If I remember well Uk is responsible to qualify and adapt Meteor on F-35 and it won't be ready before 2026.
Yes probably.
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No Meteors so far for F-35. But being a stealth plane it can come much closer to a target than 4.5 gen ones and can fire AIM-120D within its NEZ of around 30-40kms. That should suffice for it. Though what it lacks is at least 6 AMRAAMS (which they are implementing).
By the time Meteor is integrated, AIM-260 already would be integrated. There are rumours of it being dual-pulse and dual seeker(like Stunner). That combined with F-35s' stealth is going to be a lethal combination. Maybe even more so than Meteor.
True, It's also true of India and australia, that have similar budgets. I was putting up Pakistan as a comparison to India. they don't have much. There are border skirmishes, from European lines on a map and the bomb. What is more, is that China moving in. A proxy war with china in pakistan?
I'm more interested in the potential of Cuda.
Imagine 2 long range missiles(Meteor or AIM-260) with 8 Aim120 D range Cuda missiles. 10 total missiles internal in A2A.
Instant game changer no? Pew pew pew.
Their hatred of India and Hindus in particular makes them our number 1 enemy. The reason they are in shambles today is also the above. Whilst we moved towards economic reforms they couldn't due to their dream of raising the Islamic flag over the Red Fort.
Of course, being an Aussie and an outsider you won't be able to understand the exact Indo-Pak relationship nuances.
(Bad Intention + Capability) of China is way more than Pakistan. it's not even close.
Agreed, I have an overview and what my indian friends tell me. they don't put it in your terms. I don't have the intricacies of it. You have military superiority over pakistan. It would take china siding with them to make a difference.
where will the china US proxy war be? India or pacific isl, or both?
Oh fool of that not knoweth.I don't care whether Growlers are more effective or F-35s. The fact of the matter is, what I said is backed by an ex USAF officer and Think-Tank that to break Chinese A2/AD in future, America needs over 200 B-21s and NGAD(my opinion) because they have the required endurance to hit deep inside China. F-35 won't suffice in that scenario.
FFS first read the report and then quote my post
Ex USAF and think tank is all you got? Logic and reality is not your strong suite no wonder you're delusional about the MKI's capability.
Most if not all of China's vital airbases and high value targets are on the east coast /eastern part of Chyna which is well within range of JDAM F-35's, JSOW F-35's, SDB F-35's and just about every cruise missile in the US and Taiwan inventory.
That you would be dumb enough to believe the BS that it would take 200 B-21's shows your foolishness for not recognizing puffing for more money. Not long ago it was said it would take 8 F-35's to do what 4 F-22's can do in the air to air realm then the Swiss report came out about the F-35's air to air capabilities and why it was chosen by far over Rafale.
Every chicom naval base and airbase that will be used for a Taiwan attack will not last long.
Think tanks are all unclassified. They have the same info as we do. The xUSAF? I don't know how connected he was. in any case, what he would know above public info, is classified and he couldn't share it with the think tank.
The classified exercise of the DoD. That give the real odds and plans are never released.
The classified exercise of the DoD. That give the real odds and plans are never released.
F-35/5th gen vs Rafale or really any 4.5 jet. F-35 flies to within 100km of the Rafale and decides to signal his wingman to fire a missile. A drone from AIM260 distance away fires on the Rafale and it's all over. Only except to this rule is su-57.
It's also just much much much much much much much much much much worse in larger groups of 5th gen combined with systems.
It's also just much much much much much much much much much much worse in larger groups of 5th gen combined with systems.
Damn
Once again FFS did you read the report? During war with the US, China will try to distribute its key assests much deeper. F-35s don't have the reach to hurt them there.
And you're talking as if China doesn't have missiles or stealth fighters. They can also hurt US bases likewise. China is going to prove US's biggest and most technological advance foe.
The ultimate test of US supremacy. If you lose, it's over. You win and US hegemony continues over the world unabated.
Su-57 is not 4.5 gen. And no, it's not so easy. 4++ gen fighters with proper tactics and training would remain effective against 5th gen one. The biggest advantage of stealth fighters is their ability to reduce SAM envelope and survivability inside enemy territory.
F-35 has got only stealth to its aid. Rafale is an excellent fighter when it gets caught with its pants down.
With GaN based radars, GaN based EW, QWIP and in future QDIP based IRST now coming online even stealth planes can be countered and vanquished.
Stealth doesn't mean invisibility. With proper sensors, even stealth goes bust.
Does Taiwan have an effective ABM system sweetie ? No ? Then it's screwed. That's the long & short of it unless the US + Japan take up the responsibility of deploying the Aegis class there to intercept the barrages of missiles China'd unleash on Taiwan.
