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What Will Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine Mean for China’s Belt and Road?​

Exploring the geoeconomic implications for the BRI and other Eurasian economic and infrastructure initiatives.


While primarily a geopolitical event, the Russian invasion of Ukraine will profoundly reconfigure global geoeconomics. “Geoeconomics” is defined here simply as the intersection of economy and geography. Examples include infrastructure-based connectivity initiatives such as China’s Belt and Road Initiative (BRI), the European Union’s Global Gateway, the U.S.-led Blue Dot Network (BDN), the G-7’s Build Back Better World (B3W), Japan’s Quality Infrastructure Investment (QII), Russia’s Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU), and the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC) driven by Russia, Iran, and India.

Centered around the geography of Afro-Eurasia, China’s BRI is currently the largest geoeconomic initiative, involving 140 countries. It will be profoundly reconfigured by this war. For China, the vast Russian landmass was the most reliable land-route to the rich EU market. Russia, Ukraine, Poland, and Belarus had all hoped to be part of the New Eurasian Land Bridge, which is a mainly rail-based connectivity vision. These land connectivity dreams are have been “killed” by Putin’s war. That’s a severe headache for China.


The 17+1, which is a BRI cooperation platform between China (the “1”) and 17 (originally 16) Central and Eastern European countries, was already suffering setbacks due to Sino-American decoupling, among other reasons. The rapid Western-Russian/Belarusian decoupling and the destruction of Ukrainian infrastructure practically destroys any short- to medium-term prospects of a robust 17+1 platform – another problem for China.It is worth remembering that more than 80 percent of global commerce is still conducted via maritime routes. China’s enthusiasm for rail connectivity will have to be seriously curbed for now.

Beyond the short term, China must bypass the Russian-Belarusian and maybe Ukrainian geography. The BRI’s other corridors will inevitably gain more salience for China-EU connectivity.

The Central Asia-West Asia (CAWA) corridor is likely to become more significant in Chinese thinking. By transiting via Central Asian countries, the Caspian region, Iran, and Turkey, the BRI can bypass Russia and reach Europe.

The potential reinstatement of the Iran Nuclear Deal and the recently signed Sino-Iranian 25-year agreement were already set to enhance the role of the CAWA corridor. Putin’s war is likely to turbocharge these processes and uplift the status of this corridor. The centrality of Iranian geography for China and the attractiveness of unsanctioned Iranian gas and oil for the EU – as an alternative to Russia’s – could boost the geoeconomic role of Iran in the current circumstances.

China’s other option is to rely further on the BRI’s China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), which is connected to the Indian Ocean. It is also connected to Iran and Turkey (and by extension Europe) via road and rail (e.g., the Islamabad-Tehran-Istanbul train). China therefore has the option of further integrating CPEC and the CAWA corridor and solidifying China-Pakistan-Iran connections to reach Europe via land.

If both Russia and Iran are to be avoided, China’s BRI can be interlinked with Turkey’s Middle Corridor, a geoeconomic initiative that includes the Caspian region and Central Asian countries. Turkish policymakers have regularly promoted the potential synergies between their initiative and China’s BRI.

In the long term, Russia in its own turn is highly likely to further solidify its own geoeconomic initiative, the EAEU, to cement its influence in the former Soviet states as far as possible. The EAEU involves Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Armenia, and Kyrgyzstan. These Russian partners are not likely to follow the sanctions regime. The EAEU will have to rely on a ruble-dominated trade regime. Russia is likely to push for a monetary union in this region, an idea that Putin, Belarus’ Alexander Lukashenko, and others have advocated for years.

The EAEU will also have to expand its cooperation and trade with whoever is still interested in dealing with Russia. Iran is one such option, given its own “pivot” to Asia under new President Ebrahim Raisi and a preferential trade agreement with the EAEU. The country hopes to turn this agreement into a free trade agreement.

India, with its large economy and muted response to Putin’s aggression, is another. New Delhi already wants to benefit from discounted Russian oil and is looking for alternative payment methods to bypass Western sanctions against Russia even at the risk of being sidelined. The three countries meet in the International North-South Transport Corridor (INSTC), which they have been developing for two decades now.

