Lok Sabha passes Citizenship Bill amidst Opposition outcry

Those seeking asylum are poor folk

Paying 25 lakhs for asylum , well poor don't have that.
they will come to india and receive the same third class treatment they got in their home country.

When Indians themselves are defaming India because Indians (Hindus)themselves treating eachother badly, that's obious. My point was different which you missed.
If lawyers (Hindus?) are the problem then introduce a bill to eliminate legal fees for those seeking asylum

Yes Hindus and Sikhs, add dalals to it and the list is on. And this does not happen online, the money is unaccounted. There is no record, even if you pay. Come on dude this is India. You don't have people's record, even though government knows who is who.
There will be several people with no papers. Instead of CAA, they should fortify the borders and speed up the judicial process

I repeat this is India, you can do that on paper but not in practical every one wants money. And that's the reality.
My own father does not have his birth certificate. We went to a local tahsildar to get it done, the moron (marathi brahmin) indirectly asks for a bribe

As I said it proves the point what I am saying above. :) What would the bill do? Nothing.
I am an Mechanical Engineer working for the power sector and my wife is a banker.
I am from Assam. she is from Delhi. Since 1993 I am resident of Delhi. Since 2016 we are in London. During the NRC exercise in Assam, we all were certified citizens of India, except my wife. She was born after 1971 and was required to produce documents related to her parents.
Her Dad is a 1963 electronics graduate from Jadavpur University and till 1980 was a lecturer in Army college Hyderabad.
In 1980 he joined the Department of electronics Govt of India and moved to Delhi. He expired at the age of 57 and was a Joint Secretary. After a couple of years her Mom expired at the age of 54. Its now more than 20 years. She doesn't have any documents relating to her parents.
So we approached Jadavpur University to certify that he was graduate of 1963. They did. We again took the matter with NRC Assam. Again denied. NRC authorities contention: how do we know that he was not a foreign student? We don't want to disclose our identity for certain reasons, but would appreciate if you would use this incident as to how NRC is devious and arbitrary

Buddy the MoHA already knows who is legal and who is illegal. They have the records before you have. NRC and CAA is to cut the incoming Muslim population and asylum seekers going abroad defaming India.
Also y'all should refrain from poking fun at the Parsis.
If hindus were as diligent and tight-knit, we would have been richer than all of Europe

I was the one who countered all the dhimmis wanabe Hindus here who are introverts, and sided with Parsi boy @vsdoc, ask him, and since then I have become anti national on this forum and many other. But I don't care! Ask any one here, I speak of expanding the territory but dhimmis here are in some own fantasy world. This is the state of all India.
 
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Paying 25 lakhs for asylum , well poor don't have that.

If they can afford 25 lakhs, they are rich and do not come to india. I do not know from where you quote that figure. If the lawyers are a problem, solve the problem. With the NRC, CAA these scoundrels will start taking bribes for people who need documents. Sir Dr Kalam would have NEVER allowed something like CAA. Instead of CAA, make the legal process free for those who need it. Anyways, the govt has failed on all fronts to steer the economy - the NRC/NAA is untimely and should have been rolled in after appropriate demographic and legal studies. If RSS is advising PMO - India will sink.
 
What are dhimmis?

Is it a Bangladeshi Hindu sub caste? Or a regional group?

Or a political party?

@screambowl

Cheers, Doc


non muslims living in a muslim ruled state with legal protection, jews parsis hindus we were all dhimmis in islamic political regime.

If they can afford 25 lakhs, they are rich and do not come to india. I do not know from where you quote that figure.

I have my sources

If the lawyers are a problem, solve the problem. With the NRC, CAA these scoundrels will start taking bribes for people who need documents.

This is the side effect. But now days bureaucracy is stricter so hope for the best!
It's not NRC CAA what people may doubt it#+s the babu sitting there looking and asking for docs.
 
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Got it.

Request you to not include Parsis though.

We were never subjugated ... not by an alien faith, nor psychologically.

Politically yes. Militarily yes.

The fact that we refuse to accept No 2 status to a billion Hindus on their own land should tell you something.

Sikhs follow Hindu law.

We do not.

Cheers, Doc


More important is whether Parsis in Pakistan would want to come to India? What would you suggest, is something going on? CAA is already enforced from today. I am sure you know this atleast. We would like to have them here in India. Have you guys arranged anything for them?
 
