Looking Through Broken Glass: Rajput Victories In Indian History

Depends on how you look at it. And your self esteem.

Choosing to live one one's own land as slaves for a thousand years.

Or moving to another and living on ones own terms as inferior to no one.

Cheers, Doc
Sure and spit on those who extended you that courtesy .Latch on to the right set of rulers , make you pile of cash and laugh at those natives under whose protection you survived and thrived . Jews are known to do that. Not Indian Jews though .Muslims too . Now we've another bedraggled misbegotten species exhibiting similar characteristics.
 
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Sure and spit on those who extended you that courtesy .Latch on to the right set of rulers , make you pile of cash and laugh at those natives under whose protection yih survived and thrived . Jews are known to do that. Not Indian Jews though .Muslims too . Now we've another bedraggled misbegotten species exhibiting similar characteristics.

Strong is the pain.

Tend it you must.

Cheers, Doc
 
Strong is the pain in you.

Treat it you must.

Cheers, Doc
What makes you think I'm pained , dickraa ?
My first Boss Soli Paymaster said - All Bawas are dickraas. Never take a dickraa seriously . Esp after They're 40 . And never after They're 70.

lying on his deathbed of cancer , a couple of years ago , he was massively tickled at the spat aapro Ratan was having with aapro Nusli & aapro Cyrus. They lived up to his ideal & behaved like dickraas should. He died a happy man .
 
What makes you think I'm pained , dickraa ?
My first Boss Soli Paymaster said - All Bawas are dickraas. Never take a dickraa seriously . Esp after They're 40 . And never after They're 70.

lying on his deathbed of cancer , a couple of years ago , he was massively tickled at the spat aapro Ratan was having with aapro Nusli & aapro Cyrus. They lived up to his ideal & behaved like dickraas should. He died a happy man .

You seem to be a bitter man.

I'm taking a side bet you are married to a bawi ....

In fact its been clear to me for some time now.

That makes you half brother. How can I hold anything against you?

Vent bro, vent.

Cheers, Doc
 
You seem to be a bitter man.

I'm taking a side bet you are married to a bawi ....

In fact its been clear to me for some time now.

That makes you half brother. How can I hold anything against you?

Vent bro, vent.

Cheers, Doc
No . Thank goodness .Never even came close to it.But I can understand where it's coming from .Keep psycho analysing dickraa.
 
No . Thank goodness .Never even came close to it.But I can understand where it's coming from .Keep psycho analysing dickraa.

In one of your unguarded moments you've agreed grudgingly that I was good.

I'm actually brilliant. Was always the go to guy for friends and chicks alike. Something about me makes people talk .....

Cheers, Doc
 
In one of your unguarded moments you've agreed grudgingly that I was good.

I'm actually brilliant. Was always the go to guy for friends and chicks alike. Something about me makes people talk .....

Cheers, Doc
What unguarded moment ?

Btw - you make a good salesman . You can yap a lot.
 
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Something about RAW and IB.

Cheers, Doc
RAW & IB ? Have you been drinking Nilgiri black again ? At 7:30 PM too ?

Anyway , chalo dickraa. Club time . Time to catch up on the latest gossip in the baug with dickraas and the rest over whisky. Toodles .
 
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I am more interested in what @Angel Eyes smokes.

Silent cheerleading with remarkable dedication.

Cheers, Doc

He probably learned from watching you fawn over Comrade Joe the Bengali Bonobo and Falcon on this thread; and GND elsewhere. You wrote the handbook on cheerleading.
 
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He probably learned from watching you fawn over Comrade Joe the Bengali Bonobo and Falcon on this thread; and GND elsewhere. You wrote the manual on cheerleading.
The thing is, if i proceeds to engage him , the mods are not going to like the language i will be using and i may end up getting banned from this "Defense Forum".

Hating and abusing everything Hindu and glorifying a downed race ,seriously how shameless can this bugger be , i wonder if even shiaite iranians have that much hate against us Hindus.
 
He probably learned from watching you fawn over Comrade Joe the Bengali Bonobo and Falcon on this thread; and GND elsewhere. You wrote the handbook on cheerleading.

The thing is, if i proceeds to engage him , the mods are not going to like the language i will be using and i may end up getting banned from this "Defense Forum".

Hating and abusing everything Hindu and glorifying a downed race ,seriously how shameless can this bugger be , i wonder if even shiaite iranians have that much hate against us Hindus.

Awwww .... the hurt is melting my heart.

Let me look for a toffee. Or two.

Cheers, Doc
 
Except you aren't. You pretend to be objective and try to claim some sort of moral high ground for yourself, when in fact your comments on this thread have clearly reflected your pre conceived notions and ideological bias on the issue. Is objectivity allowing and/or continuing to encourage an inaccurate but dominant narrative which already exists?

Please, do post instances. What instances allow you to conclude as to my 'ideological' leanings? And pre-conceived notions?



There are no dubious claims. There is a dubious but dominant narrative,

Let us look at this one then - so what are your views on the Nazi policy of terminating all handicapped new born? Isn't that a sensible option contrary to the dominant narrative of sanctity of human life preached by all but practiced rather dubiously?

I challenged it with some examples from history which are not frequently taught or discussed, and you lost your mind because this thread didn't also bash Rajputs to your satisfaction like practically every other place where the topic is discussed.

Read through .. 'lost your mind' etc etc . Hardly the case with me. Have you found me making such claims about you? Strange.


I don't need to go back to anything,

Obviously you don't. Otherwise you would be able to rectify and actually carry out a discussion :D

you're clearly bothered by the fact that there's not enough Rajput bashing on this thread for your taste.

