What's with Turkey wanting F-35 or Eurofighter Typhoon. What about their Super Duper KAAN Plane? What happened to it? Why would someone want to buy a 4.5gen plane now after their so called KAAN first flight took place already?
Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion
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KAAN is 10 years from an operationnal status, and since then it will rely on US engines, so under the USA hands.
Eurofighter seems the sole solution for them to upgrade their air force. But it is seen as a stop gap solution, this is why only 40 are on the agenda.
Turkey seeking way back into F-35 program | eKathimerini.com
Turkey is seeking a solution to re-enter the American F-35 fighter jet program after being kicked out over its acquisition of the Russian-made S-400 missile system.www.ekathimerini.com
Turkey is seeking a solution to re-enter the American F-35 fighter jet program after being kicked out over its acquisition of the Russian-made S-400 missile system. To this end, Ankara is pushing for the inclusion of an amendment in the 2025 US defense budget (NDAA) that would allow it to avoid sanctions over the S-400.
Ankara has been pursuing an intensive behind-the-scenes-diplomatic push in recent months to find a formula that will allow it to purchase F-35 jets from the US, changing the goals of its defense strategy. According to sources, its has entirely reversed its stance on the S-400 and now appears eager to make any concessions to satisfy Washington, and thus submit a formal request to the US State Department for the fifth-generation fighters.
It's an Erdogan problem, not an S-400 problem.
Hopefully you are right, or Taiwan's in trouble.
US will defend Taiwan with its full might. Don't think China still has the ability to defeat USA. However, things could change in the next few years.
As far as Raptor is concerned, the dual AIRST pods are designed for even longer detection of VLO targets than Legion Pods/IRST 21 and with the help of dual pods it would triangulate the distance to target absolutely passively. There are also stealthy supersonic drop tanks which allow it to supercruise without compromising its range. With new GaN radar, its firepower shall increase substantially.
Looking at their F-35 and NGAD woes, F-22 MLU is their only answer to J-20. Let's see. I just hope that F-35 Block 4 is on schedule and they select their NGAD contractor ASAP too.
The F-22s will be outnumbered by J-20s with their new engines.
Out of 5 combat squadrons, the Americans need 2 squadrons in Alaska. This leaves only 3 to fight the Chinese over Taiwan versus some 10-15 J-20 squadrons. Even if they bring in another from Alaska, the total frontage between Japan and the Philippines is massive.
I won't be surprised if NGAD is scrapped. They have come to the realization that it will be surpassed by unmanned CCAs by 2040 or so, and it's far too expensive for a less capable capability.
Of course, F-22's biggest weakness, its numbers or lack of it. Thanks to Robert Gates
That's why F-35 Block 4 is so important to fend off PLA/AF/N.
Nah. They won't scrap it because they have got intel on Chinese 6th gen fighter. They're just re-thinking its design objectives. Hopefully a contract should be awarded soon. Looks like LM will win another big ticket defense item as I don't see Boeing competing with them.
CCAs are going to be a reality in the next decade, but don't think they can substitute for manned jets, ever.
Of course, F-22's biggest weakness, its numbers or lack of it. Thanks to Robert Gates
That's why F-35 Block 4 is so important to fend off PLA/AF/N.
Nah. They won't scrap it because they have got intel on Chinese 6th gen fighter. They're just re-thinking its design objectives. Hopefully a contract should be awarded soon. Looks like LM will win another big ticket defense item as I don't see Boeing competing with them.
CCAs are going to be a reality in the next decade, but don't think they can substitute for manned jets, ever.
The F-35's gonna be crucial, but it may not be ready in time for a 2027 bout.
LM's NGAD design is apparently simpler than Boeing's, so it's possible USAF may choose cost. But they are also claiming they have gone back to the drawing board in terms of whether the design will meet expectations or something new is necessary. Apparently new tech's become available that the current NGAD will not possess.
104 kill vs 0 combat loss in air,that's the combat history of F15. Now you can imagine what F22 will be capable of.
That was against older generation aircraft flown by poorly trained pilots and supported by inadequately capable air forces. Syria was pretty much outmatched by 1-2 generations.
And the Americans developed a lot of new capabilities after both the Allies and Israel lost a lot of aircraft in Vietnam and Egypt resply. The US lost 12500 aircraft in Vietnam, and Israel lost 200-300 aircraft in Egypt. And when the next war came along a decade later, they had modernized whereas the Syrians were a generation behind the Soviet Union, and 2 behind the US/Israel.
