For exemple, in CMO simulation SER of Rafale = SER of Typhoon = 0.47 M^2and you cannot modify it.
It appears performance was given the most importance in the simulation. The F-35 should have done way better.
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It appears performance was given the most importance in the simulation. The F-35 should have done way better.
Sorry I made a mistake, the writer of the blog actually ranked Rafale as better than Gripen + GlobalEye. Gripen had more points in one table there where the author had given 1-5 stars for various things, but overall the writer thought that Rafale was more successful because for example there were more Gripens lost in the simulations. And once again, this is all only relevant considering this one set of simulations and is not meant to be any kind of overall assessment of the planes for the real world.
I don't think so. The F-35 is not made to be an interceptor. This simulation was all about defensive counter air. It is common knowledge that the Typhoon is the purest interceptor of the bunch, and thus it is no surprise that it was the best in this simulation.
The F-35 is made to hide, but you can't defend an airfield by hiding. The F-35 is the wrong plane for the job.
Now for HX, they will have simulations that are maybe similar to this one here, but more complex and sophisticated. I would assume that the F-35 will also fail in those simulations in DCA.
They will of course also simulate other kinds of missions. The Rafale is more of an all-rounder than the Typhoon and should do well in the simulations. What was sort of surprising here was that Gripen was not helped more by Globaleye.
This is what I believe: the F-35 is a very bad choice for DCA (Defensive Counter Air). This little simulation went like it went because the F-35 is not suited for the job. All the Eurocanards are good for DCA. The Finnish Air Force has many requirements, but DCA and air policing remains the most important one.
Therefore I personally believe that the winner of HX will be one of the Eurocanards. Meteor missile will be needed, all the Eurocanards have it. So this time the winner will be European. Of course I could be wrong, but I just believe this is logical. We'll see when autumn comes.
More on HX: above we assumed that the winner of HX must be one of the Eurocanards. Gripen is helped massively but the inclusion of GlobalEye, but... what if it is late? HX must not, and can not be late.
Then we are left with two choices. It is either Typhoon or Rafale. Rafale could win by virtue of slightly lower operating costs.
One little known fact is that Israeli weapons are also in the HX race. Just as India has operated Israeli bombs on French planes, so could Finland. So then, a Rafale with SPICE could be so much cheaper than Typhoon that it beats it with better value.
Anyhow, we WILL see soon.
Then we are left with two choices. It is either Typhoon or Rafale. Rafale could win by virtue of slightly lower operating costs.
One little known fact is that Israeli weapons are also in the HX race. Just as India has operated Israeli bombs on French planes, so could Finland. So then, a Rafale with SPICE could be so much cheaper than Typhoon that it beats it with better value.
Anyhow, we WILL see soon.
The ability to hide is the most important factor for any role now. But the problem is the ability to hide likely wasn't simulated, so when only performance is considered, the F-35 is worse than the F-16 for interception missions, so it's not a surprise that it did not do well compared to even the SH.
In the real world, the F-35 will beat the Typhoon hands down in any mission. The only advantage the Typhoon has over the F-35 is its supersonic speed, which will help it get to a problem area quickly, but you can compensate for the difference with more numbers that's properly spread out.
But yeah, the requirement for DCA and Air Policing will play in the favour of Rafale/Typhoon because of their ability to supercruise and Meteor.
I don't think Israeli weapons will play a part in making the choice. I'm sure both Rafale and Typhoon can be equipped with whatever Israeli weapons are available.
When it comes to both Rafale and Typhoon, I think there are enough differences that can make the choice interesting. For example, Rafale's Hammer family is largely unmatched, whereas I don't think the Typhoon's SPEAR 3 has an equivalent in the French armoury. And while both will come with Meteor, there are both advantages and disadvantages between the MICA-NG and ASRAAM options, one providing greater range and speed, the other providing greater agility and kill probability at lower ranges.
You have to enlarge a bit to see it, but the Rafale International team is marketing the brimstone! As well as for a twin-gun Pod and rocket launcher!
Its fine no need to enlarge it does not matter, just please color them. Some thing like green for free and red for paid. It will be easy for us to make a decision.
You have to enlarge a bit to see it, but the Rafale International team is marketing the brimstone! As well as for a twin-gun Pod and rocket launcher!
Yes I have seen the twin gun pod before in some materials. It is probably the same one that was used with the Mirages. Round used is not the same as in the internal gun - it is a lower velocity round.
This is probably the gun in the pod:
en.wikipedia.org
And this the internal GIAT cannon:
en.wikipedia.org
-Oh yes, you can find mentions of it if you put "CC630 gun pod into google", also pics...
This is probably the gun in the pod:
DEFA cannon - Wikipedia
And this the internal GIAT cannon:
GIAT 30 - Wikipedia
-Oh yes, you can find mentions of it if you put "CC630 gun pod into google", also pics...
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A Vietnamese view of the People's Army Newspaper | Organ of the Central Military Commission and Vietnamese Ministry of National Defense - The Voice of the Armes Forces and People.
