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Boeing All Set To Prove F/A-18 Off Ski-Jump For Indian Navy

By Shiv Aroor, Feb 06 2020, 6:39 pm
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Boeing has signaled it will be conducting first test-launches of the F/A-18 Super Hornet from a shore-based ski jump in the United States as the culmination of a long-standing message to the Indian Navy that the American aircraft would be compatible with Indian aircraft carriers.

The Super Hornet currently operates using a steam catapult system on U.S. aircraft carriers, and has never operated from ski jumps that are standard fit on the Indian Navy’s current aircraft carriers INS Vikramaditya and it’s next aircraft carrier the indigenous Vikrant.

At the ongoing Def Expo show in Lucknow, India, Boeing executives indicated that a Super Hornet could undertake ski-jump launch tests soon — likely at Naval Air Station Patuxent River in Maryland. In the past, it is understood that a legacy F-18 Hornet and F-14 Tomcat have both completed ski-jmp tests at the Maryland facility. More recently, a Lockheed-Martin F-35B used the ski-jump for launch trials.

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Boeing’s F/A-18 is being pitched both as a carrier based fighter to the Indian Navy for a prospective requirement of 57 jets, as well as to the Indian Air Force in an upcoming contest to build 114 of a chosen fighter type in India with a strategic private partner. Boeing has centred its offer around a ‘Factory of the Future’ message, detailed in an earlier report here.

The Indian Navy’s requirement, widely expected to be a face-off between the F/A-18 and Rafale-M, is theoretically for a planned ‘flat top’ aircraft carrier that will be built after the new Vikrant. However, Boeing’s move to prove the Super Hornet on a ski jump carrier is clearly an effort to establish the aircraft’s so far theoretical compatibility with at least the launch configuration of India’s currently and next carrier. Underscoring its pitch to the Indian Navy, Boeing customised concept art for the Def Expo show that depicted a pair of Super Hornets with नौसेना on their fins.

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To be sure, Boeing’s move to prove ski jump capabilities on the Super Hornet have their roots stretching back to as far back as 2006. In 2007, Livefist reported on how, in response to an Indian Navy query, Boeing had reported back with simulation studies ostensibly confirming that the Super Hornet could operate off the then under refurbishment Gorshkov (later INS Vikramaditya) carrier. More recently in 2017, Boeing executives told Livefist, “We’ve done a lot of simulation work with the Indian Navy to better understand their requirements and we fill comfortable that the Super Hornet can operate from all their carriers, both the ones fielded today and the ones in the future… We think we can move around the deck, be very mission capable with a relevant weapons load-out and fuel load-out to give the Navy what they need. The Super Hornet as built today can operate from Indian carriers.”

Boeing has had a robust year in India. It’s rotorcraft deliveries to the Indian Air Force last year — the AH-64E Apache and CH-47F Chinook — were both prominently on display at this year’s Republic Day parade. This came shortly after the Indian MoD cleared decks for the purchase of six more P-8I Poseidon long range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine jets.

Boeing’s new lead on the Indian defence business, Surendra Ahuja, a retired Rear Admiral from the Indian Navy who also happens to be India’s first new mould Indian pilot to ‘trap’ on a carrier, said today, “The recent induction of the CH-47F(I) Chinook heavy-lift and AH-64E Apache attack helicopters by the Indian Air Force, the focus is on establishing local rotorcraft training and support facilities. We are committed to working with our customers to provide holistic solutions for their defence aircraft and services with the right capability, advanced technologies and cost structure. We have accelerated our efforts to set up a local sustainment support footprint in India to be more responsive to our customers’ needs. Boeing’s existing platforms in India, the P-8I and C-17 are operated by the Indian Navy and Indian Air Force and are experiencing high mission readiness rates as a result of Boeing’s commitment to services and support.”

India’s own efforts with deck-based fighters has seen solid movement recently with the first launch and recovery of the Naval Light Combat Aircraft from the INS Vikramaditya deck last month. Livefist also recently detailed the Indian Navy’s stipulation that it would only accept a twin-engined fighter for its carrier decks, sparking a fresh proposal from the makers of the LCA.


