Pralay and Shaurya: Conventional Strike Surface-to-Surface Missiles

They should make a better TEL + keep getting new iteration & version over time.
Supposedly 750km strategic system

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vs this tactical one.:censored:
 
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Yes, that's the ~400mm part, for which we have options as you mentioned. We need something in the ~600mm part that is currently missing. A 150km range ~300mm rocket is also in the works.

It could be the reason BEL is pursuing a license for the production of LORA.

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Yes, but Pralay will be very expensive. I think it will be limited by replacing the Prithvi role in the Indian Army/Indian Air Force unless they establish a new rocket force.
Apparently, Turkey is also working on a ballistic missile with a diameter of around ~600 mm called Tayfun/Bora.


Everyone is working on similar class of missile. CTM290 of South Korea, LORA of Israel, ATACMS, Chinese got multiple, KN-25 of North Korea.

When will we start working on one?
 
Apparently, Turkey is also working on a ballistic missile with a diameter of around ~600 mm called Tayfun/Bora.


Everyone is working on similar class of missile. CTM290 of South Korea, LORA of Israel, ATACMS, Chinese got multiple, KN-25 of North Korea.

When will we start working on one?
I said once or twice in a prahar nissile thread in past ( not in this forum i guess) that diameter is more important in tactical missiles, we need to develop a missile like atcams or ISKANDER. Lot of indian fan boys were given a buffoon smiley back then, just like one member in this forum doing now.
 
Every undian ballistic missiles & ISRO's Rockets are heavy with respect to the western & Russian counterparts. Probably due to less advanced propulsion system.
The method of judging the technical level of this rocket using solid fuel is very simple, the shorter and thicker the missile, the higher the technical level, because it reflects the difficulty of processing the missile shell and the launcher column
 
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Iskander is a hypersonic missile with twin vertebral warheads. The Indian missile, more like a large rocket, is similar to Iran's early products
Iskander is a typical SRBM like the Pralay. Both missiles go hypersonic in their terminal stage. BMs, even quasi BMs, aren't typically called hypersonic missiles.
The method of judging the technical level of this rocket using solid fuel is very simple, the shorter and thicker the missile, the higher the technical level, because it reflects the difficulty of processing the missile shell and the launcher column
That could be true on some occasions, given all other variables are the same. But is most cases this is not a true statement at all.

Using your method one can say that the ENTAC ATGM is more advanced than the Akeron MP ATGM.

ENTAC:
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Akeron MP:
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ENTAC is certainly shorter & stubbier, but is nowhere close to the level of technology of the Akeron MP.
 
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Iskander is a typical SRBM like the Pralay. Both missiles go hypersonic in their terminal stage. BMs, even quasi BMs, aren't typically called hypersonic missiles.
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Hypersonic missiles generally have two standards, the first is to reach a speed of Mach 5 or more at the end, and the second has the ability to glide and maneuver in the atmosphere, the Indian missile can do the first, but its trajectory is a traditional parabola, Iskander missile warhead is two different taper vertebrae, the front cone is sharp to reduce resistance, the rear cone is gentle to increase lift. This design generates lift at high speeds (such as 9-12 times the speed of sound), allowing the warhead to glide over the edge of the atmosphere rather than the parabolic trajectory of a traditional ballistic missile.
 
That could be true on some occasions, given all other variables are the same. But is most cases this is not a true statement at all.

Using your method one can say that the ENTAC ATGM is more advanced than the Akeron MP ATGM.
I'm talking about traditional ballistic rockets, for example, Iranian and Indian missiles, which are generally elongated like pencils
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Because the propellant of a solid rocket is gradually burned from the middle to the four sides, in order to improve the range and load of the missile, it is necessary to make the missile shell as thick as possible to improve the burning time of the propellant
The solid missiles of other countries, such as South Korea, North Korea and China, are significantly thicker
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Hypersonic missiles generally have two standards, the first is to reach a speed of Mach 5 or more at the end, and the second has the ability to glide and maneuver in the atmosphere, the Indian missile can do the first, but its trajectory is a traditional parabola, Iskander missile warhead is two different taper vertebrae, the front cone is sharp to reduce resistance, the rear cone is gentle to increase lift. This design generates lift at high speeds (such as 9-12 times the speed of sound), allowing the warhead to glide over the edge of the atmosphere rather than the parabolic trajectory of a traditional ballistic missile.
The body lift from differential tapering will allow limited glide/maneuverability. The trajectory will change from a pure parabolic to a modified parabolic. But it is certainly not enough to call this a proper hypersonic glide vehicle. In the recent Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Iskanders were intercepted with Barak 8 missiles.