Dassault Group's Rafale program has achieved "miracle" in recent years after Egypt, Qatar and India reached an agreement to buy French Rafale fighter jets in the years 2015-2016. At the end of January, France delivered to Egypt 18 Rafales and a large number of weapons, including SCALP cruise missiles, AM39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, MICA NG air-to-air missiles. and Meteor, for a total of € 2.4 billion.
According to the website latribune.fr, the year 2021 is the "golden year" of Rafale when there are 8 countries, including: Greece, Switzerland, Croatia, Finland, India, Indonesia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates. (UAE) is negotiating to buy this fighter. In the first 6 months of this year, the Dassault Group is expected to sign two potential contracts with Croatia and Indonesia. Croatia wants to buy used Rafale aircraft to replace the old Mig21.
Although the value of the contract is still modest, this is an opportunity for the Dassault group to sell equipment. Meanwhile, France has basically completed the negotiation to supply 36 Rafales to the Indonesian Air Force and is expected to sign the contract in the first half of 2021.
In the second half of this year, Rafale will compete with rivals Typhoon (Germany) as well as Super Hornet and Lightning 2 (USA) in the hope of winning contracts to replace the F5 and F18 of the Swiss Air Force. Rafale has an advantage over rivals thanks to good political relationship between France and Switzerland as well as attractive financial proposal. In addition, Rafale also participates in the race to win the right to replace the Finnish F18s. The final results of this race will be announced before the end of 2021.
The normalization of relations between Paris and Cairo could also allow the Egyptian air force to continue executing new Rafale orders along with the Scalp cruise missile. Negotiations on the sale of 40-60 Rafales to the UAE or 36 Rafales to Qatar are also being conducted urgently by French partners.
According to French media, in the complicated situation of world security, many countries have increased their defense budgets in order to modernize the army. Some countries have considered to buy Russian Su-25 fighters or Gripen from Sweden with more economical prices. However, Washington threatens to punish countries that violate the US Anti-Enemies Act through punitive action (CAATSA), so these countries seek to turn to buying Rafale.
Among potential French customers is Iraq, which is planning to buy Rafale to modernize its air force. During his visit to France in early 2021, Iraqi Defense Minister Jumaah Enad Saadoon said that Paris and Baghdad were negotiating to buy the Rafale, which focused on payment terms. Mr. Saadoon did not specify the content of the discussion, but said Baghdad did not intend to extend the negotiating time. One of the main factors for the Rafale to be chosen by the Iraqi Air Force is its versatile combat capabilities. The combination of state-of-the-art technology and excellent aerodynamics makes the Rafale not only capable of air combat, but also capable of ground attacks with high precision weapons and deep raid missions in the rear. enemy line.
In addition, the Rafale is a two-engine aircraft with a price comparable to that of the Swedish single-engine Gripen. In addition, the Dassault Group also provides advanced weapons associated with this fighter. In particular, on March 6, the French Air Force's fighter unit equipped with the Meteor air-to-air missile had its first practical flight, marking the beginning of powerful missile integration. for the country's Rafale fighters. With this success, 2021 is expected to be a good year for Rafale.
2021 - Rafale's "Golden Year"
People's Army - In 2007, the French Minister of the Army in the government of Prime Minister François Fillon, Mr. Hervé Morin, was cautious about the Rafale program when he said that the price of this fighter is quite expensive while Europe is cutting its defense budgets and investing in military equipment. However, 14 years later, Rafale marked a special milestone in the export sector when many countries ordered this fighter.Dassault Group's Rafale program has achieved "miracle" in recent years after Egypt, Qatar and India reached an agreement to buy French Rafale fighter jets in the years 2015-2016. At the end of January, France delivered to Egypt 18 Rafales and a large number of weapons, including SCALP cruise missiles, AM39 Exocet anti-ship missiles, MICA NG air-to-air missiles. and Meteor, for a total of € 2.4 billion.
According to the website latribune.fr, the year 2021 is the "golden year" of Rafale when there are 8 countries, including: Greece, Switzerland, Croatia, Finland, India, Indonesia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates. (UAE) is negotiating to buy this fighter. In the first 6 months of this year, the Dassault Group is expected to sign two potential contracts with Croatia and Indonesia. Croatia wants to buy used Rafale aircraft to replace the old Mig21.
Although the value of the contract is still modest, this is an opportunity for the Dassault group to sell equipment. Meanwhile, France has basically completed the negotiation to supply 36 Rafales to the Indonesian Air Force and is expected to sign the contract in the first half of 2021.
Rafale, also known as "Phoenix of the Sky", is the choice of many countries. Photo: meta-defense.fr. |
In the second half of this year, Rafale will compete with rivals Typhoon (Germany) as well as Super Hornet and Lightning 2 (USA) in the hope of winning contracts to replace the F5 and F18 of the Swiss Air Force. Rafale has an advantage over rivals thanks to good political relationship between France and Switzerland as well as attractive financial proposal. In addition, Rafale also participates in the race to win the right to replace the Finnish F18s. The final results of this race will be announced before the end of 2021.
