Pralay and Shaurya: Conventional Strike Surface-to-Surface Missiles

We don't have to match their missile numbers, some of them such as DF15 are absolutely horrendous with 100 m CEP, many of them are quite accurate and capable as well. Our Pralays in good numbers will be enough to destroy their airbases in a pre emptive strike and negate their aerial advantage as they do not have 5th generation VTOL aircraft such as F35 which can take off and assertion air dominance without runaways. Their Hotan airbase only has 2 runways.

Our airbases will also likely get destroyed so the entire thing will become a ground war primarily and I have full confidence in the Indian Army to thwart the Chinese.
Agree, it's not about matching the Chinese 1:1. It's about how many targets China (and others India will need to simultaneously engage) generates and the numbers needed to defeat the AD at each target. I am sure South Block has this figured out.
 
We don't have to match their missile numbers, some of them such as DF15 are absolutely horrendous with 100 m CEP, many of them are quite accurate and capable as well. Our Pralays in good numbers will be enough to destroy their airbases in a pre emptive strike and negate their aerial advantage as they do not have 5th generation VTOL aircraft such as F35 which can take off and assertion air dominance without runaways. Their Hotan airbase only has 2 runways.

Our airbases will also likely get destroyed so the entire thing will become a ground war primarily and I have full confidence in the Indian Army to thwart the Chinese.
Its not about matching, its about need.


Again.

The ability of our aerial vector being able to penetrate chinese defenses will diminish by a lot, due to their aerial superiority, forcing our jets to rely mostly on standoff munitions for any cross border attack,to compliment this land based rocket/missile force is essential.
 
Even with Brahmos complexity we have produced thousands already, Pralay is relatively simpler to produce, perhaps harder to store. We need to mass produce Pralays at the earliest.
Yes about Brahmos, but that has happened across 3 or more blocks (each of which is different from the other) and batches. Moreover, Brahmos has gone into tri services in 4 different possible config , land - air - ship (2 types VLS & inclined) and a submarine version (which was made as close possible with k-15 launch, the underwater booster concept). Therefore in comparison to Pralay it was numerous and different user group each responsible for upkeeping their own stocks. It means the total work was shared.
Pralay is not yet that versatile or numerous platform capable. It might be in future but at present or till 2030-32 when the delivery of the existing orderbook will be completed for the 370 missiles after which another 1-1.5 year for the sustaining orders to be placed, will be placed at roughly 10-15% of original order each year & by upgrading different systems. AMC kicks in after completion of delivery of each batch and runs for 10 years then renewed as per. Therefore as per your budget allowance a savvy user make plan accordingly.

An amateur user would clear orders quickly without thinking twice, but an experienced user will demand continuous upgrades across batches therefore the missile delived in first lot, and the one delivered at last there will be certain improvements in between. Todays missiles are system of systems. It is run with computerised programs stored in the obc. It means heavy use of codes, and where there is coding there is also huge amount of glitches that need continuous updates. Mfg agency will not do that on their own (contrary to popular belief that Solar Industries would do everything etc, once they become OEM you will hear the negatives coming out for their products as well), that work is to be done by DRDO as per user demand because IPR is with them.

A savvy user also plans in effective way, so what if your war does not come in 2030 or 2035, rather it comes in 2042? There you have a large batch possibly shelf life expired or developed faults which render good % off a batch needing refurb work? If you had cleared a mass order without thinking & was still serving you would certainly be held accountable & action taken by the service. This is why provisions are kept so at a short notice of 8-15 months the production can be increased multifold. Money in hand is better than spending it unwisely.
Our airbases will also likely get destroyed so the entire thing will become a ground war primarily and I have full confidence in the Indian Army to thwart the Chinese.
Count the number of airfields, civilian airports, runways & airstrips available in the eastern zone alone. It can be done via flightradar website.

If destroying everything in few go were THAT easy as you were making out then frankly 10 years olds would be service generals & DGMOs. I do not blame you, rather the video game habit which shape the thought process like you exhibit here. This is devoid of logic and practical sense.

Both you and your adversary knows the pitfalls of warfare escalation. The reason chinese know they can not press too much is because with our escalation a good chunk of their territory they will not be able to recover due to the terrain involved in the Eastern & North east sector. Many rounds of airstrikes will not change the ground territory holding capacity that IA possess, just like in Ukr. Loads of airstrike, but ground action progress is limited.
 