All your other arguments on how deep will Taiwan strike & the damage it'd do on China's bases are immaterial . At the end of the day sans US direct involvement in the war Taiwan's history. The only argument that can be had is how long can Taiwan hold out.
There'd be no hegemon post war as whoever wins will win a Pyrrhic Victory . If the US wins of which there's a good likelihood it's entire USN , USAF & USMC would be utterly devasted in prosecuting it's war in defense of Taiwan. Ditto for Japan including the damages to their nation which in case of the US wouldn't be as devastating.
I'm counting on Russia rebuilding it's military strength with a vengeance post the Ukraine conflict & endeavour to complete it's unfinished agenda in Europe once the war for Taiwan breaks out .
As far as we're concerned thanks to the shenanigans of the IAF & GoI , the IA will have to fight a severe war of attrition with our vital infrastructure & industries 300-400 kms from the LAC being devasted . Also applicable to strategic installations in our heartland . In short we'd be reduced to playing the role China played in the Indo Pacific front in WW-2 which is to absorb the punches & blunt Chinese offensive power .
Damn
Once again FFS did you read the report? During war with the US, China will try to distribute its key assests much deeper. F-35s don't have the reach to hurt them there.
And you're talking as if China doesn't have missiles or stealth fighters. They can also hurt US bases likewise. China is going to prove US's biggest and most technological advance foe.
The ultimate test of US supremacy. If you lose, it's over. You win and US hegemony continues over the world unabated.
Strongly agree with this line of reasoning.
Yes, no point in discussing Taiwan without USA/Japan. It's baked in at this point. China will launch all out offensive hitting US and Japan assets to obtain an advantage.
This is some meh logic. In a war where lets just say it's status quo without decisive victory, but a long attritional slog. It's in China's area. Their GDP takes a much bigger hit than USA who also takes a big hit. Reputation wise and political stability are shattered in China forever.
Of course, a loss from USA would mean hegemonic China as they would dominate Asia and USA would lose all power projection in Pacific for good.
There's no meh logic here, the only meh is in your reading of the situation.
It'd be an air sea campaign before the land element comes into being. When do the US & allies plan to come into the war ? At the very onset? That would essentially mean being based in Taiwan which in itself would act as casus belli for the Chinese .
If you rule that out, it means the US sticks to it's front line bases in Japan & RoK & perhaps Philippines where it sits it out reacting only when the Chinese make their move.
Which is why they hold the aces. The USN would finally learn what it's like to engage with a peer in it's own territory like WW-2, lessons it's long forgotten. Ditto for the USAF & USMC. And ditto for PLAAF & PLAN plus their expeditionary forces.
Both sink in the interim.
If they lose the air sea campaign, Xi & China both are history. Centrifugal forces take over in China especially since Xi & his coterie have made too many enemies. States essentially mimic the science of metallurgy in it's composition . China is hard & brittle. More so under Xi's leadership.
A win for China would also see China in a state of extreme weakness. Ditto for the US & Japan. For perspective look at Europe post WW-2. How many of the European nations were in a position to wage war immediately post WW-2? Their savior was the US except for China & Russia.
You take out the US & the Marshall Plan & try to envisage how much time Europe would take to get to it's feet? For perspective, who'd play the role of the US post this conflict? Europe? Let's see how long they or rather their economy lasts while this war in Ukraine is on?
After all Russia lost the war in the first week or fortnite of hostilities being initiated when they failed to take Kiev. Ukraine has been winning it since then.
I remember, another time, that LM itself said that to be 5th gen a plane has to be : VLO, Supercruising, with sensor fusion, affordable and at least agile as a F16.
So far only F22 is a 5th gen according to her majesty LM.
J-20 ? we don't know.
F35 is out for 2 assets : agility and supercruise.
The difference between your WW2 analogy is the ending of it had 2 communist powers China and Russia. In this timeline even if China and USA are crippled. India/Europe is enough to lead the world.
I guess I just disagree with your Russia analysis. I don't think it's possible for them to challenge Europe, especially if the war turns even worse in Ukraine, which it probably will.
That's the advantage of having likeminded allies I guess.
What's that got to do with the way the war progresses or ends? You're bringing up a completely different & irrelevant topic here .
India is & will depend on external investments to fuel it's growth for the near to mid term future. An United Europe is not in our best interests. Let's see in what state does Europe emerge from the current crisis.
On their own they may not. China'd aid them. Watch out for how the remainder of this decade pans out. Alliances will crystallise & solidify . The war in Ukraine long turned into a war of attrition. Eventually both sides will tire, will have to sit down & reach a truce which I believe will last till the war commences in the Indo Pacific. That interim period or the inter war years will see Russia do what Hitler achieved with Germany with respect to rearmament after he seized power. Ditto for the European component of NATO . Bye bye economy.