Boeing All Set To Prove F/A-18 Off Ski-Jump For Indian Navy
 
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Shore based fighters ? None of the recent procurements(NASAMS-II, ATHOS, BTR etc) make any sense to me. Add this to the list.
That ATHOS procurement is fake news. Elbit Systems has partnered up with Bharat Forge and not Gun Carriage Factory(GCF) Jabalpur. So even if ATHOS was to be made in India with ToT, Bharat Forge would be making them and not GCF.
 
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Shore based fighters ? None of the recent procurements(NASAMS-II, ATHOS, BTR etc) make any sense to me. Add this to the list.
Instead of going for additional Mig 29K whose service record/availability is underwhelming at best, we should go for 10-18 NLCA in Mk1A configuration. Mk1A already has a weight reduction of 1000kg over Mk1, this will only aid carrier operations. Also LCA's crashless record and high sortie rate speaks volume about its reliability and capability. Also the ELTA 2052/UTTAM AESA radar of Mk1A is superior to Zhuk ME radar of Mig29K.
 
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It's referring to the MRCBF tender.
How can it be referring to the MRCBF tender? Have bids been invited? Were the technical comparisons done? Were the price bids opened & the winner declared? Besides wasn't the MRBCF tender in anticipation of the IAC - 2 ?
 
How can it be referring to the MRCBF tender? Have bids been invited? Were the technical comparisons done? Were the price bids opened & the winner declared? Besides wasn't the MRBCF tender in anticipation of the IAC - 2 ?

Well, the article is obviously misleading. The Russians are waiting for the release of the RFP.
 
How can it be referring to the MRCBF tender? Have bids been invited? Were the technical comparisons done? Were the price bids opened & the winner declared? Besides wasn't the MRBCF tender in anticipation of the IAC - 2 ?
The seller can say anything to sell their crap.
 
Navy Says Ending Super Hornet Line Frees Up Resources for Life Extension Work


Seaman Sakyra Baker stands aft lookout as an F/A-18 Super Hornet assigned to Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 7 lands on the flight deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) on Feb. 21, 2019. US Navy Photo

CAPITOL HILL – The Navy’s request to end the F/A-18E-F Super Hornet production line after 2021 instead of signing another multiyear production contract was not to save money, but rather to allow manufacturer Boeing to convert the production line from building new planes to overhauling old ones at a rate of 40 per year.

The Navy is managing a shifting fighter fleet, which today only sends fourth-generation Super Hornets on deployments but by next year will begin its transition into a blend of fourth- and fifth-gen fighters, once the first squadron of F-35C Joint Strike Fighters heads out with the Carl Vinson Carrier Strike Group.

Navy acquisition chief James Geurts said today that the best way to support the ideal mix of F-18s and F-35s was to stop buying Super Hornets after the current contract ends in Fiscal Year 2021 and to focus instead on getting as many as possible per year through the Service Life Modification (SLM) program. SLM not only adds thousands of flying hours to the planes’ lives but also upgrades them to the new Block III configuration with that adds stealth, range, weapons-carrying capacity and advanced connectivity.

“Most of the parts of the aircraft aren’t built on the production line, it’s assembly; so we’re going to see a large transference of that skill and expertise as we take airplanes apart and service life extend them,” he told USNI News after a House Armed Services tactical air and land forces subcommittee hearing, adding that he wanted the same experts that assembled new planes to re-assemble the older ones after they were taken apart for new components to be adding in for the life extension and capability upgrade program.
“And also part of that is modifying those from Block II to Block III aircraft. So we’re going to simultaneously extend the service life so we can get more flying hours and then greatly enhance the capability as we give them the full Block III capability. So essentially an airplane coming out of there is a Block III F/A-18E-F with lots of flying hours left, which is not much different than a new production Block III F/A-18E-F with a lot of hours left.”

Many of the Navy’s most controversial cuts in the FY 2021 budget request were driven by flat toplines and the Columbia-class ballistic missile submarine construction squeezing out other spending priorities – cutting one of two planned attack submarines in 2021 and cutting a planned Arleigh Burke destroyer in the out years were “strictly affordability” issues, Navy officials have said.