MoHA already knows who is legal and who is illegal. They have the records before you have. .

Who is giving you this information? Those same lawyers asking asylum seekers money? In India, you can make whatever documents you need and beat the system, if you have the money. If you really want to control the Muslim population, stop them from having 5-6 kids. The ones already in india are enough to multiply exponentially and skew the population - since muslims are your main concern.
 
@screambowl my apologies for missing your question on Pakistan Parsis.

Those Parsis who stayed back in Pakistan generally did so because they had big property and family businesses.

Very rich Parsis.

They will never have a problem linked to a Pakistani passport. And most of the youngsters have emigrated. Those remaining are usually the old.

Indian Parsis in contrast are more professionals. Than business owners.

So no Pakistani Parsi would come to India. Definitely not a BJP ruled India.

They would move to the West.

Cheers, Doc

Canada gives Long Term Visa for HALF a million Dollars

Tatas and Other Parsis can Finance Every Parsi
 
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Canada gives Long Term Visa for HALF a million Dollars

Tatas and Other Parsis can Finance Every Parsi
They can also open up Parsi colonies there. But who'd occupy them? Most bawas settling abroad get foreign spouses. They don't have any taboos on that unlike Indian Parsis who've yet to reconcile their differences. Also the international Parsi diaspora isn't exclusively Indian although the Indian pre dominance is there. You've quite a few Iranian Zoroastrians there too.
 
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This is going beyond control guys, not a semblance of maturity or decorum at display !!

Whatever has been commented should be a past from now on, any further personal remark would be considered as initiation of insult and no past precedence would justify it.

Please tag me or report for any such remark !!

@_Anonymous_ @vsdoc @nair @Ashwin @Milspec @STEPHEN COHEN
 
We dont start

@vsdoc hates Us -- " SANGHIS "

He goes on and on about All Negative and False things That he can Say about BJP and also brings in Iran , Parsis , Pakistan
Muslims , Conversions , Congress , Secularism --

All this makes for a Volatile and explosive Combination :ROFLMAO:

Do not have time to set up a court to argue who started and why. The end result is poor quality and senseless quarrels not indicative of maturity and stature of posters (at least claimed one).

Please report all such posts from now, as we are going to take very strict action going forward. And that include both sides !!
 
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What Pakistani Minorities In India Feel About Violent Protests By Indian Minorities Against CAA

by Swati Goel Sharma
Dec 30, 2019, 6:16 pm
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Meera, a resident of Pakistani Hindu camp in Adarsh Nagar, New Delhi, this week/Swati Goel Sharma

Snapshot :
  • “If we abuse the pradhan of Pakistan there, we will be shot at. Here, they are openly hurling abuses at [Narendra] Modi and Amit Shah,” a Pakistani Hindu resident in a camp in New Delhi told Swarajya in a recent visit.
Amid a maze of flyovers in Delhi's Adarsh Nagar, on a sprawling ground near Delhi Jal Board, is a cluster of shanties housing migrants from Pakistan. About 600 Hindus, who fled religious persecution, have been living here for about six years.

Their mud shanties don’t have power supply. They don’t get newspapers. Most, particularly the elders, anyway can’t read Hindi even though they can converse in it. Almost all residents hail from various districts of Pakistan’s Sindh province.

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A view of the Pakistani Hindu camp in Adarsh Nagar, New Delhi, this week.

They, however, have seen the videos of mobs burning down buses and other vehicles and pelting stones at the police in protest against the recently enacted legislation of The Citizenship (Amendment) Act, 2019 or the CAA.

The Act seeks to fast-track Indian citizenship to the minority (Hindu, Sikh, Parsi, Buddhist and Christian) immigrants from Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

The Act also seeks to amend the definition of illegal immigrants for people belonging to these faiths from these countries who have lived in India without documentation.

“I saw the videos on my son’s mobile phone. I don’t carry a phone myself. I saw what happened in Delhi and other areas that I don’t recognise by names. I saw vehicles being set on fire,” says Sonadas, a resident who, like others in the camp, entered India in 2013 with a Pakistani passport and a month-long pilgrim visa.

“This is actually worse than what we saw in Pakistan,” he says.

