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Deathstar said:
Musharraf ruled over Pakistan despite the humiliation he received in Kargil and moreover he was made COAS despite humiliation in Siachen LoL stop living in fantasy
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Forget siachen.talk about kargil.during the first month of kargil,what happened to your army? Even foreigners have written about it.you lost more men than Pak army.you killed more mujahadeen but very least number of Pak army troops.this is a well known fact.what is cold start doctrine? A copy of Musharraf kargil? You are even following our war doctrine.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Yes and beating on ground was also ordered.i mean come on,at least accept your weakness. Accept that we did well overall.i have no idea about f-16 but I am sure abhinandan was treated well here.we aren't animals.india is a country which will not sit back silently if it's mig went down somewhere.you wanted to attack pakistan on feb28.what was the reason of anger? Can you explain?airspace closed and still chances of air battle.why iaf want more air battle? You should explain it.
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You were forced to return him in mere 2 days
We returned 90000 of yours after 2 years of slavery in Indian jails
more humiliation is one of the PoW of 1971 released by India was made PAF cheif Pervez Mehdi Qureshi
 
Arsalan123 said:
A war hero only for india.others called it humiliation.we have won Feb 27 decisively despite so much chest thumping from your side.bigger will not always win.why you always bring Bangladesh to remind me about your victory? Are you weak?this is sign of weakness general.
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A war hero and "AN ACE PILOT " for shooting down a 4th generation premier Fighter Aircraft and crest jewel of the PAF with a 3rd generation 60 year old designed FA.

Bangladesh, Siachen, Kargil and now 26th & 27th Feb is to remind you that - Paani mein rehkar magar se bair nahin lete.

The only sign of weakness was from Pakistan by Dimran & General Bajwa le bund, who released Wing Co Abhinandan within 48 hours after serving him tea and giving him Jamai treatment ( is this naya Pakistan?) , after US informed your two jokers that if he wasn't released, Karachi would go up in flames, all your major air bases would be targeted with Brahmos as declared by PM Modi terming it Qatl ki Raat.

GHQ Pindi, soiled their pants. So did Dimran & his cabinet. Since then Brown Shalwars are trending in Islamabad. Of course, Brown camouflages is standard issue for PA since 1965 in clear anticipation of 1971.
 
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Arsalan123 said:
Forget siachen.talk about kargil.during the first month of kargil,what happened to your army? Even foreigners have written about it.you lost more men than Pak army.you killed more mujahadeen but very least number of Pak army troops.this is a well known fact.what is cold start doctrine? A copy of Musharraf kargil? You are even following our war doctrine.
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Hahaha rats from Northern light infantry dressed as Mujhahideens were killed by Indian army nad it was but obvious cz Pak army occupied higher positions so it was in advantage yet rats were killed
Please go check videos of Pak soldiers pow during Kargil interview telling how they ran from their posts
 
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A war hero and "AN ACE PILOT " for shooting down a 4th generation premier Fighter Aircraft and crest jewel of the PAF with a 3rd generation 60 year old designed FA.

Bangladesh, Siachen, Kargil and now 26th & 27th Feb is to remind you that - Paani mein rehkar magar se bair nahin lete.

The only sign of weakness was from Pakistan by Dimran & General Bajwa le bund, who released Wing Co Abhinandan within 48 hours after serving him tea and giving him Jamai treatment ( is this naya Pakistan?) , after US informed your two jokers that if he wasn't released, Karachi would go up in flames, all your major air bases would be targeted with Brahmos as declared by PM Modi terming it Qatl ki Raat.

GHQ Pindi, soiled their pants. So did Dimran & his cabinet. Since then Brown Shalwars are trending in Islamabad. Of course, Brown camouflages is standard issue for PA since 1965 in clear anticipation of 1971.
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A war hero or icon of sin? With blood on his face and beaten badly,what do you expected from Pakistan? We served him well.gave him proper treatment.you should be thankful to us.
 
Arsalan123 said:
Forget siachen.talk about kargil.during the first month of kargil,what happened to your army? Even foreigners have written about it.you lost more men than Pak army.you killed more mujahadeen but very least number of Pak army troops.this is a well known fact.what is cold start doctrine? A copy of Musharraf kargil? You are even following our war doctrine.
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And why shouldn't we talk about Siachen
Reason mushi did Kargil to get Siachen in return right?
 
Deathstar said:
Hahaha rats from Northern light infantry dressed as Mujhahideens were killed by Indian army nad it was but obvious cz Pak army occupied higher positions so it was in advantage yet rats were killed
Please go check videos of Pak soldiers pow during Kargil interview telling how they ran from their posts
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Some say it soldiers without coffins.
 