Geurts assured that the decision to end F-18 procurement earlier than previously planned – another multiyear contract had been written into earlier aircraft procurement plans, showing a buy of 36 jets from 2022 to 2024 – had nothing to do with money and everything to do with need.

“When we look at our fighter shortfall, we’re about 49 aircraft short. Between SLM and F-35 coming online – we’re adding F-35s into the fleet now – that fighter shortfall essentially goes to zero towards the end of the 2020s. And so, looking at that, we have to take a little bit of risk in between now and the end of 2020s; about 40 aircraft on a fleet of 800 is a manageable risk. Particularly if we keep our mission capable rate up. I think we added about 134 aircraft to the Navy inventory in our mission capable rate improvements this last year, so that’s another way” to increase ready jets available for training and operations, Geurts told USNI News.

During the hearing, though, the subcommittee’s chairman and ranking member expressed concern about stopping production, especially since the Navy’s replacement program, the FA-XX program, is still in early development.

“The Navy’s budget proposal removes 36 Super Hornet strike-fighter aircraft planned after fiscal year 2021 and begins shutdown of the F/A-18 production line beginning in 2023, increasing the Navy’s strike-fighter shortfall next year. Further, we need to understand what gives Navy leadership and acquisition officials confidence that terminating Super Hornet production 10 years before the next generation FA-XX strike-fighter, currently existent on just briefing slides, is prudent,” Rep. Donald Norcross (D-N.J.) said in his opening statement.

“Regarding Navy strike fighter management: This budget request removed 36 new production F/A-18 Super Hornets in the out-years that were originally planned for production in last year’s budget. Given the Navy’s current shortfall of 49 aircraft, I’m concerned that this decision is creating too much operational risk in the near term,” Rep. Vicky Hartzler (R-Mo.) said in her opening statement. Boeing’s F-18 production facility is in her home state of Missouri, but not in Hartzler’s district.

Geurts told the lawmakers during the hearing that he was confident the Navy would have enough jets ready to train and operate at any given time under this plan. The SLM process currently takes 18 months but will be reduced to 12 months once the work moves to a productionized setup on an assembly line, which can only happen if new construction stops.

The Navy is also sending feedback to the fleet to try to reduce the amount of work the Super Hornets will eventually need when they go through SLM. For example, the first couple Super Hornets showed up with more corrosion than expected, Geurts acknowledged at the hearing. The Navy is working with flight line maintainers to find ways to reduce the number of times panels and spaces on the planes have to be opened during routine maintenance, to minimize how much exposure the jets’ insides have to the elements and ultimately to reduce corrosion that will have to be addressed during their SLM process.

On the Marine Corps side, Deputy Commandant for Aviation Lt. Gen. Steven Rudder said during the hearing that the Marines are not facing a shortfall. In fact, now that the Navy has gotten rid of its remaining legacy Hornets and are operating just the Super Hornet, the Marines have been able to pick through the cast-aside planes and see which are in the best conditions for future operations.

“Since the Navy divested of their legacy Hornets, we actually have a lot of Hornets that we’re kind of sorting through to configure with the best of breed, the higher lot numbers if you will. We have 275; we need about 143 on the flight lines, so we have enough Hornets,” Rudder said.
“We have enough (AV-8B) Harriers, even though they’re down around 123. What the challenge for us is is the transition” to the F-35B and C variants and making sure procurement keeps up with the planned transition rate for squadrons.

The Marine Corps hopes to transition two Hornet or Harrier squadrons a year to the F-35, and they need to buy 20 new F-35s a year to keep up with this schedule. Given that lawmakers sometimes cut aircraft procurement to free up funds for other add-ins, or Pentagon or White House leaders make cuts to support other priorities outside the Marine Corps or Defense Department budget, Rudder said continuing at the 20-a-year procurement rate is the biggest risk to the service’s “ongoing in-stride transition” to fifth-generation aviation.
 
