It will be shear waste of money and resources to pay nearly USD2B for 80 aircraft upgrade. We can easily buy 30-35 SU-30MKI for that cost and we will have no problem of integrating them in the fleet.
Mirage 2000H, MiG-29UPG, Jaguar DARIN III - Medium Multirole Aircraft of IAF
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The F-125IN gives only 28KN. Even matching that is more than enough. Would save us the ridiculousness of the Honeywell offer.
No, until we have aesa radar for ground hugging mode and powerful engines , can't do low profile flights in Su 30 mki.
Can fire long range weapons though..
But the problem is HAL. They have never delivered anything ontime. I am personally very hopeful about HTFE-25. You maight recall my earlier posts in which I had stated that I do see it become a success. The project completion date for HTFE-25 was 2018. We still do not know the status of it. I will rather ask HAL/DRDO to go and buy IHIXF5-1 engine with complete TOT. That will not only give a massive boost to Jaguar fleet but will also give us cutting edge tech to improve Kaveri. The total development cost of ATD-2 was USD 367m and that included the engine. That engine is a drop fit for Jaguar and weighs less than 650 kgs and gives a dry thrust of 35Kn and wet thrust of 49 KN
Powerful engines???????? Man the engines of sukhois are 5 times more powerful. And the radar used in Sukhoi coupled with old 30 and listening pod is capable of launching ground strikes. That is why Su 30 mki is termed as air superiority multirole fighter. I don't know what you are talking about.
Looked around, turns out the HTFE-25 is still in TD mode. It's a 6-year phase, so it's ending in 2019, not counting any delays. Ground testing of the TD started in July last year, so it looks like it's moving along as planned. After this phase is over, they will manufacture and test a proper development prototype, followed by test flights. A few more phases are left. So it's still a long ways away from becoming a reality.
The XF5-1 seems to be a lot more viable as long as it's a drop fit.
For some problems armchair generals and desi journalists comes up with same solution everytime.
Not enough fighters?, buy more Su-30
Not enough Tanks?, buy more T-90
Did someone say missiles?, buy more Brahmos
The Su30 is primary an Air Dominance Fighter with secondary strike - Just because it is multi-role - doesn't make it a jack of all trades
The Jaguar is a dedicated Strike aircraft (it was specially bought for that role) and with a DARIN III mods is an all together different beast.
The Honeywell engine being a Drop fit - is/was an excellent choice (will wait for official reports) - meaning that this engine can be installed WITHOUT any modification to the frame - thus integration and testing will be faster
I always wanted us to develop our own CAS aircraft from ground up. Unlike what we are doing with the Jaguar and hawk, which is just modifying them. Something like say a Sukhoi Su 24.
But given our history with aviation I am kind of afraid to even suggest it. Sad state of affairs really.
But given our history with aviation I am kind of afraid to even suggest it. Sad state of affairs really.
Can Jaguars be transferred to navy in new bases like in karwar until we buy / expand naval fighters?
We already have one optimist in house. We don't encourage people undermining resident optimist's position.
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Does this include the cost of the engine? What's the cost per engine coming to? How many Jags will be equipped with the new engines?
else we need to take up Rolls-Royce offer of upgrading the existing engines to Mk821
Yep. Already mentioned it.
I suppose the best option is to go for a slightly less powerful Adour engine.
Then what's with the 2billion USD only for integration if it's supposed to be a drop fit?
Btw, aren't the engines themselves overpriced for the thrust they deliver? Seems like Honeywell thinks it's in a monopoly position.