Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

There is freedom of expression and @Hydra is free to conceive a plan for future of IAF. For me I only support import of two planes, Rafale and FGFA(the latter being JV between India/Russia). Rest we need to focus on our desi jets AMCA, MK2, TEDBF and drones.
99% of your posts are either rubbish or fanboi imagination or vomiting Russian propoganda. This forum is allowing that also.
 
F-35 is for this decade up until 2035. We all know the F-35 has been slow when it comes to upgrades. Bad timing for a 2025 Taiwan fight perhaps only the first or 2nd subsection complete of block 4, by 2027 most airplanes should get a new radar, most of the block 4 subsections will be complete. Then the stuff added on for future dominance is 2028+ like engine and stuff. So the timing does suggest urgency in block 4 early subsections.

Worst case is it won't be ready in time for the conflict. It's unfortunate how badly they screwed up.

AMCA can be accelerated.

Sadly, no. It's like saying the F-35 can be accelerated. We can accelerate production when it's ready, but development requires an adequate amount of gestation time.

For the Navy, I think it's easiest to build up tech and dominance compared to airforce and army.

That's only possible if you already have the tech. France can solve this problem by throwing money at it, they already have carrier tech and SSNs. But in India's case, unless someone hands over tech, we gotta build it all up from scratch. We have SSN tech, but carrier tech (nuke propulsion) is gonna take 10-15 years. Post that, whether we want a 3-carrier navy or a 12-carrier navy is just subject to funds.

All of this is just a matter of money. Can India hit 10 trillion by 2030? Who knows.

Our economy is large enough to divert money into military production when necessary. During the 60 and 70s, we spent 5.5% of our GDP on defence compared to today's 1.4%. If war happens over Taiwan, the Indian govt has enough leeway to immediately increase military spending, either by increasing debt or postponing civilian construction.
 
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If we think that is good. In a peer war. They will bring out the black projects, that no one knows about. There has been a stated requirement for new missiles.

Everybody has black projects, but it's all relative. For example, the US has no answer to the Russian Zircon. And if the Russians end up gifting the Chinese with 100-200 of these missiles, a lot of USN ships are gone.
 
Aim-260 is months away from entering service and already US is testing another AA missile
Not a bad idea this movable nose cone ! It removes the need of fins (good for RCS) and/or vectored thrust (less weight, less technical problems)
Sadly, no. It's like saying the F-35 can be accelerated. We can accelerate production when it's ready, but development requires an adequate amount of gestation time.
The best fighter of ww2, P51, was studied in 100 days (OK, the engine was taken on the shelf).

In war time all can be accelerated.
 
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F-35 is for this decade up until 2035. We all know the F-35 has been slow when it comes to upgrades. Bad timing for a 2025 Taiwan fight perhaps only the first or 2nd subsection complete of block 4, by 2027 most airplanes should get a new radar, most of the block 4 subsections will be complete. Then the stuff added on for future dominance is 2028+ like engine and stuff. So the timing does suggest urgency in block 4 early subsections.

AMCA can be accelerated. For the Navy, I think it's easiest to build up tech and dominance compared to airforce and army.

All of this is just a matter of money. Can India hit 10 trillion by 2030? Who knows.
It is not the only problem. The disastrous avaibility due to the poor cool and power management are the main problems.
If more cool or / and energy are needed for the block4 then most of the subsections are non starters.
 
Yes it's very sad that the US is a third world actor. :)
I wouldn't be so belligerent pops. A couple of HE ICBMs going off in Darwin , Perth etc & it's more than likely half your population soil their pants with the Green Party & the other usual suspects demanding you smoke the peace pipe with China .

After all shifty eyed John Howard entered the Iraq War with great fanfare & exited lock stock & barrel in a year or 2 . This isn't the pre WW-2 generation pops who fought unquestioningly without any expectations except the thought of doing their duty . You know that better than us.
 
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The best fighter of ww2, P51, was studied in 100 days (OK, the engine was taken on the shelf).

In war time all can be accelerated.

That was a time when a small team of people could design and build something. Today, you need thousands of people just to design and test something.
 
