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The Americans won't offer us any real technology until we get into their orbit and buy and produce one of their legacy technologies. And with us buying Russian stuff it's a long time before the Americans offer us any real technology

Yep. They backed out of providing tech for the Javelin as well. They have no interest in giving us tech. They only want us to buy anything we want outright, as a dependency.
 
Yep. They backed out of providing tech for the Javelin as well. They have no interest in giving us tech. They only want us to buy anything we want outright, as a dependency.
I think Americans are open to sharing legacy tech like f-16 and Super-hornets. But they won't give us state of the art which is understandable. Our focus should on joint development with Americans in naval domain atleast.
 
I think Americans are open to sharing legacy tech like f-16 and Super-hornets. But they won't give us state of the art which is understandable. Our focus should on joint development with Americans in naval domain atleast.

They don't want to give us even their legacy tech. They don't want to give us anything. And making some airframe parts like wings and fuselage isn't tech, but that's all that they have offered for MRFA.
 
They don't want to give us even their legacy tech. They don't want to give us anything. And making some airframe parts like wings and fuselage isn't tech, but that's all that they have offered for MRFA.
We have to gain their confidence by buying their production lines. We can most probably license produce harpoons and hellfires initially for confidence gaining measures. Maybe.
 
We have to gain their confidence by buying their production lines. We can most probably license produce harpoons and hellfires initially for confidence gaining measures. Maybe.

If it's not the F-35, then producing any of the Teens is like producing the Nokia 3310 in this day and age. You don't gain anybody's confidence by building their most obsolete stuff, it's going to have to be their most cutting edge or bust. And they will never allow anyone to produce their weapons. Not that we need them anyway. Harpoon is also legacy tech, it's irrelevant.

They will offer the F-35 for production when the AMCA enters limited production.
 
The natural kick in the *censored* life gives them once they hit the workforce will take care of that. But it's gonna be funny to hear stories of soldiers debating gender fluidity in co-ed barracks during a war.

"no gender pro-nouns in foxholes" as the old saying goes
 
Meh, underestimate the snowflakes are your own peril. This generation is plenty smart and hardworking.

It's the older generation that elected Trump after all.

Although for the wrong reasons, the older generation had it right though. The leader of a nation is required to ensure the health, economic prosperity and security of the nation. Social issues would be the responsibility of the leaders of cities, counties and states. The Democrats suck at the former, and the former is where the future of America lies. Only the Republicans have the ability to take the hard decisions necessary.
 
Although for the wrong reasons, the older generation had it right though. The leader of a nation is required to ensure the health, economic prosperity and security of the nation. Social issues would be the responsibility of the leaders of cities, counties and states. The Democrats suck at the former, and the former is where the future of America lies. Only the Republicans have the ability to take the hard decisions necessary.

Republicans who are anti science, talk about jewish space lasers, and injecting bleech to cure covid is good for health and economic prosperity for sure.

Might I remind fiscal conservatives that the Republican party and Trump had the deficit pre covid at 1 trillion when it was 500 billion last year of Obama projected to reach 100 billion.

Trump was handed a good economy too.

Trump -100 President, Bush -10 President on a 10 scale.

If you elect trump as your standard you're probably wrong on the other issues too.
 
Republicans who are anti science, talk about jewish space lasers, and injecting bleech to cure covid is good for health and economic prosperity for sure.
I hate to tell you science has been politized, and if you want to take the most extreme examples from both sides, the "Pro science" party says that men can have babies and that they are "healthy at any size" and this is before we get into the fact that we have the "best science money can buy" and I assure you, its for sale. There are "monied interests" in science, to say the least. and its a little silly to think they have somehow operated outside of politics that seize everything in todays environment

the "anti science" thing is the biggest red herring I've ever seen, and it goes back to the creation vs evolution argument that divided the religious right and democrats decades ago, this is just the latest iteration of it, and its meant to take "Science" and politically ally it to only one side--and you fell for it. Even within the scientific community there is a massive debate about the notion of "settled science" and an authoritarian model that is readily seized by people with their own motives (politicians, people on forums who like soundbites and superiority), vs the idea that science is in constant evolution and constantly questioning what we believe to be true. (that is how we learn things like lobotomies, electro shock therapy, bloodletting, and other "completely scientific" ideas like the DSM IV saying being gay is a mental illness is actually not true)

being "anti science" is just another political rock to throw like being "racist" or "anti-semetic" or "socialist" in fact just bringing the stuff you did above doesn't tell me you are a serious person. You are a programmed person. you react to stimuli. you say the thing, you get the treat. go read a book or two, preferably about science.

I trusted the science completely when the world health organization sent that famous tweet that covid wasn't contagious in mid February 2020. I think that did a lot more damage than bleech and space lasers. but I like to make comparisons like that I was too busy "hugging a chinese person" to prove I was not a bigot.

I am also getting to see my first "multi racial" white supremacist's thanks to the completely objective pro-science progressive left that literally can no longer tell black from white.




Might I remind fiscal conservatives that the Republican party and Trump had the deficit pre covid at 1 trillion when it was 500 billion last year of Obama projected to reach 100 billion.