Arsalan123 said:
A war hero or icon of sin? With blood on his face and beaten badly,what do you expected from Pakistan? We served him well.gave him proper treatment.you should be thankful to us.
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Icon of sin? That would be "Tiger" Niazi and Yahya Khan who was busy enjoying Mujras while Dhaka was falling and Gen Tikka Khan for conducting Operation Searchlight.

You still didn't answer me. Why is Niazi called"Tiger "Niazi and not Bhigi Billi Niazi.
 

Here, Paddy. Further proof that the Romans were wise, which is why the Roman Empire lasted a good 1400 years, whereas the avaricious British were smart, tangled with a bunch of potato growing drunks masquerading as peasants & whose empire collapsed in less than 200 years.

Oh yes! Before I forget , Heil Hitler and thank you De Valera & Michael Collins for sticking it into the Brits before & during WW-2. I still think De Valera's response to Churchmouse's appeal to Ireland to shed it's neutrality and support Britain on its efforts against Germany is one of the best ripostes of the 20 th century.
 
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Here, Paddy. Further proof that the Romans were wise, which is why the Roman Empire lasted a good 1400 years, whereas the avaricious British were smart, tangled with a bunch of potato growing drunks masquerading as peasants & whose empire collapsed in less than 200 years.

Oh yes! Before I forget , Heil Hitler and thank you De Valera & Michael Collins for sticking it into the Brits before & during WW-2. I still think De Valera's response to Churchmouse's appeal to Ireland to shed it's neutrality and support Britain on its efforts against Germany is one of the best ripostes of the 20 th century.
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@BMD
 
_Anonymous_, were you dropped on your head as a child and how many times?
 
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Arsalan123 said:
This is the biggest problem.pakistan and China both don't accept indian dominance.we will never accept dominance.friendship between countries and good relations only possible if you solve core problems.
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When you make statements like this, the reaction you will get will not be to your liking. Drawing an analogy from the lawyers protest against Pervert Busharraf for you here - Ae mere forum ke sajeele Arsalan, is forum ke saare joote tumhare lie hain

India is not here to dominate. Hell India does not even care for Pakistan. If you think India is trying to dominate China then probably its time to cut back on the Afghani Maal.

All India wants is you to leave us alone while we make our economic journey, but like the proverbial tick on an elephant's back here you are.
 
Reviewing IAF chronicle thread.

I've just copy paste d some of the point s from Parikrama s post.

@Falcon @Paro @BlackOpsIndia @randomradio @_Anonymous_

- It was mutially agreed that Rafale F4.2 and beyond standard technology will flow in DRDO authorised Units and DRAL Ecosystem.
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New Delhi made two more important disclosures

1. The Super Su 30 Upgrade will have Israel as a technology consultant cum guide for all the whole project for upgrade.

2. A Indian private sector company will be part of this upgrade plan and will partner HAL for MKI Upgrade.

Its expected to have a certain highest possible technology access from a American Major Raytheon among some other entities for Avionics and with Israeli Companies for major systems/subsystems and French portions too.

perhaps Tata may be offered a role as the pvt sector company in MKI upgrade.
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Unless again PM Modi does a U Turn and embraces Russia despite of all this, the chances are more or less limited for the Russia participation into future aircraft platforms..

We might see them with AD deals , Tank deals and Navy deals more.

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4.On super upgrade, Thales is coming up with a bigger size and higher powered RBE 2 AESA radar for Super MKI.


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3. LCA Tejas has been given a strict deadline for FOC by Dec 18 failing which there will be a severe curtailment of future orders for HAL and its ecosystem. HAL products will be moved further into the private sector.

4. LCA MK1A iteration is also given a deadline by mid of 2020 failing which Mk1A program will be wound up.

5. These deadlines have been given with extra time to ensure no more additional time is needed to be given.

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10. The radars, EW, AAMS and network-centric abilities will be given a big boost in Super MKI in order to perform a big role in future missions and communicate freely with Rafales. Primarily limited OEM involvement is planned and a Pvt company will be given a role in this as well.

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Dec 20 2017

Chatter on Russian side summit update

Possible deals to be of
1. Fresh batch of Mi 17 V5 helos
2. Approx 300-400 new T-90MS
3. A big size deal (possible deals include 4 frigates or 2+ squad MKIs among other stuff)

All other deals need further discussion including ka226, SSN lease, S400 and Super MKI (as disclosed earlier)

An IGA will be signed soon followed by actual contract in next 6 months.