For those that don't want to understand. 5th gen is a system of systems and don't rely on a single platform. It is the total system that is 5th gen. France is years behind and can't help. They are even well behind Australia. The QUAD and a possible inclusion in AUKUS is where some tech could come from.
This is just delusional. The Aussies are a good military force but they aren't anywhere near the French or British.
 
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ASRAAM Block 6 standard, developed under the ASRAAM Sustainment programme, is expected to enter service on the Typhoon in 2022, and the F-35 in 2024. It has new and updated sub-systems, built-in cooling and a new British-built seeker with more pixels. As it uses no US-made components, it could be exported without ITAR restrictions.

Why does that matter? Well, according to this source, a previous attempt to sell the missile to Saudi Arabia was scuttled because of objections from Washington. The previous missile variant’s seeker is made in America, thus requiring export approval from the United States.

This is now the most advanced IIR seeker on any AAM!
 
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Worst case is it won't be ready in time for the conflict. It's unfortunate how badly they screwed up.
Yes.
Sadly, no. It's like saying the F-35 can be accelerated. We can accelerate production when it's ready, but development requires an adequate amount of gestation time.
Assistance is good with tech transfer. The French haven't build a stealth aircraft yet.
That's only possible if you already have the tech. France can solve this problem by throwing money at it, they already have carrier tech and SSNs. But in India's case, unless someone hands over tech, we gotta build it all up from scratch. We have SSN tech, but carrier tech (nuke propulsion) is gonna take 10-15 years. Post that, whether we want a 3-carrier navy or a 12-carrier navy is just subject to funds.
That's the main reason I think superhornet is better, but I also recognize the Rafale is a better plane. Cooperation with the US Navy is essential, while the French have 0 interest in actually dealing with China.

How can France be an all weather friend if they don't have the capability or desire to help you when it counts most?

Our economy is large enough to divert money into military production when necessary. During the 60 and 70s, we spent 5.5% of our GDP on defence compared to today's 1.4%. If war happens over Taiwan, the Indian govt has enough leeway to immediately increase military spending, either by increasing debt or postponing civilian construction.

I'm hoping for 10 trillion by 2030. 4% spending 400 billion USD for spending is nice.
 
That's the main reason I think superhornet is better, but I also recognize the Rafale is a better plane. Cooperation with the US Navy is essential, while the French have 0 interest in actually dealing with China.

How can France be an all weather friend if they don't have the capability or desire to help you when it counts most?

From their perspective, they don't want to make a new powerful enemy. And they do not have the capability to protect their overseas territories in the Pacific. So why antagonise an enemy they cannot fight, they believe.

I'm hoping for 10 trillion by 2030. 4% spending 400 billion USD for spending is nice.

We actually don't need that much. Getting to $100B + inflation will do the trick.

We only need 600k troops on the Chinese border and some 400-450 high-end FAs, with the rest, about 500, being less advanced, like the LCA. As for the navy, in order to dominate the IOR, we basically need to be Royal Navy + French navy. All this needs a smaller budget than $100B. We can easily get to that point within 5-7 years from about $50B today.

And we are already getting there. We are at 500k troops. Our high-end FAs are expected to come in via MRFA and AMCA, that's about 350-400 jets, leaving room for some 50-100 Su-57/NGAD as emergency procurement, and some 300 LCAs. The navy's getting SSNs along with 2 more carriers and about 100-150 sufficiently advanced fighters. And we plan to add 4 large LHDs, possibly a second marine corps class division to add to an existing one, which takes care of our island territories in the IOR.

What we are struggling with is a slow start due to a lower economic base and a smaller than usual defence budget. But that should get sorted over the next 5 years, so pretty much everything listed above should get contracted by then. Once implemented, we will become a great power after 2035.

Anything beyond that takes us outside the IOR and in contention for superpower status, we haven't planned that far ahead yet. Steps on way too many toes, that's way too big for our britches this decade. Any further naval expansion will have to be considered around the mid-2030s, but I don't expect the defence budget to even go beyond 1.5% unless the US becomes an enemy. To deal with China alone, we only need to match their Southern Fleet.
 
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If we think that is good. In a peer war. They will bring out the black projects, that no one knows about. There has been a stated requirement for new missiles.
Tr-3b's are said to be viewed in Russia so it wouldn't be surprising. One thing is for sure we might see some alien tech soon in the next 4-5 years.