An Iran eager for connectivity, a sanctioned Russia desperate for economic survival, and an India geographically surrounded by Pakistan and China – and therefore very eager for land connectivity to Eurasia through Iran’s Chabahar Port – will all be motivated to fast-track the INSTC’s development. This initiative also involves Central Asian countries, which aim to reach international waters via the Iranian landmass.


Through the multimodal INSTC, Russia can deepen its connectivity to the Caspian region, Middle East, Asia, and Africa. Many actors in these regions offered muted responses to Putin’s war, which means not all doors are closed to trading with Russia.

The Gulf Cooperation Council offered one such response due to growing tieswith Russia.

A similar non-condemnation came from ASEAN, which has been eying a free trade agreement with the EAEU for years now.

In the short term, closer strategic proximity to China’s economic and financial institutions and services is the only immediately viable option for Russia to absorb the shock of the sanctions. After MasterCard and Visa left Russia, China’s UnionPay is set to replace them. This is only one sign of the “new era” agreement that China and Russia recently signed and promoted shortly before Russia invaded Ukraine.

In the long run, Russia’s and the EAEU’s economic and geographic potentials are likely to be absorbed by China’s economy and the BRI’s geography. If left unaddressed, this unintended consequence of Russo-Western decoupling could become a serious strategic headache for the West.

And there’s the rub. China – and more broadly, East Asia – is the key to any strategic analysis of the current crisis in Europe. Namely, there is a global bifurcation between Western (particularly U.S.) geopolitical power and East Asian (particularly Chinese) geoeconomic power.

The United States, EU, and allied policy responses to the Russian invasion should take this bifurcation into consideration so as to avoid or mitigate unintended negative consequences. Another layer of complexity to take into account is the distinction between economics (trade, finance, sanctions, etc.) and geoeconomics (economics plus geography).


Some commentators discount the size of the Russian economy as a tiny proportion (around 2 or 3 percent) of the global economy. However, they forget that Russian geoeconomic power is much more significant than its economy as such.
Geoeconomics involves geography. One cannot outright discount Russia’s vast geography as a sizable portion of Eurasian (and global) landmass. It is easier to sanction economies than geographies.

Geoeconomics is about long-term strategic thinking; sanctioning is a short-term tactical move. Sanctions are hurting Russia terribly now, but they don’t answer long-term strategic questions. They might even backfire as can be seen in the Sino-Saudi negotiations to replace the petro-dollar with the petro-yuan.

The grand policy (and analytical) paradox in the current crisis is this: On the one hand, Western powers consider China to be geopolitically their main systemic rival; on the other hand, they are completely detaching Russia from Western economies, finance, and geography, thereby forcing it to be incorporated into Chinese geoeconomics. This gives China an array of headaches in the short run – some of them very severe indeed – but does it not make China more of a formidable rival for the West in the Indo-Pacific in the long run, when China will have absorbed – at a discounted price – most of the Russian geographic and economic strengths?

The distinction between economics and geoeconomics is most often ignored in Western policy circles. The four Western-oriented infrastructure initiatives, namely, the EU’s Global Gateway, the United States’ BDN, Japan’s QII, or the G-7’s B3W have not yet produced enough geoeconomic momentum globally to seriously rival the BRI. The U.S. and EU ignore geoeconomics at their own peril. After all, the West won the Cold War through geoeconomic means, such as the Marshall Plan and the Breton Woods institutions.

One way forward is to reenergize these four initiatives, create serious synergies between them, and bring them under one coherent strategic narrative to compete with the BRI. This narrative has to be as multidimensional as it gets (as the BRI is) and should not reduce all complexities of international affairs to a one-dimensional ideological narrative about the battle between democracy and authoritarianism. That can be one part of the story, but not the whole story. Such one-dimensionality would cost the West many potential allies and partners.

The combination of these initiatives is especially needed if Russia’s (and the EAEU’s) geoeconomics is going to be combined with China’s BRI as an unintended consequence of the Western decoupling from Russia. It is at such critical junctures in history that strategic long-term decisions can make or break an actor or even a system.