Ukraine & the Anglo led block aren't like minded even if they're allies. They just share common interests which is the foundation of every alliance - opportunistic, need based or otherwise
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Only about half of the Pentagon’s fleet of F-35 fighter jets are considered mission-capable, well below the target of 65% and a state of readiness the program manager terms “unacceptable.”
As of February, the monthly average rate of mission-capable jets in the US’s fleet of more than 540 F-35s was 53.1%, according to Air Force Lieutenant General Michael Schmidt, the program manager. That means they can fly at least some of their required missions, such as combat, show-of-force flights, training and testing.
The percentage of planes capable of flying all their missions — the so-called full mission capable rate — was less than 30%, Schmidt said in written testimony prepared for a Wednesday hearing of the House Armed Service Committee’s aviation subcommittee.
“This is unacceptable and maximizing readiness is my top priority,” Schmidt said in his prepared remarks. Schmidt said his goal is to increase readiness rates by at least 10% in the next 12 months.
“Readiness challenges remain, as indicated in multiple Government Accountability Office findings,” he said, according to the remarks.
The readiness rates marked a drop from 2020, when the fleet’s average full mission-capable rate stood at about 39%, according to the GAO. The partial capability rate was 69% in fiscal year 2020. The availability rate for jets assigned to combat missions stood by the end of fiscal 2022 at 65%, according to the Defense Department’s operational test office.
It’s not clear if last month’s readiness rates represent temporary dip or the beginning of a long-term trend. Schmidt’s statement doesn’t spell out the reasons for the drop but past culprits have been a lack of spare parts as well as parts and engine components breaking more frequently than anticipated.
Other problems include long depot repair times as well as Pratt & Whitney engine power modules needing repair or replacement faster than expected.
Schmidt’s plan to fix the problem will focus on addressing unspecified “top degraders” of readiness by gathering program personnel, international users, Lockheed Martin Corp, Pratt & Whitney and their subcontractors every two weeks.
In a preview of its annual report on the F-35, the GAO also found:
* Lockheed Martin delivered 50% of aircraft late last year, in what it said was the worst result in six years. A preliminary analysis of Raytheon Technologies Corp’s Pratt and Whitney 2022 performance “indicate that the contractor again delivered nearly all engines late.”
* The “Power and Thermal Management System” designed by a Lockheed Martin subcontractor that provides cooling for the engine “is under-performing, resulting in reduced engine life” so the Pentagon determined it must be upgraded.
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As of February, the monthly average rate of mission-capable jets in the US’s fleet of more than 540 F-35s was 53.1%, according to Air Force Lieutenant General Michael Schmidt, the program manager. That means they can fly at least some of their required missions, such as combat, show-of-force flights, training and testing.
The percentage of planes capable of flying all their missions — the so-called full mission capable rate — was less than 30%, Schmidt said in written testimony prepared for a Wednesday hearing of the House Armed Service Committee’s aviation subcommittee.
“This is unacceptable and maximizing readiness is my top priority,” Schmidt said in his prepared remarks. Schmidt said his goal is to increase readiness rates by at least 10% in the next 12 months.
“Readiness challenges remain, as indicated in multiple Government Accountability Office findings,” he said, according to the remarks.
The readiness rates marked a drop from 2020, when the fleet’s average full mission-capable rate stood at about 39%, according to the GAO. The partial capability rate was 69% in fiscal year 2020. The availability rate for jets assigned to combat missions stood by the end of fiscal 2022 at 65%, according to the Defense Department’s operational test office.
It’s not clear if last month’s readiness rates represent temporary dip or the beginning of a long-term trend. Schmidt’s statement doesn’t spell out the reasons for the drop but past culprits have been a lack of spare parts as well as parts and engine components breaking more frequently than anticipated.
Other problems include long depot repair times as well as Pratt & Whitney engine power modules needing repair or replacement faster than expected.
Schmidt’s plan to fix the problem will focus on addressing unspecified “top degraders” of readiness by gathering program personnel, international users, Lockheed Martin Corp, Pratt & Whitney and their subcontractors every two weeks.
In a preview of its annual report on the F-35, the GAO also found:
* Lockheed Martin delivered 50% of aircraft late last year, in what it said was the worst result in six years. A preliminary analysis of Raytheon Technologies Corp’s Pratt and Whitney 2022 performance “indicate that the contractor again delivered nearly all engines late.”
* The “Power and Thermal Management System” designed by a Lockheed Martin subcontractor that provides cooling for the engine “is under-performing, resulting in reduced engine life” so the Pentagon determined it must be upgraded.