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So European money is going into Russian economy, hundreds of billions worth, whereas the tens of billions or so of our money is going into the war? Is this an example of why they say Westerners are generally bad at maths?
Do you have comprehension problems or something? Indian import of Russian crude is now higher than all of Europe's combined, including Turkey. 959k barrels/day is ~$80m/day or ~$30bn/year, all going to funding the aggressor state that's trying to annex another country.


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This war has a great impact on France. The general interest for France is : no war in Europe.
One of the first victim of this, is France. Every time there was a war in Europe and especially with Russia it always had a bad endig. For France.


Macron was very bad at this. France should have pull out of NATO. NATO lead France to wars that are against our interests. We must keep our strategic independence.

Sorry for the off-topic.

about F35: The program follow its roadmap as best as it can and I feel the US is already thinking about the next program and ASAP forget F35 as a bad dream. It is not a great achievement like the F16 was, the US can't be good each time. Nah, it will be better next !
If you're in the EU then you have an interest in defending the borders of the EU, which means keeping Russia away from them by either defeating them in Ukraine, or holding them in Ukraine indefinitely.
 
Russia is a european nation also.
EU interests is partnering with Russia and India so that it will balance US and China power.
France is rudely impacted by this war. France was among the first investors in Russia.
This remembers me the same situation with Iran : France had great industrial interests (eg: Peugeot factory ) in Iran before the war.

Germany is also hugely suffering from this situation. Germany's main problem now is energy prices powering its industry.

Finally the origin of all this mess is NATO and in fact the US. The idea of the US was weakening Russia so that it could be easier to handle the china challenge. But this is a disaster for Europe. The solution is : change EU's role or it will split. France and Germany have to talk. But interests of the two are so different it will not succeed.
 
When I was writing the same thing in Russia-Ukraine war thread, these people always blamed the Indian perspective of this war. Now I've been validated by a European guy spilling the truth @BMD @Innominate @RASALGHUL @Hydra @A Person

Finally the origin of all this mess is NATO and in fact the US. The idea of the US was weakening Russia so that it could be easier to handle the china challenge. But this is a disaster for Europe. The solution is : change EU's role or it will split. France and Germany have to talk. But interests of the two are so different it will not succeed.
 
When I was writing the same thing in Russia-Ukraine war thread, these people always blamed the Indian perspective of this war. Now I've been validated by a European guy spilling the truth @BMD @Innominate @RASALGHUL @Hydra @A Person
It's far worse. The Americans have played only one card and they have essentially made Russia a pariah state while concretely vassalising all of Europe except for Serbia and Russia. Even Serbia has changed its tune since it might buy the rafales. The Russians are doomed to become a junior partner of China. The Americans are now Energy independent. So they are no more at the "mercy" of gulf sheikhs which is the entire reason the Saudis have hatched an escape plan. America has never been stronger than at this moment in its entire history.
 
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That was a time when a small team of people could design and build something. Today, you need thousands of people just to design and test something.
I'm confident in a real war scenario all things are going faster.
See in how many times JDAM are integrated on russian ukrainian jets (AMRAAM next ?). In normal times several years would have been necessary.
 
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Do you have comprehension problems or something? Indian import of Russian crude is now higher than all of Europe's combined, including Turkey. 959k barrels/day is ~$80m/day or ~$30bn/year, all going to funding the aggressor state that's trying to annex another country.


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That's what I said. All your money went into the war effort. Now all our money in the coming future will go into peace and rebuilding and reconstruction of all the devastated regions. So we are funding two different things.

As I said, if you really didn't want to fund the war, the EU should have stopped oil and gas imports immediately, the same day as the invasion. Rather you decided to fund the invasion.
 
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I'm confident in a real war scenario all things are going faster.
See in how many times JDAM are integrated on russian ukrainian jets (AMRAAM next ?). In normal times several years would have been necessary.

You can scale up integration and production of existing stuff, all you need to do is bring more workers in. But R&D cannot be scaled up 'cause all the main tasks are handled by only a few people. R&D travels as fast as the slowest team.
 
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That's what I said. All your money went into the war effort. Now all our money in the coming future will go into peace and rebuilding and reconstruction of all the devastated regions. So we are funding two different things.
Nope, it was edited afterwards, you originally said millions. The total US and EU funds given to Ukraine don't amount to $100bn/year. Packages are agreed, but are not spent all at once, but over several years. I have already posted a graph showing this earlier in the thread.

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Seems you're getting real now though:

As I said, if you really didn't want to fund the war, the EU should have stopped oil and gas imports immediately, the same day as the invasion. Rather you decided to fund the invasion.
Arrangements cannot be made overnight, JFC you show know this, you've spent 76 years trying to fix your economy. The fact is it's done now though. There's a difference between importing what you need, and increasing imports 14-fold.