 

China reckons with its first overseas debt crisis​

China reckons with its first overseas debt crisis The Belt and Road Initiative has seen a surge in loans going bad, prompting Beijing to issue countries with emergency credit © FT montage: Getty Images Share on twitter (opens new window) Share on facebook (opens new window) Share on linkedin (opens new window) James Kynge in London, Kathrin Hille in Taipei, Ben Parkin in Colombo and Jonathan Wheatley in São Paulo July 21 2022 181 Print this page Receive free Chinese economy updates We’ll send you a myFT Daily Digest email rounding up the latest Chinese economy news every morning. The 350m Lotus Tower that looms over the skyline in Sri Lanka’s capital Colombo is one of the tallest buildings in South Asia. Funded by a Chinese state bank and designed to look like a giant lotus bud about to burst into flower, it was intended to be a metaphor for the flourishing of Sri Lanka’s economy and the “brilliant future” of the bilateral co-operation between Beijing and Colombo. Instead, the tower has become a symbol of the mounting problems facing China’s overseas lending scheme, the “Belt and Road Initiative”. The construction suffered from lengthy delays and an allegation of corruption levelled by Sri Lanka’s then-president Maithripala Sirisena against one of the Chinese contractors. Now, three years after its official launch, the tower’s amenities including a shopping mall, a conference centre and several restaurants stand either unfinished or largely unused while outside on the streets outrage over Sri Lanka’s financial mismanagement has boiled over into popular protests. “It is something we would have done better without,” says Athula Kumarasiri, a bookshop owner, as he motions towards the tower. “What is the need for this? It is a complete white elephant.” Sri Lanka is one of dozens of countries in the developing world that hoped to take advantage of the surge in Chinese overseas lending over the past decade under the Belt and Road Initiative — a scheme that ranks not only as Beijing’s biggest foreign policy gambit since the founding of the People’s Republic in 1949 but also the largest transnational infrastructure programme ever undertaken by a single country. However, a large number of projects, such as the tower, have failed to yield a commercial return while the huge loans it takes to build such infrastructure can exacerbate financial pressures on vulnerable governments. Those pressures have converged in Sri Lanka, which defaulted on its sovereign debt in May, the first Asia-Pacific country to do so for more than two decades. Such cases are becoming much more common. A Financial Times examination of the financial health of the Belt and Road Initiative — once hailed by Chinese leader Xi Jinping as the “project of the century” — has uncovered a mountain of non-performing loans. In several countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America, the project risks metastasising into a series of debt crises. The issue is of crucial importance to the developing world because of the vast scale of the Belt and Road Initiative. Since the programme was first proposed in 2013 the value of China-led infrastructure projects and other transactions classified as “Belt and Road” in scores of developing countries had reached $838bn by the end of 2021, according to data collected by the American Enterprise Institute, a Washington-based think-tank. But the loans that finance those projects are now turning bad in record numbers. According to data collected by Rhodium Group, a New York-based research group, the total value of loans from Chinese institutions that had to be renegotiated in 2020 and 2021 surged to $52bn. This was more than three times the $16bn of the previous two years. This sharp deterioration brings the total of Chinese overseas loans to have come under renegotiation since 2001 to $118bn — or about 16 per cent of the total extended, Rhodium estimates. China has had to manage a number of defaults on sensitive overseas loans in recent years but the cumulative impact of the multiple renegotiations that Beijing currently faces amount to the country’s first overseas debt crisis. “This is the worst period of debt pressure since the start of the Belt and Road Initiative,” says Matthew Mingey, senior research analyst at Rhodium Group. “The Covid-19 pandemic took existing problems and supercharged them.” Many of these loan renegotiations involve write offs, deferred payment schedules or a reduction of interest rates. But as increasing numbers of Belt and Road loans blow up, China has also found itself sucked in to providing “rescue” loans to some governments to prevent their debt distress from morphing into full-blown balance of payments crises. Bradley Parks, executive director of AidData at the College of William and Mary in the US, says that while the drip feed of rescue loans helps to avert defaults, it does little to resolve underlying financial problems. “I think Beijing is now learning that in some cases the fundamental problem is not liquidity but solvency,” says Parks. Parks says that for almost five years, China’s state financial institutions tried to keep the government of Sri Lanka liquid enough to service its old project debts and to avoid sovereign credit rating downgrades. However, he adds: “Their effort was a spectacular failure. So, the big question that Beijing needs to answer is whether it wants to be in the rescue lending business in the long run.” The transition that Parks alludes to is a critical one. As China has financed roads, railways, ports, airports and a gamut of other infrastructure over the past decade, it has found itself in competition with international development lenders — most notably the World Bank. Now, as its lending shifts to focus more on preventing defaults, it is starting to mirror the role usually fulfilled by the IMF — which provides emergency loans to get countries through economic crises. The magnitude of debt distress in Belt and Road countries is also capturing the attention of world leaders. In May, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz raised the alarm over China’s lending spree in poorer countries, particularly in Africa. “There is a really serious danger that the next major debt crisis in the global south will stem from loans that China has granted worldwide,” Scholz said. Such warnings reinforce a more general level of concern expressed by the World Bank last month that developing countries may be headed towards a debt crisis on a scale last seen in the 1980s. The war in Ukraine, rising inflation, tightening global financial conditions and tensions between the US and China are all underpinning such dire scenarios. “These are all material risks and if they materialise at the same time it will be a perfect storm for the global economy,” said Ayhan Kose, head of the World Bank’s forecasting unit. “So, of course, we are worried that more countries will be unable to roll over their debts.” Distress leading to a spate of bailouts China is fighting debt fires on several fronts. AidData has uncovered evidence of tens of billions of US dollars in “rescue loans” being extended by China’s state institutions generally in the form of short-term injections of hard currency that allow debtor countries to service their loans and avoid default. Countries receiving such loans so far have included Pakistan, Argentina, Belarus, Egypt, Mongolia, Nigeria, Turkey, Ukraine and Sri Lanka, AidData says. Each of these countries has a credit rating of “junk” from agencies such as Moody’s and Standard and Poor’s, meaning that the risk of default on their sovereign debt is regarded as significant. When defaults do occur, the economic and political effects can be swift. Sri Lanka, which has international debts of more than $50bn, has been wracked by severe shortages of essential goods since it effectively ran out of foreign currency reserves. President Gotabaya Rajapaksa was forced out of office last week after tens of thousands of people, angered by the shortages and soaring prices, marched in the capital Colombo and an angry throng occupied the president’s official residence. Protesters throng President Gotabaya Rajapaksa’s official residence Sri Lanka’s president was forced out of office last week after an angry throng occupied his official residence and tens of thousands protested against shortages and soaring prices © Rafiq Maqbool/AP Sri Lanka’s default was not caused solely by Chinese loans, which total about $5bn, but Beijing’s lending to the island state of 22mn people has proved particularly controversial. Critics argue that the Belt and Road credit was extended at high interest rates for infrastructure projects — like the Lotus Tower, and a port and an airport in the southern city of Hambantota — that have often failed to generate returns. The money from the binge in foreign borrowing was misspent on “ports, airports, cricket stadiums, all sorts of stupid-looking towers . . . all bullshit,” says Harsha de Silva, a member of parliament from Sri Lanka’s opposition Samagi Jana Balawegaya party. These mounting problems do not obscure the fact that the vast construction of infrastructure in many developing countries around the world with Chinese finance has helped to drive development. Examples of useful projects abound. A 750km railway line from Addis Ababa to Djibouti has cut the journey time between the Ethiopian capital to the key port from about three days to about 12 hours. Similarly, a new line from Mombasa to Nairobi in Kenya, which cost $3.2bn, cuts journey times significantly. Hydropower dams built by Chinese contractors in Uganda have been opened as destinations for tourists. Roads and pipelines built across Central Asia and south-east Asia have driven development in those countries. But where debt burdens prove unsustainable, China often finds itself obliged to issue new loans or face the broader distress that follows a default. Pakistan, the biggest single recipient of Belt and Road financing worldwide with a total of $62bn in Chinese finance pledges, is a case in point. Islamabad, which styles itself as China’s “all-weather friend”, has received a string of rescue loans aimed at averting a sovereign default. The latest was a $2.3bn facility under which a consortium of Chinese banks pledged last month to bolster the country’s supply of hard currency, allowing it to pay creditors for at least a while longer. Chinese construction workers head home from a building site in Colombo. Chinese construction workers in Colombo, Sri Lanka. Vast infrastructure projects in many developing countries around the world have been undertaken with Chinese finance © Paula Bronstein/Getty Images But Pakistan’s foreign exchange reserves remain on a knife edge, having fallen to less than two month’s worth of the cost of imports. Earlier this month, the IMF agreed to lend $1.2bn, part of a $7bn relief package, to avert a balance of payments crisis in the south Asian nation but analysts say Islamabad’s finances remain strained. Just as in Sri Lanka, there are questions in Pakistan over the viability of some infrastructure projects undertaken. A big port project in Gwadar, located on the Arabian Sea at the strategically important mouth to the Strait of Hormuz, has long been regarded as a jewel in the Belt and Road Initiative. But a company boss living in Gwadar, who declined further identification, says that construction