Trump was handed a good economy too.

covid happened, and every western economy has suffered, ust like most suffered with the housing meltdown. besides there hasn't been any "fiscal conservatives" that I have ever seen. GW massively expanded the government to fight the war on terror and Reagan before that expanded the military to get ivan. You are about 40 years late and that is before we get into the fact that governments of all kinds of types got pretty well hammered in 2020. they aren't fiscally conservative? no way. what gave it away? it was the trillions of dollars spent while not really cutting back the government wasn't it? be honest

Trump -100 President, Bush -10 President on a 10 scale.

I much prefer Trump over GW--WMDs in iraq did it for me. I know its a low standard to say "just please don't invent WMDS to invade and destabilize an entire region at the cost of tens of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, and US credibility for a generation" against all odd Trump did not do anything that resoundingly stupid. Trump is not even the worst president of my lifetime, let alone the 21st century. it is still amazing to me, that so many people don't seem to be capable of accessing their memory of times not even 20 years ago. Obama was such a hit they traded him in for Trump, but for some reason... no one can remember anything.

Generation snowflake would probably be pretty ok if wasn't for the woke hijacking of their little naïve brains with the woke warfare. they may make great soldiers as they are highly suggestable (maybe you are actually a woman) and easily manipulated. we can probably convince them that the Chinese have to be stopped because they are bad for the environment, and that bullets and shrapnel are just "social constructs" they don't have to worry about since they are good and "on the right side of history"


If you elect trump as your standard you're probably wrong on the other issues too.
I supposed that "logic" is as good as anything else in your post. you are consistent I'll give you that. well programmed. if we keep this up, "AI" will just be someone who likes to repeat what they read to other machines. can you drive a car?
 
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France and Russia were working with Iraq on opening oil. Not using the US petrodollar as the benchmark. It was an intolerable situation for the US. Heads must roll.

This information about Iraq's oil currency is censored by the U.S. media and the Bush administration as the truth could potentially curtail both investor and consumer confidence, reduce consumer borrowing/spending, create political pressure to form a new energy policy that slowly weans us off middle-eastern oil, and of course stop our march towards war in Iraq. This quasi `state secret' can be found on a Radio Free Europe article discussing Saddam's switch for his oil sales from dollars to the euros on Nov. 6, 2000:
 
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Republicans who are anti science, talk about jewish space lasers, and injecting bleech to cure covid is good for health and economic prosperity for sure.

Might I remind fiscal conservatives that the Republican party and Trump had the deficit pre covid at 1 trillion when it was 500 billion last year of Obama projected to reach 100 billion.

Trump was handed a good economy too.

Trump -100 President, Bush -10 President on a 10 scale.

If you elect trump as your standard you're probably wrong on the other issues too.

Covid ruined Trump's economy. But that isn't the point. People in the US have missed the forest for the trees. Short term economic woes are like the weather, and long term effects are like the climate. The president's job is to take care of the climate, not the weather. His job is to ensure America's hegemony, the monopoly of the USD, pressure other countries into favourable trade deals, ensure security of American investments globally etc. This is to ensure the long term viability of the American economy.

When Trump told the Middle East to reduce oil prices, their only answer was "Yes, sir!" It's the other way round when Biden is insisting on the same today.

With the rise of China and the radicalisation of Islam, we need more right wing to push back.

As for the politicisation of science, can't help it, there are too many imbeciles in the world. But nobody can really fight science. Science is not an opinion, it's inevitable.
 
Republicans who are anti science, talk about jewish space lasers, and injecting bleech to cure covid is good for health and economic prosperity for sure.

Might I remind fiscal conservatives that the Republican party and Trump had the deficit pre covid at 1 trillion when it was 500 billion last year of Obama projected to reach 100 billion.

Trump was handed a good economy too.

Trump -100 President, Bush -10 President on a 10 scale.

If you elect trump as your standard you're probably wrong on the other issues too.
Trump is overrated, there was no operational change on how American foreign policy worked, it's just western media vomit of their silicon valley overlords crying and their media being called fake news that showed Trump being worse than he was. He is what you expect from the typical American, whohe is a good representation of that. On ground nothing changed, with them backstabbing the Kurds in Syria and then Biden backstabbing the Afghans. If you think democrats are the good guys you are a bit delusional.
 
"Del Toro also said he hopes Congress will allow the Navy to stop buying F/A-18 Super Hornets so it can buy more F-35 Lightning IIs, which he said were better able to “meet the significantly increasing capabilities of the Chinese.”

In case people thought the F-35 politics circus only applied to internationally.
 
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"Del Toro also said he hopes Congress will allow the Navy to stop buying F/A-18 Super Hornets so it can buy more F-35 Lightning IIs, which he said were better able to “meet the significantly increasing capabilities of the Chinese.”

In case people thought the F-35 politics circus only applied to internationally.
Can USN Super Carriers operate F35A ? If not why ? ( apart from routine landing gear and other structural modifications etc)
I’m asking because compared to A, the B version with all of its Lift fan and low fuel , No gun etc appears as a dud to me.
And how can you even think of dodging a IR seeking WVRAAM with that 7Gs.
 
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Trump is overrated, there was no operational change on how American foreign policy worked, it's just western media vomit of their silicon valley overlords crying and their media being called fake news that showed Trump being worse than he was. He is what you expect from the typical American, whohe is a good representation of that. On ground nothing changed, with them backstabbing the Kurds in Syria and then Biden backstabbing the Afghans. If you think democrats are the good guys you are a bit delusional.
Those policies are institutional and cannot not be changed abruptly by one person. End of the day US will keep doing what its doing. US policy always has been smoke & mirrors.
 
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