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What is your favorite for MMRCA 2.0 ?

  • F-35 Blk 4

    Votes: 39 15.4%

  • Rafale F4

    Votes: 197 77.6%

  • Eurofighter Typhoon T3

    Votes: 4 1.6%

  • Gripen E/F

    Votes: 6 2.4%

  • F-16 B70

    Votes: 1 0.4%

  • F-18 SH

    Votes: 11 4.3%

  • F-15EX

    Votes: 9 3.5%

  • Mig-35

    Votes: 1 0.4%
  • Total voters
    254
babablacksheep said:
Yahi Kyo ruko, kf21, kaan, fcas, gcap, f47 bhi Lelo.
Zoo banalo Pura iaf ko g2g deal Kar Kar ke
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To be fair I would love if India also manufactures the f-15EX under either Boeing-Hal or Boeing-Mahindra(We can also produce parts for E-7 wedgetail *eyewink*) provided we can also get the production for the GE-F-132.
5Tata-Dassault can produce the Rafale. Hal-Rosboronexport should produce the su-30mki,su-57 and get into the su-75 programe with the UAE and jointly produce and export them to second world and third world states. Simultaneously India should join the GCAP atleast in co-development and integrate the AMCA programe with the GCAP basically making a connected sixth gen and fifth gen programme. This would also be an export answer for states who don't want to or can't buy the F-47 and F-35.

If we want to keep the Americans happy we could buy f-35 with Tata- Lockheed martin getting some local supply and component products.

Tejas Mk1 production should be given to either L&T, Kalyani or Reliance followed by mk 2 production being distributed to these companies so that they can build their aerospace capabilities.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
More Rafales and Su-57MKI are a lock now. On contrary to popular convictions, the latter isn't a knee jerk reaction to PAF procuring J-35As but to take on China in the 2030s. AMCA would become ready for war only by late 2030s. We can't wait that long.

It's just sad that Americans have completely screwed the ever improving Indo-US relationship otherwise few squadrons of F-35s wasn't such a bad thing. It is by the most tech advanced fighter flying today. But Trump by spitting in Modi's face has completely screwed all its chances. Period.
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I believe this is a boon in disguise. US is as fickle a partner as it gets. India will not be able to utilise the F-35’s network centric warfare capabilities as we don’t have the infrastructure for the same. On top of that we wouldn’t be able to mount our own missiles on F-35, Meteor integration is a distant dream. I don’t see any value in getting a super awesome jet on paper which won’t do sh*t for us on a practicality basis.
 
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Defc0n said:
I believe this is a boon in disguise. US is as fickle a partner as it gets. India will not be able to utilise the F-35’s network centric warfare capabilities as we don’t have the infrastructure for the same. On top of that we wouldn’t be able to mount our own missiles on F-35, Meteor integration is a distant dream. I don’t see any value in getting a super awesome jet on paper which won’t do sh*t for us on a practicality basis.
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F-35 tbf is a white elephant unless we get the ADIR upgrades and meteor integration on it. Without those upgrades the F-35 is as good as the rafale for us in the present situation.
And Netra mk1a's need to be inducted ASAP.

Also without the f-15EX the f-35 is toothless. If we are getting the f-35 we need the f-15EX.
 
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Speedster1 said:
No, knowing the French, they will charge an arm and a leg. I'm saying a production run of 100 (over and above the 100 they've demanded for setting up a local prod'n line in India) would be their min ask for source codes Likely more. It's a cash cow for DA and they'll squeeze every dollar they can out of us.
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They won't do it, not for 100 or 200. Or they'd ask for such an outrageous price just to put us off.

We tend to forget even the Russians did so only coz they developed the MKI for us,later selling it to others as well .

They themselves went in for it much later only as an after thought seeing how well it turned out .

It was never THE front line FA of the VKS which is not the case with the French Air Force & the Rafales.