on the port project has been mothballed. “There is almost nothing going on in terms of building. We keep on waiting for China’s promises to follow through but there has been very little so far,” he says. Another big recipient of Chinese loans is Zambia, which defaulted in 2020 on its external debt. China is Lusaka’s biggest bilateral lender with about $6bn out of the country’s $17bn of external debt. Zambia had been presented as a star of the Belt and Road Initiative on the African continent. As recently as 2019 — just months before the country’s default — the Chinese embassy in Lusaka was extolling the virtues of the scheme in a public statement. Indeed, the number of intended Belt and Road schemes in Zambia was breathtaking. A huge hydropower dam, two international airports, a railway connecting the country to Tanzania, two sports stadiums and a hospital have all been commissioned. China steps back from the Belt and Road Such financial problems are prompting a quiet but fundamental rethink in Beijing as economic risks around the world rise, says a senior government adviser in Beijing, who declined further identification. “A lot of investment in Belt and Road countries didn’t make commercial sense and was in effect a form of capital flight,” the adviser says. “What’s more, the economic prospects in many BRI countries, led by African ones, has worsened dramatically in recent years. That makes it more imperative for us to think twice before going on another lending spree.” In addition, China’s foreign exchange reserves — which peaked at nearly $4tn in 2014 — have fallen back to just over $3tn, making the hard currency that Chinese financial institutions use to lend to Belt and Road countries relatively scarce. Chen Zhiwu, professor of finance at the University of Hong Kong, also sees a clear downsizing under way. “Especially given the changed geopolitical landscape after [Russia’s] invasion of Ukraine, China is significantly downsizing the BRI,” he says. “I have not seen the BRI being mentioned so much at all in mainstream Chinese media. It is not the same BRI as a year or two ago.” Going it alone? The big question now facing China as debt distress spreads amid slowing global growth is whether and to what extent Beijing will participate in multilateral debt resolution programmes in Belt and Road countries. The destiny of several vulnerable emerging markets appears set to depend on the answer. Both Zambia and Sri Lanka are test cases. A multilateral approach is counter-intuitive for Beijing because the Belt and Road Initiative has from the start been designed with a strictly bilateral dynamic. The relationships forged have been between each debtor country and its creditors in Beijing, rather than between a collection of countries all enjoying a say. The secrecy embedded into the Belt and Road scheme, along with the multiplicity of participating Chinese financial institutions each with their own agenda, further complicates matters, bankers say. Some analysts say China has good reason to be cautious about signing up to a multilateral approach led by the IMF and the Paris Club group of wealthy creditor nations. Kevin Gallagher, head of the Global Development Policy Center at Boston University and an adviser to the Chinese government, says China has “legitimate criticisms” of the conditions attached to IMF programmes that are a prerequisite of sovereign debt restructuring. A line of smiling stewardesses on the Addis Ababa-Djibouti Railway Many of the Belt and Road projects, like the 750km railway line from the Ethiopian capital Addis Ababa to the key port of Djibouti, have helped drive development © Houssein Hersi /AFP/Getty Images “What kind of say are they going to have in something that is so driven by the French and the US?” he says. “They don’t think an austerity-led programme is the way to get a country out of recession.” In an online interview with Gallagher in November 2020, Zhongxia Jin, China’s executive director at the IMF, said that while IMF conditionality made sense “from a purely economic and theoretical point of view, [in practice] it is very painful for low-income countries . . . Our position on the board is that conditionality . . . should be growth friendly and growth oriented.” However, there are initial signs that Beijing may be willing to countenance at least a measure of co-operation. After months of resistance, Beijing last month sat down with France as co-chair of the official creditor committee representing Zambia’s bilateral lenders. This has brought Zambia a step closer to a $1.4bn rescue package from the IMF. But while the talks were described as constructive, western observers say it is far too early to assume that China will join collective action elsewhere, or even that Zambia’s case will reach a successful conclusion. “It is a commitment they have made,” said Emmanuel Moulin, head of the French Treasury and chair of the Paris Club, of China’s role in Zambia. “But now they need to deliver.” Its Belt and Road lending has helped to make China the world’s biggest bilateral lender. To the 74 countries classed as low-income by the World Bank, it is bigger than all other bilateral lenders combined. But its unwillingness to engage with other creditors in debt workouts has been a source of frustration at multilateral organisations. In a statement before last week’s meeting of finance ministers and central bank governors from the G20 group of large economies, Kristalina Georgieva, managing director of the IMF, issued the latest in a series of calls for urgent and decisive action on debt treatment “by all involved”. “Large lenders — both sovereign and private — need to step up and play their part,” she said. “Time is not on our side.”
 