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Germany Set To Replace Tornado Jets With Mixed Eurofighter and Super Hornet Fleet

As the service life of the Tornado fleet is nearing its end, the German Air Force is facing a continuous increase in the maintenance costs and availability issues. The government is evaluating a replacement and, after excluding the F-35 Lightning II last year, it looks like the plan (not yet approved) is to replace the Tornado with a mixed fleet of Eurofighter Typhoons and Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornets beginning from 2025.

Until some time ago, the German Air Force was aiming to replace the Tornado fleet only with the Eurofighter in both the ECR and the Project Quadriga configuration. For reference, Project Quadriga is a program to replace the older Tranche 1 Eurofighters with new aircraft with the latest upgrades and the new Captor E-Scan Mk1 AESA radar; additional aircraft in this configuration were proposed as Tornado replacement. The ECR (Electronic Combat Reconnaissance) variant would have replaced the Electronic Warfare (EW) and Suppression of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD) capabilities of the Tornado ECR, while the remaining Quadriga aircraft would have replaced the Tornado IDS capabilities.

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However, before selecting what will replace the Tornado, Germany needs to satisfy an important requirement: the new aircraft has to be nuclear capable as the country is part of NATO’s nuclear sharing agreement. Because of this, as reported by the German business newspaper Handelsblatt, the Ministry of Defense has plans to purchase of up to 90 Eurofighters and 45 F/A-18s. Neither the Eurofighter nor the Super Hornet are nuclear capable, but the MoD seems to have assessed with United States that the integration of the B-61 nuclear bomb will be faster on the American-made aircraft, while it would take from three to five years longer on the Eurofighter.

The 45 F/A-18s could include a mix of approximately 30 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and 15 E/A-18G Growlers, blocking this way a purchase of the new Eurofighter ECR variant. According to Handelsblatt, that decision could have been motivated by some experts that do not trust Airbus to complete the development of the Eurofighter ECR in a short time.

The choice of the F/A-18 sparked some controversies in Germany as industry and government officials argued that four billion euros would be withdrawn from German industry and its suppliers, damaging the industry and causing also higher costs for the taxpayers, since the Air Force would need to build new infrastructure for a relatively small number of aircraft.
 
Germany Set To Replace Tornado Jets With Mixed Eurofighter and Super Hornet Fleet

As the service life of the Tornado fleet is nearing its end, the German Air Force is facing a continuous increase in the maintenance costs and availability issues. The government is evaluating a replacement and, after excluding the F-35 Lightning II last year, it looks like the plan (not yet approved) is to replace the Tornado with a mixed fleet of Eurofighter Typhoons and Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornets beginning from 2025.

Until some time ago, the German Air Force was aiming to replace the Tornado fleet only with the Eurofighter in both the ECR and the Project Quadriga configuration. For reference, Project Quadriga is a program to replace the older Tranche 1 Eurofighters with new aircraft with the latest upgrades and the new Captor E-Scan Mk1 AESA radar; additional aircraft in this configuration were proposed as Tornado replacement. The ECR (Electronic Combat Reconnaissance) variant would have replaced the Electronic Warfare (EW) and Suppression of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD) capabilities of the Tornado ECR, while the remaining Quadriga aircraft would have replaced the Tornado IDS capabilities.

Germany_Super_Hornet_2.jpg


However, before selecting what will replace the Tornado, Germany needs to satisfy an important requirement: the new aircraft has to be nuclear capable as the country is part of NATO’s nuclear sharing agreement. Because of this, as reported by the German business newspaper Handelsblatt, the Ministry of Defense has plans to purchase of up to 90 Eurofighters and 45 F/A-18s. Neither the Eurofighter nor the Super Hornet are nuclear capable, but the MoD seems to have assessed with United States that the integration of the B-61 nuclear bomb will be faster on the American-made aircraft, while it would take from three to five years longer on the Eurofighter.

The 45 F/A-18s could include a mix of approximately 30 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and 15 E/A-18G Growlers, blocking this way a purchase of the new Eurofighter ECR variant. According to Handelsblatt, that decision could have been motivated by some experts that do not trust Airbus to complete the development of the Eurofighter ECR in a short time.