The Iraqis were 2 generations behind the USAF in 1991.
Similarly in India, when the MKI was introduced, Mig-29 and M2000 pilots did not even know how they were shot down during exercises. It took 10+ years of effort via MLUs to put them on par with the MKI.
Otoh, China and the US are pretty much on par, or will soon be in a few years.
It was already said about the earlier block.
The whole program is built on sand (the newer block is always based on unreliable former one).
Sure.
the initial target of 750 units was sci fi, but a realistic 350 may have been formidable.
As per some reports, the first combat ready F-35 with TR-3 upgrade is going to be ready by Spring 2025. LM is already delivering F-35 with "robust" TR-3 upgrade which is now being accepted by USAF. So finally the F-35 is getting where it should be after years of delays.
Absolutely.
This is the XXX promise by LM.
All the previous ones have not been honored. Why this one?
U.S. To Track Moving Air And Ground Targets Via Space By 2030, But Aircraft Will Still Play A Part
The U.S. Space Force has laid out plans for layered moving-target surveillance capabilities, not only in orbit. The U.S. Space Force has laid out plans for layered moving-target surveillance capabilities, not only in orbit.www.twz.com
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Gotta say, the hexagons remind me of something:
If StarLink type of system is militarised with SAR & IR sensors then it might render RF & IR stealth useless. Fossil fuel burning cannot be hidden.
This reminds me of satellite "Grazer-1" & its constellation from 1995 movie "Under Siege-2: Dark Territory"
Japan to Test F-35B Aircraft with JS Kaga off San Diego - Naval News
The JMSDF helicopter carrier JS Kaga will conduct flight operations with F-35B Lightning II aircraft in California from Oct 5 to Nov 18.
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There is actually a rumour about about US particle beam weapon. It was mentioned in 2019, then they said it was cancelled, then there was talk of demonstrating a classified weapon, which never happened.
Budget Docs Show Pentagon Aims To Loft Particle Beam Anti-Missile Weapon Into Space In Four Years
After three decades, the Pentagon is betting big on their belief that a dream of the Star Wars initiative may now be closer to a practical concept.
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Exclusive: Pentagon Poised To Unveil, Demonstrate Classified Space Weapon - Breaking Defense
The push to declassify an existing space weapon is being spearheaded by Gen. John Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
There is actually a rumour about about US particle beam weapon. It was mentioned in 2019, then they said it was cancelled, then there was talk of demonstrating a classified weapon, which never happened.
Budget Docs Show Pentagon Aims To Loft Particle Beam Anti-Missile Weapon Into Space In Four Years
After three decades, the Pentagon is betting big on their belief that a dream of the Star Wars initiative may now be closer to a practical concept.Exclusive: Pentagon Poised To Unveil, Demonstrate Classified Space Weapon - Breaking Defense
The push to declassify an existing space weapon is being spearheaded by Gen. John Hyten, the vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.breakingdefense.com
Since the STAR-WARS/SDI days there were speculations about DEW Sats like Zenith-Star. There were many secret STS missions also. When they tested the YAL-1 then it is possible that at least 1 Sat may have been tested.
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A particle beam is more associated with BEAR for the SDI days.Since the STAR-WARS/SDI days there were speculations about DEW Sats like Zenith-Star. There were many secret STS missions also. When they tested the YAL-1 then it is possible that at least 1 Sat may have been tested.
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Beam Weapons - Atomic Rockets
What's particularly interesting is the ability of particle beams to fire deterium-tritium micro-pellets at 100km/s.
BTW,
- if 6gen jets will have DEW-CIWS,
- if 4gen jets are advertised with DEW pods,
- if DEW pods have actually been tested on helicopters & apparently fighter jets also,
- then 5gen jets will apparently be MLUed to have DEW.
But how?
I mean in F-22 if these stealthy pods are IRST+EW then where will DEW go?
And 1 of these pods on right wing is optical & the other on left wing is not.
- if 6gen jets will have DEW-CIWS,
- if 4gen jets are advertised with DEW pods,
- if DEW pods have actually been tested on helicopters & apparently fighter jets also,
- then 5gen jets will apparently be MLUed to have DEW.
But how?
I mean in F-22 if these stealthy pods are IRST+EW then where will DEW go?
And 1 of these pods on right wing is optical & the other on left wing is not.