The normalization of relations between Paris and Cairo could also allow the Egyptian air force to continue executing new Rafale orders along with the Scalp cruise missile. Negotiations on the sale of 40-60 Rafales to the UAE or 36 Rafales to Qatar are also being conducted urgently by French partners.
According to French media, in the complicated situation of world security, many countries have increased their defense budgets in order to modernize the army. Some countries have considered to buy Russian Su-25 fighters or Gripen from Sweden with more economical prices. However, Washington threatens to punish countries that violate the US Anti-Enemies Act through punitive action (CAATSA), so these countries seek to turn to buying Rafale.
Among potential French customers is Iraq, which is planning to buy Rafale to modernize its air force. During his visit to France in early 2021, Iraqi Defense Minister Jumaah Enad Saadoon said that Paris and Baghdad were negotiating to buy the Rafale, which focused on payment terms. Mr. Saadoon did not specify the content of the discussion, but said Baghdad did not intend to extend the negotiating time. One of the main factors for the Rafale to be chosen by the Iraqi Air Force is its versatile combat capabilities. The combination of state-of-the-art technology and excellent aerodynamics makes the Rafale not only capable of air combat, but also capable of ground attacks with high precision weapons and deep raid missions in the rear. enemy line.
In addition, the Rafale is a two-engine aircraft with a price comparable to that of the Swedish single-engine Gripen. In addition, the Dassault Group also provides advanced weapons associated with this fighter. In particular, on March 6, the French Air Force's fighter unit equipped with the Meteor air-to-air missile had its first practical flight, marking the beginning of powerful missile integration. for the country's Rafale fighters. With this success, 2021 is expected to be a good year for Rafale.
France and the Sale of Rafale to Egypt: Sans Meteor - Second Line of Defense
According to this article, is Egypt still unable to import Meteors due to Israeli opposition? Meteor is one of the key assets needed for the future Rafale's air-to-air capabilities. Despite the absence of Meteor, I wonder why Egypt is interested in purchasing additional Rafale. If Egypt cannot import Meteor in the future, is it betting on the capabilities of Mika NG? Indeed, Egypt is also Mika NG's first overseas export customer. How about comparing Mika NG and Meteor performance? Can Mika NG complement Meteor's long-range air-to-air capabilities?
According to this article, is Egypt still unable to import Meteors due to Israeli opposition? Meteor is one of the key assets needed for the future Rafale's air-to-air capabilities. Despite the absence of Meteor, I wonder why Egypt is interested in purchasing additional Rafale. If Egypt cannot import Meteor in the future, is it betting on the capabilities of Mika NG? Indeed, Egypt is also Mika NG's first overseas export customer. How about comparing Mika NG and Meteor performance? Can Mika NG complement Meteor's long-range air-to-air capabilities?
The Rafale is designed to be particularly effective at medium range, which is why France prefers the MICA to the Meteor, which explains why we only opened 2 points to carry it and why we only bought a small quantity of these missiles.
We only plan to use it for targets such as tankers or AWACS because we believe that the pk at long range, for a fighter, is much lower than at medium range.
Besides, it will be good if we can detect stealth aircraft at medium range.
LOL, when we started the negotiation, we were the first potenti foreign customer of Rafale. And the circus we are doing, we will be the last Rafale customer in all probability. Or will miss thr bus like Mirage 2000
Personally, I think the MICA NG-IR version will be very effective in stealth aircraft at medium range. Combining a 30% increase in range, TVC, and twin-pulse motors, the MICA NG-IR will be deadly for stealth aircraft that cannot hide their infrared signatures. It's a very unique missile.
What are the weapons selected by KAI for KFX. Do you guys have your own BVRAAM and WVRAAMs ? As far as I’ve heard the main AESA is LPI and is developed with Elbit systems. Then Israeli weapons like python and iDerby will be quite easy to integrate.
Is it available to our airforce? Come handy against j20. And how does it compares to the upcoming Astra IR.
Korea currently does not have domestic air-to-air missiles, and it is the currently envisioned stage of self-development and will likely emerge in the 2030s. The Korean government requested the US for AMRAAM integration for the KFX fighter, but the US refused. The U.S. government generally does not allow integration of home-made weapons for foreign fighters in the development stage. Currently, the weapons that have been confirmed in KFX are European air-to-air missiles such as Meteor and IRIS-T. Since the United States will discontinue AMRAAM production from 2026, personal opinion is not expected to be integrated with KFX in the end.
Both are very good choices anyway.
And considering how robust and integrated your Electronics and Defence Industry is, developing AAMs should not be a problem for Korean giants.
Have seen the latest pics of KFX and looks like its ready for test flight. Kudos to you guys for developing your own 5th gen Fighter (although the bock1 has External payload but still its the same airframe)
The MICA NG model for air-to-air combat is currently being developed. It is scheduled to be deployed from 2026. India is a Rafale purchaser, so of course it will be available.