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Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
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The opposite.
Everything can be seen by VHF radars, but they are big and easily destroyed.
But when it comes to SWIR, the heat generated from the Rafale is much less than modern 5th gen jets today.
The number varied from 20:1 or 15:1, so actually slightly less. But that was not my point so I didn't delve too much in it.
Actually some sites reported 144:1 while some reported 144:0 kill ratio for Raptor, much better than F-35.
Dude, uninformed opinion? I never claim any thing without proof. Since you ask for it here it is:
Source: Export Ready? The F-22
So much so for people claiming F-35 as the next big thing, lol. 15:1 or 20:1 is no where near 144:0.
F-22>> F-35. Period.
Common sense definitely helps.
The lower the thrust rating of an engine, the lesser the heat produced. And IR reduction was part of the Rafale's design from the start.
The French use 2 air streams, one of it is released into the exhaust to cool it.
Don't give up your day job. you are funny.Common sense definitely helps.
The lower the thrust rating of an engine, the lesser the heat produced. And IR reduction was part of the Rafale's design from the start.
The French use 2 air streams, one of it is released into the exhaust to cool it.
You didn't see my other post?
"The larger B2 and I would think the B21, is actually harder to detect. Physics is funny. Everything can be detected. It's just a matter at what range and can you target it.."
Those are images from air shows. Which jet do you think is more detectable from longer range by just looking at those images?
This has been done a 100 times....google it...Anything can be seen up close.
Modern QWIP based IRST would detect both F-22 and Rafale from quite far away. But then, only Rafale has got an IRST while F-22?? Nothing, lol.
Flankers and Rafafles better hope it's not a cloudy day when trying to detect an F-22.
No wonder the frogs can spin so much BS here. this is kindy for dummies 101. An IR picture of a plane taking off, at a few hundred feet, proves everything.
Last I heard, Raptor supercruises at 35-40k+ feet. At that altitude, QWIP IRST is stealth plane's biggest enemy. Raptor would need to fly low and slow, below crowd cover to reduce the detection range by IRST. But that would be quite oxymoron for it, me thinks.
Is it compulsory for you to always insult the French people by calling them "frogs"? What if they start to call you "convict", then what?
French are proud people, they have designed a very good plane like Rafale and they are passionate about it. Yes, they do make some exaggerated claims, but kindly address and criticize their opinion/points without insulting a country and ethnicity, please. You're an intelligent poster, hence refrain from using ad hominem.
@Ashwin kindly take note.
You do know the F22 will see the Rafale and flanker first by far? Using IRS-T to find a fighter is useless it's like trying to find a plane with a hollow straw.
Well that's all they have which is sad really.
It's not insulting in Australia. Are they really that sensitive about frogs? I suppose I could use tadpole.
What is cool with stealth airplane is that they use their fuel to cool everything in. At the end of the mission when there's no more fuel or quite so, they are like a phare, glowing like the sun.
ANd during an airshow any fighter have only half their volume with fuel ...
IR is what make f-35 stealth a joke.
ANd during an airshow any fighter have only half their volume with fuel ...
IR is what make f-35 stealth a joke.
Wow tadpole, you actually got one thing right. The rest is wrong, if you want to google statements about 8 years ago. The F-35 has better 'stealth' than the F-22. given the f-22 is better in the x-band. That leaves IR and search. It's not hard to google the f-35 IR coatings
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If IRST is so useless, then why USAF is planning to put a stealthy IRST pod on the Raptor? Why does F-35 have EOTS?
Modern IRST is not old analogue systems of the past. They can look far, search and track 100s of targets simultaneously.
I posted an account of a Pakistani F-16 pilot who had trained with Chinese J-10C and he categorically said that J-10C can fully attack passively using its IRST:
Link: Chinese J-10C is good at sneak attacks, but there are many problems – Defence View
French consider Rafale's OSF as important as RBE2-AA if not more. As far as our Flanker? Well, just within few years all our Flankers would be equipped with Dual Band QWIP IRST. They will spot VLO fighters from far and swat 'em away.