Yes about Brahmos, but that has happened across 3 or more blocks (each of which is different from the other) and batches. Moreover, Brahmos has gone into tri services in 4 different possible config , land - air - ship (2 types VLS & inclined) and a submarine version (which was made as close possible with k-15 launch, the underwater booster concept). Therefore in comparison to Pralay it was numerous and different user group each responsible for upkeeping their own stocks. It means the total work was shared.
Pralay is not yet that versatile or numerous platform capable. It might be in future but at present or till 2030-32 when the delivery of the existing orderbook will be completed for the 370 missiles after which another 1-1.5 year for the sustaining orders to be placed, will be placed at roughly 10-15% of original order each year & by upgrading different systems. AMC kicks in after completion of delivery of each batch and runs for 10 years then renewed as per. Therefore as per your budget allowance a savvy user make plan accordingly.

An amateur user would clear orders quickly without thinking twice, but an experienced user will demand continuous upgrades across batches therefore the missile delived in first lot, and the one delivered at last there will be certain improvements in between. Todays missiles are system of systems. It is run with computerised programs stored in the obc. It means heavy use of codes, and where there is coding there is also huge amount of glitches that need continuous updates. Mfg agency will not do that on their own (contrary to popular belief that Solar Industries would do everything etc, once they become OEM you will hear the negatives coming out for their products as well), that work is to be done by DRDO as per user demand because IPR is with them.

A savvy user also plans in effective way, so what if your war does not come in 2030 or 2035, rather it comes in 2042? There you have a large batch possibly shelf life expired or developed faults which render good % off a batch needing refurb work? If you had cleared a mass order without thinking & was still serving you would certainly be held accountable & action taken by the service. This is why provisions are kept so at a short notice of 8-15 months the production can be increased multifold. Money in hand is better than spending it unwisely.

Count the number of airfields, civilian airports, runways & airstrips available in the eastern zone alone. It can be done via flightradar website.

If destroying everything in few go were THAT easy as you were making out then frankly 10 years olds would be service generals & DGMOs. I do not blame you, rather the video game habit which shape the thought process like you exhibit here. This is devoid of logic and practical sense.

Both you and your adversary knows the pitfalls of warfare escalation. The reason chinese know they can not press too much is because with our escalation a good chunk of their territory they will not be able to recover due to the terrain involved in the Eastern & North east sector. Many rounds of airstrikes will not change the ground territory holding capacity that IA possess, just like in Ukr. Loads of airstrike, but ground action progress is limited.
Chinese has thousands of ballistic missiles and cruise missiles many of which are even moderately accurate so even if we have a lot of air strips and air bases, most of them will be badly damaged or under continous fire from Chinese rockets and ballistic missiles. This is an unfortunate fact which is definitely going to affect and degrade our air power, which is why I clearly said it will turn into a primarily land based war which we can definitely fight. I never said Chinese strikes will affect the land holding capability of the Indian Army rather opposite, I said Indian Army can definitely thwart any Chinese incursion in such an event.

I highly doubt China can even gain any meaningful piece of land in such a conflict.
 
This is the thing with older retired people, they manage to push every single scientific thing they have read about while doing own research into what they are explaining. The military aspect part he is correct about. But technology aspect, everything is fair game.
He explained digital scene matching, MaRV function, hypersonic scramjet propulsion everything wrt Pralay working method. Usually it is laser altimeter/radio altimeter which might be used in pralay case, instead of digital scene matching.
DSMAC and Laser altimeter both can be present in the missile as a Multi-layered\Hybrid guidance system, this is not new, missiles are already using simialr system.
 
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https://x.com/ANI/status/2049746160454390189

ANI National Security Summit 2.0: DRDO Chairman Dr Samir V Kamat says, "For short-range ballistic missiles, the Pralay is now in the final stages of testing. With respect to hypersonic, we are working on two programs, the hypersonic glide missile and the hypersonic cruise missiles. The glide missile will come out first. We should be doing the first trials fairly soon. And that is at a more advanced stage than the cruise missile. The cruise missile program has not yet been sanctioned, although we are working on the various technologies which will get into the cruise missile..."

"For short-range ballistic missiles, the Pralay is now in the final stages of testing and should be ready. Then we have some of our strategic missiles, which can be converted to tactical usage for the medium range and the long range. With respect to hypersonic, we are working on two programs, the hypersonic glide missile and the hypersonic cruise missiles. The hypersonic cruise missiles is one which has a scramjet engine and it is powered during its flight. The hypersonic glide missile is a missile which uses a booster to give it initial velocity, and then it just glides without any powering. The glide missile will come out first. We should be doing the first trials fairly soon. And that is at a more advanced stage than the cruise missile. The cruise missile program has not yet been sanctioned, although we are working on the various technologies which will get into the cruise missile. Recently, we have done a scramjet propulsion for more than 1,000 seconds. So that's been a major achievement, and once the program is sanctioned, we'll convert the scramjet propulsion into a working missile system. And I think that should take about five years after the sanction."