Mirage 2000H, MiG-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III - Medium Multirole Aircraft of IAF
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That's the thing. They want us to pay $2.1B for integration and certification. HAL says they can do it for $300M instead.
Cost of engines themselves is separate. Honeywell wants $12M for each, HAL wants it reduced to $8M each.
At HAL's price, the entire thing will be less than $2B, including 200 engines for $8M each, which is realistic. Whereas Honeywell wants $4.5B.
They are doing this 'cause they have no competition.
What about the RR Adour M821? That's what RR is pitching isn't it? Why haven't the IAF considered RR given that they are the OEM?
I wish we atleast should have had plans to develop CAS aircraft on lines of A10 warthogs , IAF should atleast give contracts to private enterprise in a JV with foreign companies to design one if PSUs are busy. I can't understand why dont we expand horizontally in defence industry
Even with upgrades it can't match sukhois due to certain limitations. It's airframe doesn't allows it to have a powerful radar and EW suit hence hampering it's situational awareness and ability to survive in a contested airspace. Limited payload capacity is also something which we can't ignore since we would need to deploy 2 jaguars where a single Sukhoi could do a job. Its low speed and limited maneuvarability makes it a sitting duck against a fighter while it is not a problem for Sukhoi. For more detailed insight I refer you to @vstol Jockey sir.
Totally unnecessary in the present age of contested airspace. That is why even USAF is not replacing it.
With a new aircraft.
I think you need to read up on the DARIN III upgrades for the Jaguar - includes upgrades weapon systems and EW suits - All Info is in this Thread.
The Jaguar is a dedicated Strike aircraft - built for SEAD/DEAD roles - which involves terrain hugging flight - which the Su30 can't do
U do understand that its the mission profile that will dictate which aircraft/weapon system can be used - thus NOT all the time a single Su can replace 2 Jaguars
With the info available - The RR offer only involves upgrade of existing engines, not new built - This isn't acceptable by the IAF as they want New built engines which Honeywell is offering.
Hence it became a Single vendor issue - and now we are where we are today
Yes it is. Infact a few months ago some people argued that Su-30MKI can't do it. I showed them the documents to prove my point.
Same fleet, same infra, same pilots, increase in fleet reduces maintenance and operating cost.
That is why they became fool and asked for a 500k USD engine an amount of 2.5M USD.
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Won't the govt - govt deal from US will have similar prices to US forces + some% commission..?
Won't the govt - govt deal from US will have similar prices to US forces + some% commission..?
I'm confused. Is the MKI fit for terrain hugging deep penetration & strike operations or isn't it?
I remember some of the discussion s on the same topic happened in older forum.
I think it concluded like it can do it but not efficiently.
Design itself is not optimized for that role.
Two more sqns yes and not four. IAF needs to have atleast 50% of its fleet as single engine aircraft. SE aircraft are first day first show aircraft. They take much lesser time to get airborne and intercept. You can't start your second engine till the first one reaches self sustaining RPM. SO, IAF needs more of SE fighters than TE fighters. Their ratio is already skewed and more Rafale and Su-30MKI will make it worse. If more SU-30MKIs have to be bought, we must reduce the number of Rafale to be bought.