I am clearly bothered by the fact that there is not enough Rajput brain being used here :D

So I advised you that if you're looking for the same old, tired, inaccurate but dominant narrative, start such a thread of your own. But this thread was meant to be a counter to that narrative.

The Sun surely rises in the West only named East by the majority, right? :D



You're not. If you want to flatter yourself as being the Guardian, that's your prerogative, but go do it elsewhere. And don't teach me how to approach the situation; you started off our engagement in an insulting manner (don't bother denying it, if that's the way you want to play the situation, and feign innocence, I'm not even interested in talking to you). You should have approached the situation differently if you wanted a different outcome, especially since I wasn't the one who approached you first.

Ponder over that one.

How old are you, seriously? 10 and a couple of more years?
 
Let us quit diplomatic and military history jargon and try to view this situation in lay men's terms .

My 2 cents -

I would regard battle conquests of a people as merely a fourth of a conquering people's objective . The surrender of ones political dominance as another fourth . The loss of religion comprises another fourth . The loss of ones culture ( language , rituals , customs , etc . ) as the last fourth .( The latter 2 being in no particular order )

Now you can apply your standard jargon to this layman's description of what it means to be a defeated people , a conquered people or a vanquished people and decide where do the Rajputs fit in with your narrative .

A few examples may be in order -

The American Indians lost everything from their land to their political autonomy to their religion and their culture ( to a large extent . One still reads about a small no of Indian tribes in isolated areas trying to uphold their culture but they lack the nos )

The Arab conquest of Persia determined that the Persians lost their territory , political autonomy ( they regained it after conversion to Islam - their conquerors religion after a lapse of centuries ) , their religion and only retained their culture ( Persians firmly resisted imposition of Arabic on them . The Arabs compromised and the Persians became bilingual ) .

Compare these random examples to the Rajputs applying all those yardsticks of military strategy and political objectives that you've detailed .


Fair enough.

Political; subjugation? Masses converted to what are called the Hindustani Mussalman? Entire landmass of Rajputs lost and occupied by the Muslims and their descendants?

What is that, sir?
 
I am NOT a Bengali ( Thank God for that )

And the so called cradle of Indian nationalism would have achieved Nothing IF not for the
Revolt by the Martial Races ; which was gaining strength in a Violent manner and form

Do not be under ANY illusion that Britishers bowed down to Subhash Chandra Bose 's
Chalo dilli or Rabindranath Tagore's poems

They were afraid of being lynched by the Their Own Indian soldiers
That is The Rajputs and Marathas and Sikhs ;
Hence they ran away

Britishers were never intimidated by either Subhash Chandra bose or the Bengali masses


RIP History and rational thinking! @Arvind @Aashish can we have a forehead slap emoji please?

Who suppressed the so called First War of Independence? Wonder who were the troops? (Psssst: Were they the Sikhs and the Nepalis?)

Was it the astounding series of events that you highlighted above or the untenability of the Great Britain as an Empire in the aftermath of the second world war and the emergence of US as the pre-eminent power with GB being a power in decline and economic woes?
 
Talking of Intellectualism ; we have seen that Post independence ; in a very detailed manner

Also it was Very intelligent thinking on the part of The Brother of Subhash Chandra bose
that is Sarat Chandra Bose
to TRY to Merge the Whole of Bengal as an Independent country

It was Patel who saved Bengali Hindus from Extinction by Insisting on a partition of Bengal

Otherwise you know how Muslims in Bangladesh treat Hindus


And yet you have the same being repeated in India.

What was the harm in allowing a riot to take control of the whole of territories? Ponder over that.
 
Fair enough.

Political; subjugation? Masses converted to what are called the Hindustani Mussalman? Entire landmass of Rajputs lost and occupied by the Muslims and their descendants?

What is that, sir?
True. Assuming the entire landmass between Afghanistan sweeping across thru KPK , Pakistani Punjab & Sindh to our Punjab , Delhi , Haryana , HP , Western UP , Northern MP & of course Rajasthan were their domain , they're lost both land and co religionists on either side of the border particularly w.r.t the latter.
But it wasn't a total loss as compared to the examples offered .Or is it ?
 
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Please, do post instances. What instances allow you to conclude as to my 'ideological' leanings? And pre-conceived notions?
Starting from your very first comment on here, your p.o.v. has been quite clear.
Let us look at this one then - so what are your views on the Nazi policy of terminating all handicapped new born? Isn't that a sensible option contrary to the dominant narrative of sanctity of human life preached by all but practiced rather dubiously?
Completely irrelevant.
Read through .. 'lost your mind' etc etc . Hardly the case with me. Have you found me making such claims about you? Strange.
I'm making claims which are borne out by your own comments. From your very first comment you've been whining about "examples of collusion/collaboration, defeat" without being able to grasp a simple point that this thread is a rare counter to an otherwise dominant narrative which can be found in countless places. As I have said countless times now, there's no need for me to post the other narrative because it's the dominant one by a longshot and everyone has heard it already - it needs no introduction/mention. And even then I said that if you feel the need for such points to be rehashed yet again, go ahead and make your own thread, there's nobody stopping you. I still fail to see why this is such a difficult point to grasp for you.
Obviously you don't. Otherwise you would be able to rectify and actually carry out a discussion :D
I've got nothing to rectify, fix your approach, come without your preconceived notions and snooty comments, and there can be a discussion.
I am clearly bothered by the fact that there is not enough Rajput brain being used here :D
Ok, Mr. Ambiguous Birdman.
The Sun surely rises in the West only named East by the majority, right? :D
You're obsessed with that little quip, think you're very clever do you?
How old are you, seriously? 10 and a couple of more years?
Old enough to deal with you.