I think India's arming of Armenia has to be seen in this context. Sure makes for strange bedfellows . Iran Russia Armenia India & for all you know tacit US blessings for this project on one side whereas the other side has China , All the Stans , Azerbaijan & Turkey in it . Makes for entertaining & exciting times ahead . Except Armenia should hold out . I'd rather India engage more whole heartedly with Armenia & extend it a line of credit for 500-1 billion USD which can serve to be a good platform for our wares besides extending full training facilities to their armed forces .


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I think India's arming of Armenia has to be seen in this context. Sure makes for strange bedfellows . Iran Russia Armenia India & for all you know tacit US blessings for this project on one side whereas the other side has China , All the Stans , Azerbaijan & Turkey in it . Makes for entertaining & exciting times ahead . Except Armenia should hold out . I'd rather India engage more whole heartedly with Armenia & extend it a line of credit for 500-1 billion USD which can serve to be a good platform for our wares besides extending full training facilities to their armed forces .


@Nilgiri ; @Bali78 ; @Milspec ; @suryakiran ; @Jaymax et al.

Pak forced our hand here. Pak encouraged by the Turks went all Islami biraadar on Azeris who till recently routinely got their backsides handed to them by the Armenians.

We are sending them WLRs, artillery and making noises about training them on their Su-30s and also providing munitions. The Armenians have just concluded a humiliating peace treaty and will be itching to hit back. This could be an ideal proving ground for our new weapons.
 
Pak forced our hand here. Pak encouraged by the Turks went all Islami biraadar on Azeris who till recently routinely got their backsides handed to them by the Armenians.

More Turdkey or rather Turdogan's itch to meddle into Kashmir & his conceiving of a grand alliance between Turdkey & all other Turkic nations on the one hand & create an alternative Sunni bloc on Qatari backing between Malaysia Pakistan & Turdkey.

But of course the Azeris should've been more prudent. I mean the Azeri president recently issued a statement saying Indian action was unfriendly . I mean what exactly was he expecting .

We are sending them WLRs, artillery and making noises about training them on their Su-30s and also providing munitions. The Armenians have just concluded a humiliating peace treaty and will be itching to hit back. This could be an ideal proving ground for our new weapons.

Unfortunately the Armenians are at their weakest ever . The only reason the recent round of hostilities broke out was because of Russian preoccupation. But there's still Iran in the mix . Iran is probably looking for an opportunity to give Azerbaijan it's comeuppance for traditionally Azerbaijan has always been under the Iranic sphere of influence except for what's happened in the past 2 centuries when Iran has to cede space to the Russian Empire & later the USSR.


Azerbaijan being the only other Shia majority & self governed state in recent times until the regime change in Iraq had instead decided to focus more on it's ethnicity than sect ( being Shia & Turkic in ethnicity they decided to back Turdkey instead of Iran which was it's traditional overlord throughout history ) .

To make matters worse they're pretty thick with Israel & a lot of espionage related activities in Iran is believed to have originated in Azerbaijan. Moreover the present supreme leader Khamenei & most of the ruling clique are Azeris of Iranian origin. There are more Azeris in Iran than there are in Azerbaijan much like the condition of Pashtuns in Pakistan vis a vis Afghanistan.


I think the Iranians are itching to cut the Azeris down to size but have refrained from it due to their own international ostracization but if Azerbaijan's larger plan seems to be to grab as much of Armenian land it can to create a bridge to Nakchivan thereby connecting to Turdkey then all bets are off .
 
