Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

Your brain will turn to jelly. Reading the click bait nonsense they post

What he said there is misleading.

'Cause by default you need to provide enough numbers for training first. Then comes the operational flying.

The only real answer is if they mention the number of flight hours the F-35s are actually flying.

In any case, I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to the fact that the F-35 is yet to be declared fully operational. It's also why the USAF hasn't yet achieved the peak of 72 jets a year either. RAAF shouldn't have gone beyond 1 squadron by today.
 
So the indigenous European project to develop their own 5th and 6th gen aircraft will be further delayed after F35 entry in German air force?
We could join the ngf to be honest. We could also use the scaf tech on amca. And scaf seems to be a heavy long range fighter unlike the amca. But we might still have to buy the su-57 who knows.
 
We could join the ngf to be honest. We could also use the scaf tech on amca. And scaf seems to be a heavy long range fighter unlike the amca. But we might still have to buy the su-57 who knows.

But one of the companies involved in FCAS , indra sistemas has only 49% freehold , and 17% held by US firms. I am not sure if there are any boundations on them in sharing tech
 
BREAKING :
March 16 (Reuters) - The Pentagon will request 61 F-35 stealth warplanes from Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) in its next budget, 33 fewer than previously planned, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter.

Lockheed Martin and the Pentagon did not immediately respond to Reuters requests for comment.

Shares of the weapons maker, whose biggest customer is the U.S. government, were down 1.1% before the bell.

The F-35 is one of the world's most advanced fighter aircraft and is considered a highly sensitive export, sold only to the United States' closest allies.

Reuters reported last month that President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military. read more

The budget is expected to benefit the biggest U.S. defense contractors, including Lockheed, Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N) and General Dynamics Corp .
 
BREAKING :
March 16 (Reuters) - The Pentagon will request 61 F-35 stealth warplanes from Lockheed Martin Corp (LMT.N) in its next budget, 33 fewer than previously planned, Bloomberg News reported on Wednesday, citing people familiar with the matter.

Lockheed Martin and the Pentagon did not immediately respond to Reuters requests for comment.

Shares of the weapons maker, whose biggest customer is the U.S. government, were down 1.1% before the bell.

The F-35 is one of the world's most advanced fighter aircraft and is considered a highly sensitive export, sold only to the United States' closest allies.

Reuters reported last month that President Joe Biden is expected to ask Congress for a defense budget exceeding $770 billion for the next fiscal year as the Pentagon seeks to modernize the military. read more

The budget is expected to benefit the biggest U.S. defense contractors, including Lockheed, Northrop Grumman Corp (NOC.N) and General Dynamics Corp .
Are they making up the numbers by inducting 4.5 Gen Aircraft like F-16 / F-15s ? What explains this stab in the back to LM & USAF , sweetie ? @WHOHE

Shares of the weapons maker, whose biggest customer is the U.S. government, were down 1.1% before the bell.
 
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Probably going to Germany instead.
Yes, after all the threat of Russian invasion of Germany is imminent & Germany either can't accelerate the manufacturing of the Eurofighter or doesn't want to have anything to do with it. Great advertisement for the Eurofighter btw.

Besides no better way of rubbing it in Dassault & France - Look we've ze 5th Gen fighter now. Maybe we can discuss ze 6th Gen fighter some time later.

I guess, this time too, the French would have to go it alone.
 
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Yes, after all the threat of Russian invasion of Germany is imminent & Germany either can't accelerate the manufacturing of the Eurofighter or doesn't want to have anything to do with it. Great advertisement for the Eurofighter btw.

Besides no better way of rubbing it in Dassault & France - Look we've ze 5th Gen fighter now. Maybe we can discuss ze 6th Gen fighter some time later.

I guess, this time too, the French would have to go it alone.
I think the problem is much more related to the new engine and the very risky roadmap to adapt the old F-35 to the new engines (PW and GE) with no more reservations due to the work in 2015 to reduce the weight of the F-35 using less titanium and more steel.
I thing that pentagone has a major problem and takes a high risk to lack fighters when geopolitical risks are going bigger.
 
We could join the ngf to be honest.

We have no need to though. The French are better off on their own, they should get an increase in their defence budget as well. But I think politics will prevail.

We could also use the scaf tech on amca. And scaf seems to be a heavy long range fighter unlike the amca.

We are gonna use as little foreign tech as possible in our most important programs. It's why our first 3 SSNs will be 95% indigenous, and a little more on the next 3. AMCA's goal will also be 95%+ in terms of indigenisation. It's the same with drones, we want all of them to be near 100%, if not 100%.

Since the war began, indigenisation has received top priority. I believe there have been three high level meetings with the PM himself since Jan on the topic, two of them after the war began.

But we might still have to buy the su-57 who knows.

If we are able to get 100% ToT for the airframe and engine of the MKI for the cost of 2 Su-57 squadrons (plus ToT costs of course), then it will be worth the effort.
 
There was never such a project. There was just a German attempt at stealing French technology.