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You can scale up integration and production of existing stuff, all you need to do is bring more workers in. But R&D cannot be scaled up 'cause all the main tasks are handled by only a few people. R&D travels as fast as the slowest team.
sure not.
In a war time you remove all the safety measures and take risks, even in R&D.
See how the tanks and planes evolved in 5 years during ww2. Never seen such acceleration since.
 
Nope, it was edited afterwards, you originally said millions. The total US and EU funds given to Ukraine don't amount to $100bn/year. Packages are agreed, but are not spent all at once, but over several years. I have already posted a graph showing this earlier in the thread.

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No, I originally said $10B, and then edited out the number 'cause I felt it was wrong. "Tens of billions" was correct though, versus the EU's "hundreds of billions".


That's 'cause the discount is below the cap. So it's a good idea to market it that way. What really counts is what happens to prices are the war is over and the Chinese economy gains steam. Until then, we are fine with cheaper oil.

Arrangements cannot be made overnight, JFC you show know this, you've spent 76 years trying to fix your economy. The fact is it's done now though. There's a difference between importing what you need, and increasing imports 14-fold.

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A lot of that is exported. Just so you know, one of the refineries in India is owned by Russia, and they are selling themselves oil, and is counted as an import too.

Rosneft owns a 49.13% stake in Nayara.

Nayara operates a 400,000 barrels per day Vadinar refinery...


And quite a bit of refined petroleum from Russia is exported to the EU. So you guys continue to fund the war in Ukraine, albeit indirectly.

This comes as Indian refiners snap up discounted Russian crude oil shunned by the EU and other Western powers, with analysts pointing to a clear possibility of products refined from Russian barrels reaching the EU’s markets via India.
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Funny how that works. Instead of buying straightaway from Russia, the EU is buying the same petroleum via India.
 
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Nope, it was edited afterwards, you originally said millions. The total US and EU funds given to Ukraine don't amount to $100bn/year. Packages are agreed, but are not spent all at once, but over several years. I have already posted a graph showing this earlier in the thread.

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All your aid is in the form of Lend Lease Paddy.

It was not until 2006, for example, that Britain fully repaid its lend-lease debts to the United States from World War II.


I mean the notion that you're doing a favor to Ukraine will win you cheers at O'Shea's . Do you think the atmosphere here reminds you of O'Shea's in the least?


India will not breach the sanctions by the Western countries on Russia including the price cap of $60 imposed on purchases of oil from Moscow, according to people familiar with the matter.


Remember what did I tell you some time back about Sunak hailing from a business oriented caste who's family has been doing exactly that for generations over centuries much like the Jewish Diamentaires & financiers . Well just as he's trying his best using all his financial acumen & skills accumulated over generations to bail you out of shit creek , Modi comes from a similar though much more humble background of entrepreneurs.

By agreeing to a 60 USD per barrel oil cap Modi throws the ball back into Moscow's court so that they can't arbitrarily raise rates yet we're free to import as much as we can , refine it & sell it to you guys at a handsome profit .

Of course being the kind who'd sell your mothers wives daughters & sisters to the same guy for a price & then complain to the whole world you got a bad a deal we expect you to bad mouth us .

So we get to mollify you by agreeing to the price cap showing we've acquiesced to your demands , squeeze the Russians & get a good deal for our people . Thanks for your intervention . You see Paddyfication of the west has it's share of benefits . For us . It's all good , as RST would put it .

This is called 5 D chess Paddy . I don't expect the English or the Scotsmen to understand this much less the Paddys .You're totally out of contention & out of your depths here which is why I asked you to confine yourself to technical issues , films , songs , lousy jokes & memes & recipe threads out here .

Geopolitics Economics & foreign affairs including geostrategies are much too complex phenomena to be understood by menials .

Face it , will you , you just aren't wired that way , Paddy . Sorry , that's all nature's doing just as the same nature endowed kids from an underprivileged background in India enough intelligence to qualify for MENSA & Providence ensured they were identified & guided by MENSA , the very same nature enabled you enough intelligence & the physique to be good menials.

Arrangements cannot be made overnight, JFC you show know this, you've spent 76 years trying to fix your economy. The fact is it's done now though. There's a difference between importing what you need, and increasing imports 14-fold.

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With a population of ~5 million if RoI the land of milk & honey is facing such issues in spite of converting their li'l isle into a tax haven , if you think handling a nation of 1.4 billion with all our complexities is as simple as handling RoI then that's another piece of evidence why you ought to take my advice & restrict your participation here to select threads . I've posted the list of threads you should be active in .
 
sure not.
In a war time you remove all the safety measures and take risks, even in R&D.
See how the tanks and planes evolved in 5 years during ww2. Never seen such acceleration since.

You can't compare WW2 with modern tech today.

Today everything is software-driven, and it takes time to test software. WW2 was all mechanical, very easy to test.