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But of course the Azeris should've been more prudent. I mean the Azeri president recently issued a statement saying Indian action was unfriendly . I mean what exactly was he expecting .
You'd be surprised at the level of propaganda Paks do. They are busy painting the image of a paper tiger completely preoccupied with internal issues. Kind of like a rich fat man whose belly will open with a single sword cut. Historical instances of Turki invaders marauding through the Indus plain reinforce this view. Our Azeri friend sincerely believed we will do kadi ninda and then break for tea.

Do you know India has never won a war on the field. We lost 48, 62, 65 and Soviets won us the war in 71 and Sharif was bribed in 99. I kid you not this is the belief being peddled to whoever will stop and listen to the Paks.

Azeri long term goal is to mooch as possible off the Islami coalition while securing a land corridor which they believe will open up economic opportunities. Oil revenues on aging soviet designed infra wont last forever you know.
 
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@_Anonymous_ While we are talking about OBOR, whats your take on the Financial Megaton meltdown China is working so hard to contain?
Hard to predict since I've been seeing videos & hearing of this great meltdown since 2008 . They're in a soup no doubt about that . I think the real problems will come later in this decade towards the close of it & next decade when the China + 1 strategy comes into play & they haven't yet transitioned into a consumer based domestic economy.

Plus to make matters worse for them EU on whom they were banking on to pursue an independent economic & diplomatic line are themselves in a soup.

The prognosis for China EU & the rest of the world isn't good . Even we ought to be used to 5-7% growth in GDP - the new "Hindu" rate of growth not only for India but the rest of the world except that going into the future , nations would be extremely lucky to register such rates of growth consistently.


Let's get @Nilgiri & @Bali78 opinions here . They'd have a much more informed take on this issue.
 

I think India's arming of Armenia has to be seen in this context. Sure makes for strange bedfellows . Iran Russia Armenia India & for all you know tacit US blessings for this project on one side whereas the other side has China , All the Stans , Azerbaijan & Turkey in it . Makes for entertaining & exciting times ahead . Except Armenia should hold out . I'd rather India engage more whole heartedly with Armenia & extend it a line of credit for 500-1 billion USD which can serve to be a good platform for our wares besides extending full training facilities to their armed forces .


@Nilgiri ; @Bali78 ; @Milspec ; @suryakiran ; @Jaymax et al.
It's confusing to have Israel on the Arezbaijain side and India on the Armenian side.
 
It's confusing to have Israel on the Arezbaijain side and India on the Armenian side.
It also means we've arrived at the big boys table. All along we used to be in the Azerbaijan Armenia position. We still haven't quite exited that role but we've come a long way from 1971 or even 1999.
 
(just about the vid'): when i hear about multi-modal corridors, i always remind:
Between Asia and Europe a goods train, "road", takes 17 days from Chongquing to Duisburg in Germany, crossing a number of risky countries, whereas the sea route, "belt", takes twice as long, in an international area if one excludes the straits. So the train is twice as fast, but costs three times as much. It represents only 1% of traffic in volume, with a train carrying only 40 containers, compared with 22,000 on a modern ship. The number of freight train journeys from China to Europe reached 3,000 in 2017 and is expected to rise by a third in 2018 to 4,000 journeys. At maximum without contingencies, rail traffic would take only 15% of the maritime traffic between Asia and Europe. A container ship is a 150 km train...
 
(just about the vid'): when i hear about multi-modal corridors, i always remind:
Between Asia and Europe a goods train, "road", takes 17 days from Chongquing to Duisburg in Germany, crossing a number of risky countries, whereas the sea route, "belt", takes twice as long, in an international area if one excludes the straits. So the train is twice as fast, but costs three times as much. It represents only 1% of traffic in volume, with a train carrying only 40 containers, compared with 22,000 on a modern ship. The number of freight train journeys from China to Europe reached 3,000 in 2017 and is expected to rise by a third in 2018 to 4,000 journeys. At maximum without contingencies, rail traffic would take only 15% of the maritime traffic between Asia and Europe. A container ship is a 150 km train...
This route the video is referring to from Azerbaijan via Turkey to Europe is more about the O&G pipeline .

For that they need a land bridge across Armenia to connect with the Nakchivan province of Azerbaijan which today is an enclave between Turkey Armenia & Iran , before it connects to Turkey & from there onwards to various destinations in Europe .

That's what the current Azeri Armenian conflict is all about . You can say it's a Syria redux movement on a much smaller scale.
 
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