Agni-3 missiles have a similar differential tapering for their 3rd stage & payload. The Agni-3's last stage also had some hypergolic RCS thrusters:
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Nobody is claiming that this is a glide vehicle.

The Pralay is meant to be a cheap & reliable SRBM. That is the role of that missile. As such, it is not going to have all the bells & whistles that comes with strategic BMs.
I'm talking about traditional ballistic rockets, for example, Iranian and Indian missiles, which are generally elongated like pencils
Depends on which Indian missiles you are looking at:
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Because the propellant of a solid rocket is gradually burned from the middle to the four sides, in order to improve the range and load of the missile, it is necessary to make the missile shell as thick as possible to improve the burning time of the propellant
That missile in the photo is the Agni-2. This was never a ground up development. This missile was a derivative of the ISRO's SLV-3:
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It's not ideal to switch a space launcher into a BM. But we needed a missile quick & SLV-3 was around. So, we used it. The Agni-2 was never seriously considered for a military role & by some estimates less than 12 are in service today.
 
Under 5m, it will carry MMW seeker, it's under 10m already, maybe They are trying to bring down at the level of brahmos
A SRBM with CEP as good as a Cruise missile like BrahMos is ground-breaking, as the cost per unit should be much lower. So we could fire more missiles per target and get the job done at a lower cost.

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Hypersonic missiles generally have two standards, the first is to reach a speed of Mach 5 or more at the end, and the second has the ability to glide and maneuver in the atmosphere, the Indian missile can do the first, but its trajectory is a traditional parabola, Iskander missile warhead is two different taper vertebrae, the front cone is sharp to reduce resistance, the rear cone is gentle to increase lift. This design generates lift at high speeds (such as 9-12 times the speed of sound), allowing the warhead to glide over the edge of the atmosphere rather than the parabolic trajectory of a traditional ballistic missile.
Pralay is derived from B-05/K-15/Shaurya, so it is not only hypersonic but it manuevers all-throughout its way towards the target(with a CEP of under 5m, lol). It is a very bad news for you and your p o r k i brothers;)
 
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Hypersonic missiles generally have two standards, the first is to reach a speed of Mach 5 or more at the end, and the second has the ability to glide and maneuver in the atmosphere, the Indian missile can do the first, but its trajectory is a traditional parabola, Iskander missile warhead is two different taper vertebrae, the front cone is sharp to reduce resistance, the rear cone is gentle to increase lift. This design generates lift at high speeds (such as 9-12 times the speed of sound), allowing the warhead to glide over the edge of the atmosphere rather than the parabolic trajectory of a traditional ballistic missile.
Pralay is a quasi ballistic missiles in nature, it's a derivative of k15 family, it has fins on the missile warhead from the Agni series, and trapezoid fins in the missile body, just like it's predecessor k15, shaurya,

This is because the missile body is retained in the reentry phase to follow the quasi ballistic trajectory, k15 uses it's missile body to generate lift to perform skip glide trajectory in the atmosphere, as it doesn't go very high altitudes, to which it appears later in the target horizon, decreasing the response time, they can maneuver much more than the marv, and pralay is 3rd gen of the k15 family, it follows steady glide trajectory, and has terminal Speed of Mach 6,

And the Agni 2 is a 2 solid fuel stages followed by post boast vechile on the RV, it had it's flaws but drdo worked around it for year's,
 
A SRBM with CEP as good as a Cruise missile like BrahMos is ground-breaking, as the cost per unit should be much lower. So we could fire more missiles per target and get the job done at a lower cost.


Pralay is derived from B-05/K-15/Shaurya, so it is not only hypersonic but it manuevers all-throughout its way towards the target(with a CEP of under 5m, lol). It is a very bad news for you and your p o r k i brothers;)
 

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