Will it help though? By the time said technology is transferred, France will be a generation ahead. It's no different from the ToT we get. So it's not going to help Germany in any meaningful way. AFAIK, all the partners are responsible for their own work.
 

F-35s have encountered J-20s over East China Sea: USAF general​


A top US Air Force (USAF) general says that Lockheed Martin F-35s have had at least one encounter with Chengdu J-20s, and that the Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft has a key role in long-range air-to-air kill chains.

USAF General Kenneth Wilsbach, Commander, Pacific Air Forces did not, however, divulge when the F-35/J-20 encounter took place, or if there have been more than one. He also touched on the role of the new Chinese fighter.

“It’s a bit early to say what they intend to do with the J-20, so really all we’ve seen it do is air superiority,” he says.

“But we notice that they are flying it pretty well. We recently had – I wouldn’t call it an engagement – where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we’re relatively impressed with the command and control associated with the J-20.”

Wilsbach made the remarks during a discussion posted on the YouTube channel of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

“We’re seeing relatively professional flying and it’s still too early to tell exactly what they intend to do with [the J-20] – whether it’s going to be more like an F-35 that’s capable of doing many, many missions or more like an F-22 that is primarily an air superiority fighter that has an air-to-ground capability.”

Wilsbach also touched on the KJ-500, which in recent years has emerged as China’s key AEW&C platform.

Powered by four turboprops, the KJ-500 is based on the Y-9 tactical transport. The aircraft carries a three-panel active electronically scanned array radar in a fixed radome above the fuselage. This is understood to provide 360° radar coverage.

“The KJ-500 plays a significant role in some of their capability for long range fires,” says Wilsbach.

“Some of their very long range air-to-air missiles are aided by that KJ-500. Being able to interrupt that kill chain is something that interests me greatly.”

China’s PL-15 long range air-to-air missile is understood to have a range in excess of 107nm (200km). The radar-guided weapon is carried by types such as the Chengdu J-10C, Shenyang J-11B, J-15 and J-16, Islamabad’s Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Block 3, and the J-20.

Wilsbach’s remarks hint that the KJ-500 may identify and assign targets for Chinese fighters, which can then launch the active radar homing PL-15 from great stand-off distances.
 
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F-35s have encountered J-20s over East China Sea: USAF general​


A top US Air Force (USAF) general says that Lockheed Martin F-35s have had at least one encounter with Chengdu J-20s, and that the Shaanxi KJ-500 airborne early warning and control (AEW&C) aircraft has a key role in long-range air-to-air kill chains.

USAF General Kenneth Wilsbach, Commander, Pacific Air Forces did not, however, divulge when the F-35/J-20 encounter took place, or if there have been more than one. He also touched on the role of the new Chinese fighter.

“It’s a bit early to say what they intend to do with the J-20, so really all we’ve seen it do is air superiority,” he says.

“But we notice that they are flying it pretty well. We recently had – I wouldn’t call it an engagement – where we got relatively close to the J-20s along with our F-35s in the East China Sea, and we’re relatively impressed with the command and control associated with the J-20.”

Wilsbach made the remarks during a discussion posted on the YouTube channel of the Mitchell Institute for Aerospace Studies.

“We’re seeing relatively professional flying and it’s still too early to tell exactly what they intend to do with [the J-20] – whether it’s going to be more like an F-35 that’s capable of doing many, many missions or more like an F-22 that is primarily an air superiority fighter that has an air-to-ground capability.”

Wilsbach also touched on the KJ-500, which in recent years has emerged as China’s key AEW&C platform.

Powered by four turboprops, the KJ-500 is based on the Y-9 tactical transport. The aircraft carries a three-panel active electronically scanned array radar in a fixed radome above the fuselage. This is understood to provide 360° radar coverage.

“The KJ-500 plays a significant role in some of their capability for long range fires,” says Wilsbach.

“Some of their very long range air-to-air missiles are aided by that KJ-500. Being able to interrupt that kill chain is something that interests me greatly.”

China’s PL-15 long range air-to-air missile is understood to have a range in excess of 107nm (200km). The radar-guided weapon is carried by types such as the Chengdu J-10C, Shenyang J-11B, J-15 and J-16, Islamabad’s Pakistan Aeronautical Complex JF-17 Block 3, and the J-20.

Wilsbach’s remarks hint that the KJ-500 may identify and assign targets for Chinese fighters, which can then launch the active radar homing PL-15 from great stand-off distances.
Oh golly!! The USAF has spoken & validated the J-20. What more does the PLAAF need now that benediction has been conferred?

Now what we get from sweetie over several pages & months is predictable. F-35 at the head of the pack followed by J-20 a long distance behind & then comes the teens followed by a full stop.

Why, you ask? Silly you, Gen Wisbach has spoken. He's the new son of God replacing Hostage & Bogdan & his word the new gospel.
 
