Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning and F-22 'Raptor' : News & Discussion

In the case of Canada, Dassault (as AIrbus with EF2000) decided not to compete because unfair competition.....

and yet Saab entered and got quite far. surely the Rafale would have won being so superioer?
every time the Rafale doesn't win there is some excuse, and whenever it does win all the losses are convenently ignored. we have treaded this ground a hundred times already.

its pointless because you cannot even conceed any losses
It was the argument in Switzerland..... F-35 are so good that even only in simulators they are better than others ! (a big bull shit).

Except that the bill is not the one promised. 30 for the price of 36 plus some more money than intended when ordered.

Nice !!!

The Rafale lost. the Rafale lost to the F-35 in Switzerland. public knowledge vs French excuses.

Seems that :
They were very happy with Rafale during Sindoor,
They decided to purchase Rafale instead of SH18 despite its huge radar and best missiles (LOL).
Every day we are nearer a huge 114 Rafale indian order.
So.... missed !
you are still ignoring the initial controversy and cost overruns with your original bogus claim. The French people on this forum truly believe that people have no memories LOL

watch:
Seems that :
"They" were very happy with F-35 in various combats
"They" decided to purchase F-35 instead of Rafale despite its huge radar and best missiles (LOL).
Every day we are nearer another 100+ F-35 annual production
So.... missed !
your argument suck and are easily reversed which make them essentially meaningless. the point stands, that not all Rafale have been delivered as you originally claimed. You can't retroactively change history. The French cohort on this thread Truly think Indians are the others here are simpletons who don't see through obvious attempts to white wash history.
if you want to argue that so long as they are happy the cost overruns and delays are nullified, then the F-35 fanboys can say the same thing. LOL
 
it is delivered on time, on spec, on budget.
this was your original claim. The Indian experience invalidates this claim.

This is where the French cohort always gets itself into trouble. They will say 3 bad things about the F-35 that are true. But then they take it a little too far and say a 4th thing that is not true. This destroys their credibility. They also pick really stupid fights and then lose them, but this is just a French trait, and cannot be cured short of a massive eugenics program. Luckily, there are already large populations of non-French moving there now and the problem will be solved soon enough.

I don't know what it is about the French here but they simply cannot help themselves. Beating up on Lockheed and the F-35 program should be very easy, but they find a way to take it too far and muck it up. its spellbinding. Bon Plan is pretending the controversy in India never existed. Herciv tells us the Rafale and F-35 use inferior materials for their Canopies. Pickleoil doesn't understand how basic program reporting works, and claims there is a conspiracy and cover up. this is so easy. why lie? and why lie in such easily found ways?
how are the French so bad at this? are the French this gullible with each other and then think that everyone else must be as well?

Rafale is one of the most hidden, Where are the annual reviews? It's only when the upgrades are announced, we realise how terrible it was
This is correct. The French see conspiracy everywhere yet don't find it suspicious that Rafale shortfalls are never mentioned, and yet Uprgades are always needed-- including specifics demanded by India-- how strange!

The reason for this is not because the Rafale does not have problems, its is because France is in competition with Eurofighter and Gripen who are also in no hurry to share any shortfalls with their products lest the competition take advantage of them. the aircraft end up "inflated" basically. Women do this as well. They will not admit to any shortcomings because it will damage their social status, so they all basically agree to lie to keep up appearances. the Us reporting standards are obviously different. Its not that the F-35 does not have problems, because it does. However these problems are pubic knowledge while Rafales are hidden. This leads the French to great conspiracy when their favorite loses. it is a conspiracy, its just not the way they think it is. Dassault knows the Rafale has shortcomings but they will never broadcast them and the French government will never demand for them to be revealed publicly for reasons already mentioned.

The French routinely lie on this forum and also think that if something is not mentioned, then it must not exist, unless it is the F-35 in which cases there are problems even where non-exist, because the regular problems are not enough for them, so they have to invent more.