The choice of the F/A-18 sparked some controversies in Germany as industry and government officials argued that four billion euros would be withdrawn from German industry and its suppliers, damaging the industry and causing also higher costs for the taxpayers, since the Air Force would need to build new infrastructure for a relatively small number of aircraft.
How come Germany's Fighter Aircraft replacement plans come under MRCBF program of the IN, Eshwin? Quarantine getting to you ?
 
Germany Set To Replace Tornado Jets With Mixed Eurofighter and Super Hornet Fleet

As the service life of the Tornado fleet is nearing its end, the German Air Force is facing a continuous increase in the maintenance costs and availability issues. The government is evaluating a replacement and, after excluding the F-35 Lightning II last year, it looks like the plan (not yet approved) is to replace the Tornado with a mixed fleet of Eurofighter Typhoons and Boeing F/A-18 Super Hornets beginning from 2025.

Until some time ago, the German Air Force was aiming to replace the Tornado fleet only with the Eurofighter in both the ECR and the Project Quadriga configuration. For reference, Project Quadriga is a program to replace the older Tranche 1 Eurofighters with new aircraft with the latest upgrades and the new Captor E-Scan Mk1 AESA radar; additional aircraft in this configuration were proposed as Tornado replacement. The ECR (Electronic Combat Reconnaissance) variant would have replaced the Electronic Warfare (EW) and Suppression of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD) capabilities of the Tornado ECR, while the remaining Quadriga aircraft would have replaced the Tornado IDS capabilities.

Germany_Super_Hornet_2.jpg


However, before selecting what will replace the Tornado, Germany needs to satisfy an important requirement: the new aircraft has to be nuclear capable as the country is part of NATO’s nuclear sharing agreement. Because of this, as reported by the German business newspaper Handelsblatt, the Ministry of Defense has plans to purchase of up to 90 Eurofighters and 45 F/A-18s. Neither the Eurofighter nor the Super Hornet are nuclear capable, but the MoD seems to have assessed with United States that the integration of the B-61 nuclear bomb will be faster on the American-made aircraft, while it would take from three to five years longer on the Eurofighter.

The 45 F/A-18s could include a mix of approximately 30 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and 15 E/A-18G Growlers, blocking this way a purchase of the new Eurofighter ECR variant. According to Handelsblatt, that decision could have been motivated by some experts that do not trust Airbus to complete the development of the Eurofighter ECR in a short time.

The choice of the F/A-18 sparked some controversies in Germany as industry and government officials argued that four billion euros would be withdrawn from German industry and its suppliers, damaging the industry and causing also higher costs for the taxpayers, since the Air Force would need to build new infrastructure for a relatively small number of aircraft.
??? strange.
A logistic nightmare...... in a country where servicability is already low.
 

See at 28:45. There's a question about taking off with a "springboard" (ski-jump) and Até says that current Rafale have a three-position switch, with "ground mode, CVN mode, and let's call it 'Indian mode'". He also says it hasn't been tested yet (as you all know) and that it reduces the max take-off weight, but that it should work.
 
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He also says it hasn't been tested yet (as you all know) and that it reduces the max take-off weight, but that it should work.

This will become a problem. A 7-7.5T payload is minimum if the Rafale-M is expected to carry 2 Brahmos-M along with 2 large drop tanks.
 
??? strange.
A logistic nightmare...... in a country where servicability is already low.
Germany should actually set up a North European Joint Defence force with Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, Norway , Poland and the Baltic states. Might rationalise their costly procurements and might actually help the crew issues.

Like they have 6 Type212 , non going out. Would be better to combine Submarine forces with the Dutch and Nordics, and say buy 4 more Type 212 and then actually try to increase the availability of a pool of 10 modern SSKs.
 
This will become a problem. A 7-7.5T payload is minimum if the Rafale-M is expected to carry 2 Brahmos-M along with 2 large drop tanks.
The video doesn't say by how much the payload is reduced. Do you think it'd really lose over half its regular max payload?