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Sonadas

“If we are getting citizenship, it’s because we are persecuted and have nowhere else to go. We need it,” he says.

Sonadas folds his hands in appeal to the rioters and says, “My message to all my brothers in India is that please try to understand that no Indian is being driven out. Only persecuted refugees are being given citizenship. That is all there is to it,” he says.

Jo Mussalman taaron ke upar se aaye hain, unhe bhi to nagrikta mil rahi hai. Abhi Jammu mein mili. Jo taaron ke neeche se aaye hain, wo to ghushpaithiye hi hain,” he says, and cites the example of a Pakistani Muslim woman, Khatija Parveen, who was recently granted citizenship.

Parveen had applied for citizenship in 2010 under the Citizenship Act, 1955 after marrying a resident of Jammu and Kashmir’s Poonch district.

“Damaging public property is not good. Please don’t do it. Please don’t take our country in a backward direction,” Sonadas says.

Sonadas says he knows that the anti-CAA protestors are largely Muslims. He also knows that the way he is a minority in Pakistan, Muslims are a minority in India. The difference, he says, is stark and is not limited to the numbers alone — while Muslims were about 14.4 per cent of the Indian population as per 2011 Census, Hindus are about 2 per cent of Pakistan’s population.

“If we abuse the pradhan of Pakistan there, we will be shot at. Here, they are openly hurling abuses at [Narendra] Modi and Amit Shah,” he says.

“If Hindus protest in this way in Pakistan, entire villages will be burnt down.”

Ek babaal se chhootkar aaye, doosra babaal chhootkar shuru ho gaya [We left one set of problems, another set of problems has begun],” he says.

Asked if he fears that the violent protests would make the government backtrack on the Act, Sonadas recites a couplet – “Raghukul reet sada chali aayi, pran jaayi par vachan na jaayi”.

“I believe in Modi. I believe he will not go back on his promise,” he says.

Sonadas’s neighbour Kodhandas nods in agreement.

Kodhandas says he doesn’t see the possibility of the Indian government giving in to the protesters. “Aise kaise sarkaar chalegi [how will the government function like this],” he asks.

He says Hindustan is not Pakistan and that “yahan Hinduon ki chalegi (Hindus will have their way here)”.

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Kodhandas

Kodhandas says he felt very bad after watching videos of the violent mobs.

Mussalmaano ka kya lena dena is bill se? Wo to yahan ke naagrik hain hi. Niklenge bhi to sirf ghushpaithiye. Hamein to lagta hai ghuspaithiye hi halla kar rahe hain [What’s Indian Muslims got to do with the citizenship bill? They are already citizens of this country. Only illegal immigrants will be driven out. I think it is these illegal immigrants who are indulging in rioting],” he says.

Kodhandas begins to narrate his experiences as a Hindu in Pakistan. “If we stop to eat at a hotel, they ask us to bring our own plates or pay for the plates as well. If we want to drink water from a public facility, they ask us to bring our own glass. This is how we are treated there.”

“We have been telling our stories for six years now. Why don’t they understand?” he says. “We had thought we would be welcomed in India.”

“Just why do they hate us so much,” he asks.

Another resident, Meera, is cleaning dal for dinner. The camp has no facility of cooking gas; women cook on earthen oven using wood as fuel. She has been listening in to the conversation.

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Aise hi janmabhoomi chhodkar nahi aaya jaata. Hum aaye hain to inke pet mein kyun dard ho raha hai [it’s not easy to leave one’s birthplace. If we have come, why are their stomachs hurting?],” she says.

“We have come to our country. It’s not like we went to Bangladesh. Where else do Hindus go?” she asks.

Meera is worried after the protests.

“I have been having nightmares ever since I saw the videos. We are living in fear. India is looking like Pakistan,” she says.

“We will not go back [to Pakistan]. It will be better if the government kills us here.”

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(Left) Dhanraj

Her husband Dhanraj, sipping on tea, says the family will commit suicide if the government sends them back.

“Either we will kill ourselves or someone should pour petrol over us and set us on fire,” he says.

Swati Goel Sharma is a senior editor at Swarajya. She tweets at @swati_gs.

What Pakistani Minorities In India Feel About Violent Protests By Indian Minorities Against CAA