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I think the problem is much more related to the new engine and the very risky roadmap to adapt the old F-35 to the new engines (PW and GE) with no more reservations due to the work in 2015 to reduce the weight of the F-35 using less titanium and more steel.
I thing that pentagone has a major problem and takes a high risk to lack fighters when geopolitical risks are going bigger.
Do you have anything to support your musings? Or do you just make it up as you go?
 
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What he said there is misleading.

'Cause by default you need to provide enough numbers for training first. Then comes the operational flying.

The only real answer is if they mention the number of flight hours the F-35s are actually flying.

In any case, I wasn't referring to that. I was referring to the fact that the F-35 is yet to be declared fully operational. It's also why the USAF hasn't yet achieved the peak of 72 jets a year either. RAAF shouldn't have gone beyond 1 squadron by today.
The flight hours are available. we fly the F-35 more hours per plane than our super hornet. Our F-35 are IOC and will be FOC next year. I think you mean the US full rate production with final testing.
 
Do you have anything to support your musings? Or do you just make it up as you go?
Yes I have :

Pentagon Cuts Its Request for Lockheed’s F-35s by 35%​

  • Defense Department to seek 61 in next budget instead of 94
  • Fighter is flying over Eastern Europe despite software issues


The Pentagon will request 61 F-35s in its next budget, 33 fewer of the stealth jets from Lockheed Martin Corp. than previously planned, according to people familiar with the spending blueprint.
The U.S. Defense Department had planned to fund 94 of the fighters in fiscal 2023, up from the 85 in this year’s budget, according to the most recent “Selected Acquisition Report” on its costliest program.

Lockheed tumbled 6.1% to $421.34, the steepest decline since Oct. 26.
The proposed reduction for the F-35 may be the most controversial procurement item in a national security budget request that’s expected to top $770 billion for the year that begins Oct. 1.
The F-35 is currently being deployed to Eastern Europe in response to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. Six F-35s from the Air Forces 34th Fighter Squadron are flying “air policing” missions from Estonia and Romania. German Defense Minister Christine Lambrecht announced Monday that Germany would buy 35 of the warplanes.

But the proposed slowdown in purchases may raise questions among lawmakers, Lockheed investors and overseas customers about a lessening of the U.S. commitment to a program projected to cost $398 billion in development and acquisition plus an additional $1.2 trillion to operate and maintain the fleet over 66 years. The people familiar with the budget plan asked not to be identified in advance of the budget release in coming weeks.

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The rationale for the reduction won’t be officially explained until the proposed Pentagon budget is made public. But the request comes as negotiations with Bethesda, Maryland-based Lockheed over the next F-35 contract -- for about 400 planes -- are going slower than anticipated. And F-35s remain hobbled by flawed execution of a crucial upgrade of their software and hardware capabilities that’s estimated to cost $14 billion.

Boeing’s F-15EX​


Along with the proposed F-35 reduction, the Air Force will request 24 non-stealthy F-15EX jets built by Boeing Co., up from 14 planned in the fiscal 2021 budget. The EX model carries more ordnance than the F-35 and is estimated to be cheaper to fly. Still, the service plans to purchase many more F-35s than EX jets.

Asked about the cutback in planned F-35 purchases, Laura Seal, spokeswoman for the Defense Department’s F-35 program office, said the budget request can be discussed “once it is delivered and released, but not before.” Spokespersons for the Air Force, the largest customer for F-35s, and the Navy made similar comments.
The Air Force will request 33 F-35As instead of the 48 planned, the Navy will seek 13 of its version instead of 26 and the Marine Corps will request 15 rather than 20.

The Boeing F-15EX jet.
Source: Boeing Co.
The F-35’s “Block 4” software and hardware upgrade is currently being installed on deployed jets even though it’s “immature, deficient and insufficiently tested,” according to an assessment by the Pentagon testing office released in January. Aircraft operators “identified deficiencies in weapons, fusion, communications and navigation, cybersecurity and targeting processes that required software modification and additional time and resources, which caused delays,” it said.
The aircraft flying missions now, including those in Europe, are described as capable by Pentagon officials, however. “We understand the threats that the F-35 is going up against today,” Lieutenant General Eric Fick, who heads the F-35 program office, told reporters this month. “We understand the threats largely propagated throughout Europe, and those were the threats that the airplane was developed to counter.”

Earlier: Lockheed’s F-35s Get a Flawed $14 Billion Software Upgrade
A person familiar with the Air Force’s rationale for purchasing fewer planes said it shouldn’t be seen as stepping back from the service’s long-stated goal to buy 1,763 F-35s. Instead, the person said, it’s a matter of slowing purchases until the full Block 4 capability can be delivered on new jets in order to minimize the cost to retrofit them.
In addition, the F-35 is at least 14 months from starting and completing a much-delayed combat simulation to test its performance against the most advanced Russian and Chinese air defense and aircraft threats it faces now and are likely in the future. The simulated sorties were to take place in 2017, then 2020 and are now planned for sometime between June and September of 2023, Fick told reporters this month.