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  1. If MOD/PMO does not call a proper block 70 for a practical test, the F-16 deal would be put out for the quiet burial as planned in dragging of timelines.
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If you recall the old MMRCA saga there was a particular point fo 2.7x manhours for a HAL produced Rafale. The issue was not just the manpower and manhours required. It was also bcz of the tools and the process followed in HAL versus in Merignac. The tools could have been sourced from the same vendor like Merignac line suppliers but HAL chose to ask for tender and open it up for lowest quote side implying the quality parameters cant be quantified as per the process in Merignac, The same tool and machinery set might require additional qualification tests to know if there is a acceptable median in performance and quality parameters as compared to original production line's end product + minor modifications to cross-validate.


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French allowed the network-centric technology flow with custom hardware from Israel and full coding by India. This changes the whole game.

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  • To this DM NS said as part of 36 Rafale deal, a specific set of communication and data transfer technology and infrastructure had been provided to us by France at a heavily discounted price which IAF has latched on to at the very first opportunity.
  • This infra is now further planned for next boost as well in the MII orders as the more sophisticated version is given access by France as part of the netwo9rk centric warfare capability.
  • Such infra capabilities were not first allowed for India at all and with FMS deals, the associated cost is humongous when compared to deals under discussion
  • To explain it DM NS said IAF has taken this new technology from France into account allowing a massive boost and allowing the most sophisticated drones like Avengers NG to be operated seamlessly.
  • Frequency band and UL/DL speed is at par with USA infra itself under this plan and Cost is very very cheap.

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Safranised Kaveri
  • Safransied Kaveri is on a bench in France
  • The progress is defined as
    • M-88 Core insertion and seamless integration.
    • The whole Engine recheck part by part/component by component
    • Ceramic refit in certain key components done.
    • Cooling design for overall and for HP zone + turbine part has been changed.
    • Marked increased planned with these changes from present number of 1700K entry temperature zone
    • A separate overloaded afterburn testing has been initiated with these changes with the planned performance upgrades.
    • Other bench tests planned in coming days
    • A status report has been submitted by French side to MOD / IAF.

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Jan 18, 2018

Also another small gem is planned...

Will give all a single hint - Summer is going to get very hot... very very hot... A bluff will be called in open.. Either way if the gem goes through, the whole situation will change for our country forever


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Reviewing IAF chronicle thread.

I've just copy paste d some of the point s from Parikrama s post.

@Falcon @Paro @BlackOpsIndia @randomradio @_Anonymous_

- It was mutially agreed that Rafale F4.2 and beyond standard technology will flow in DRDO authorised Units and DRAL Ecosystem.
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No.

New Delhi made two more important disclosures

1. The Super Su 30 Upgrade will have Israel as a technology consultant cum guide for all the whole project for upgrade.

2. A Indian private sector company will be part of this upgrade plan and will partner HAL for MKI Upgrade.

Its expected to have a certain highest possible technology access from a American Major Raytheon among some other entities for Avionics and with Israeli Companies for major systems/subsystems and French portions too.

perhaps Tata may be offered a role as the pvt sector company in MKI upgrade.
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No to all.

4.On super upgrade, Thales is coming up with a bigger size and higher powered RBE 2 AESA radar for Super MKI.
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Obviously no.

3. LCA Tejas has been given a strict deadline for FOC by Dec 18 failing which there will be a severe curtailment of future orders for HAL and its ecosystem. HAL products will be moved further into the private sector.
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No. And why should HAL be punished because ADA is late?

4. LCA MK1A iteration is also given a deadline by mid of 2020 failing which Mk1A program will be wound up.
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No.

10. The radars, EW, AAMS and network-centric abilities will be given a big boost in Super MKI in order to perform a big role in future missions and communicate freely with Rafales. Primarily limited OEM involvement is planned and a Pvt company will be given a role in this as well.
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No.

If MOD/PMO does not call a proper block 70 for a practical test, the F-16 deal would be put out for the quiet burial as planned in dragging of timelines.
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No.

French allowed the network-centric technology flow with custom hardware from Israel and full coding by India. This changes the whole game.

To this DM NS said as part of 36 Rafale deal, a specific set of communication and data transfer technology and infrastructure had been provided to us by France at a heavily discounted price which IAF has latched on to at the very first opportunity.

This infra is now further planned for next boost as well in the MII orders as the more sophisticated version is given access by France as part of the netwo9rk centric warfare capability.

Such infra capabilities were not first allowed for India at all and with FMS deals, the associated cost is humongous when compared to deals under discussion

To explain it DM NS said IAF has taken this new technology from France into account allowing a massive boost and allowing the most sophisticated drones like Avengers NG to be operated seamlessly.

Frequency band and UL/DL speed is at par with USA infra itself under this plan and Cost is very very cheap.
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No to all.
 
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