This is the crown jewel of the French. We stand a better chance of getting the source code of the Eurofighter now that all the primcit countries have moved on to the F-35.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
They've literally sold Su -30 in the hundreds apart from us. Yes there's the KnAAPO vs Irkut version of it but still... my point remains.
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Most of those su-30's are inferior to the su-30 mki. The Chinese su-30mkk/mk2 are literally su-34 tier. Most of the Chinese j-11 are just souped up su-27 with aesa radars. The j-16 is combination of the su-33-j-15 and su-30 mkk with the same flaws of the original su-30mkk series with only improvements in avionics and ew.
The su-30sm which is the russian cousin of mki(or the orignal version) is only used by the Russians and Armenia.
My point is Russians don't really care of who they want to sell as long as they are getting business and some strategic footprint.
 
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Defc0n said:
Then what, keep it in a show case and read its spec sheet which we cannot use btw and feel happy about ourselves? I am not clear on why people want to handicap ourselves?
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We should strike a deal with US the way Israel has achieved with F35. That negotiation job is for our babu and ministry. There is no second option available in market to counter j20,j35.

With Trump in power its family easy to drag US in to.our terms at the expense of something. Example, the Chinese had just managed to get education from US university by selling rare earth.
 
Parthu said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1932983794170241440

It's I-D-R-W so take it with the requisite pinch of salt.

However, if this is true & if even the French side is unwilling to allow source code access, the chances of any other MRFA contender being okay with it are close to nil.

That would spell the end of the MRFA program as we know it.
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**** is right most of the times. Members here might disagree but they do come out to be true sooner or later.
 
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Parthu said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1932983794170241440

It's I-D-R-W so take it with the requisite pinch of salt.

However, if this is true & if even the French side is unwilling to allow source code access, the chances of any other MRFA contender being okay with it are close to nil.

That would spell the end of the MRFA program as we know it.
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Source codes for weapons integration require large orders. Or pay a large amount separately.

The French can't supply source codes just 'cause someone bought a few squadrons, or everyone will start asking for it after buying a handful.

All this source codes business is nonsense. We didn't have it for Mig-29S and the M2000/MLU either.
 
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randomradio said:
Source codes for weapons integration require large orders. Or pay a large amount separately.

The French can't supply source codes just 'cause someone bought a few squadrons, or everyone will start asking for it after buying a handful.

All this source codes business is nonsense. We didn't have it for Mig-29S and the M2000/MLU either.
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The tweet says "regardless of the number of units ordered", which means even the 114-jet MRFA order won't get us the source codes.
 
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Parthu said:
The tweet says "regardless of the number of units ordered", which means even the 114-jet MRFA order won't get us the source codes.
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That's just stupid. We are already integrating Astra on the Rafale. Most other weapons are significantly less intrusive. All we need is access to the weapons integration module in the MC or via a middleware. The US is allowing that for partner nations even for the F-35.

For stealth, we will still need French assistance, but for non-stealth, we will be able to integrate like we do on regular jets without the need to access SPECTRA's core systems.

We need a larger order to make it financially viable to make up for the loss of weapons sales and the cost of development of the Rafale. When the order becomes big enough, we will even be able to re-write the source codes over time for our own use.

This is just propaganda pushed by the anti-French lobby, nothing more.
 
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Lolwa said:
**** is right most of the times. Members here might disagree but they do come out to be true sooner or later.
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As good or bad as most defence related publications we have here. You should look at the howlers Vayu comes up with.

They get more flak because this is a niche area with not many publications & the fact that they're fairly prolific in their output.

Having said that they deserve the brickbats coming their way for such gaffes intended or otherwise just as they deserve praise for getting it right which I don't seem to recall anybody showering them with.

Back on topic , I suspect the IAF wants to do much more with the Rafales than merely weapons integration .

This could extend to tinkering around with the radars in the future , their EW / SPECTRA ,etc without French interference much like we're doing w.r.t the Super Sukhoi upgrades / have done to the MKI or the Jaguars. Easier said than done.

Why would or should DA accept these terms ? That's their bread & butter apart from their crown jewels . There's always the danger of such secrets being leaked . It'd be a national tragedy for le Francais as the Rafales are not only the main stay of Armee de l'air it's practically the only front line platform they have in service in the French Navy as well .

And in terms of money if it comes down to that which I very much doubt how much are our penny pinching babooos willing to shell out ? I see DA beginning with a figure of 10 billion USD likely more.
 
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