no, you would still eat grass even if hypothetically you could amass an army as impressive as that of PRC.
 
Jaymax said:
@Falcon - how do you read it given the excited state of PAF in the last few days. Are these two connected in the most obvious way - Pak fearing an Indian Attack and running to China.

And also - how long can PAF sustain these sorties before maintenance cycles and spare availability becomes an issue?
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Chinese actions are not new. Have happened in 2015/16 also, when they had similarly attempted to create an issue there. A particular Garhwal Rifles unit there did a good job and 'persuaded' them to stand down. There was some rumor of a firing incident too. Not sure about that though. So, I would not necessarily read both of them in the same right.

As for the heightened PAF activity, it has to do with changeover of troops as I mentioned earlier and also, they are expecting some kind of strike for Handwara, which was too public an incident. at present rate, they should be fine for another two weeks of intensive flying before they need to curtail (IMO).
 
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Falcon said:
It will Balkanize. That creates a major power vacuum with weak states & a thriving fundamentalistic society. Instead of reducing our costs, we will increase them, because either we will have to physically occupy them to stabilize them a la US in Iraq (with high costs and nearly 0 chance of stability) or we will have to see militant groups gain traction within the poor fundamentalistic society and they divert this large pool to us in Kashmir over Jihad. This is the question that we do not have an answer to. How to reduce our costs.
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There is a way to deal with that , post balkanisation

Thing is I don't want to post about it in public because I think that is being already being attempted , the groundwork, very small steps.

If the enemy is able to suspect your real goals at any point of time before actual end game , then your planning is shiit and not worth the effort.
 
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hellbent said:
There is a way to deal with that , post balkanisation

Thing is I don't want to post about it in public because I think that is being already being attempted , the groundwork, very small steps.

If the enemy is able to suspect your real goals at any point of time before actual end game , then your planning is shiit and not worth the effort.
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Why are certain things underplayed and why certain things are allowed in public domain?

Its a fine balance between what needs to be said and what needs to be hidden.
 
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@Falcon I would appreciate if you could shed some light on change in approach and attitude of PAF aviators over these many decades. What difference you can visualize when you compare current generation with the one who fought 65 and 71.

What I have seen among the IAF aviators is calmness and professionalism rather than being jingoistic. Would like to have your take on your fellow IAF mates current and previous generations and same for the adversary in the west.

Thanks in advance.
 
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I have heard quite a buzz on forum which should not be named on JY 27 radar. Can some one let us know what is the capability of this equipment and how much threat this is for out existing and future IAF fleet.
 
drunken-monk said:
I have heard quite a buzz on forum which should not be named on JY 27 radar. Can some one let us know what is the capability of this equipment and how much threat this is for out existing and future IAF fleet.
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It's a VHF early warning radar. longer range poor resolution, can detect stealth plane but can't provide firing solution. susceptible to jamming. IAF airborne EW system can counter it easily.
 
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drunken-monk said:
@Falcon I would appreciate if you could shed some light on change in approach and attitude of PAF aviators over these many decades. What difference you can visualize when you compare current generation with the one who fought 65 and 71.
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There is no dearth of professionalism on either side. That should be very clear to all. You have your share of preposterous lads too though, on both sides again

drunken-monk said:
What I have seen among the IAF aviators is calmness and professionalism rather than being jingoistic.
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Jingoism was always there between the two rival forces. Unfortunately, the penetration of mass media and social media has led to grandstanding and overhyping by unconcerned people. That is what is more predominant now. A pressure, but natural, comes on forces to 'play to the gallery' then. Not exactly a great idea, but hey, you adapt to the scenario you have to play in.
 
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