Pralay and Shaurya: Conventional Strike Surface-to-Surface Missiles

Tactical Ballistic missiles are not used for attacking cities.
Sure. China has filed an affidavit to that effect & shared the contents with you .


A balance sheet of 2022 on the achievements vs lack of it from manchild would be much appreciated . At least it'd silence the likes of me here .
 
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Number seems to too low??

Russia is using almost 100 missiles / day ..
This is for initial production run. This is how our missile procurement is done. Rest to sure that we shall have thousands of Pralay in the coming years.
There's another bit of doctrinal stuff we need to sort out . Most of our major cities in the plains are within 4-500 kms of the LAC. However all the major cities of China are located along the west east centre & north east of China , on an average some 2-3000 kms away .

If things get really nasty this needs to be factored in . Ofcourse in that case , it could also go nuclear. However , both India & China have a NFU though nobody's sure if China'd stick to it .

Plenty of dilemmas for the Indian security establishment.
You raise a very good point. But kindly remember that Shaurya has entered production two years ago. And it will bring "conventional" pain to China mainland if they dare attack our cities and infrastructure.

Prahaar 2(Pranash) with 200 km range. Pralay with 500+ km range. And Shaurya with 1500-2000 km range. Perfect combination of tactical and theater missile force to counter PLARF.

Do you hear the echo?

~2022~
Hell Yeah!
Initial numbers. Will naturally increase. Production should happen for at least 20 years.
Spot on as usual👍
 
But kindly remember that Shaurya has entered production two years ago. And it will bring "conventional" pain to China mainland if they dare attack our cities and infrastructure.

Prahaar 2(Pranash) with 200 km range. Pralay with 500+ km range. And Shaurya with 1500-2000 km range. Perfect force of tactical and theater missile force to counter PLARF.
Not true. Services did not asked for Shaurya or Prahaar. Shaurya is land version of K-15/B-05, it never entered production. Prahaar was the reaction to Pakistani Nasr missile. Then DRDO chief took it upon himself to create a comparable missile in a record time. They took the Ashwin interceptor and removed unnecessary things and made it a BM.

Pralay comes from actual service requirement. Two squadrons of airforce Prithvi-II will be replace first then to IA.
 
You raise a very good point. But kindly remember that Shaurya has entered production two years ago. And it will bring "conventional" pain to China mainland if they dare attack our cities and infrastructure.

Prahaar 2(Pranash) with 200 km range. Pralay with 500+ km range. And Shaurya with 1500-2000 km range. Perfect combination of tactical and theater missile force to counter PLARF.

Shaurya with a range of 1500-2000 kms ? Where are you getting this from ? Also where's Prahar or Pranash listed anywhere as far as requirements of the IA or IAF go or even planned for such developments by the DRDO ?
 
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Not true. Services did not asked for Shaurya or Prahaar. Shaurya is land version of K-15/B-05, it never entered production.
It did. After 2020 Ladakh stand-off, the new improved version went into production. It was widely reported then:

Prahaar was the reaction to Pakistani Nasr missile. Then DRDO chief took it upon himself to create a comparable missile in a record time. They took the Ashwin interceptor and removed unnecessary things and made it a BM.
Yes true, Prahaar was never asked or inducted. But Prahaar 2 aka Pranash with 200kms range "should" hopefully be inducted. As per reports its development is being seriously pursued.
Pralay comes from actual service requirement. Two squadrons of airforce Prithvi-II will be replace first then to IA.
Yup our own Iskander.

Shaurya with a range of 1500-2000 kms ? Where are you getting this from ? Also where's Prahar or Pranash listed anywhere as far as requirements of the IA or IAF go or even planned for such developments by the DRDO ?
Shaurya is based on K-15 Sagarika which can reach around 800 kms with 1 ton payload(more than twice more range with lighter payload). Shaurya was being tested from 2011 onwards but not inducted. The new/improved version that has gone into production has more range(maybe with more composites/lighter weight). So with half payload it's given that it can easily travel beyond 1500kms. With even lighter payload(say nuke), 2000 kms is also possible.

A nice article about Shaurya and its range:

The Shaurya (‘Bravery’) is a road-mobile, two-stage, solid-fuelled canister launched hypersonic SSM designed by DRDO and manufactured by Bharat Dynamics Limited (BDL). The missile has a variable range from 700 to 1900 km due to its capability to mount a 180 to 1000 kg conventional HE or nuclear warhead and is thought to be the land-based improved version of the K-15 Sagarika Sea-Launched Ballistic Missile (SLBM) with a range of 700-750 km. The nuclear payload could range from a yield of 17 to 200 Kilotons. The large range variation allows this SSM to fit below and within the ranges of the Agni series of SSMs and strike targets at operational and strategic depth. The SSM is stored in and launched from a fiberglass canister, thus facilitating ‘cold launch’ of the missile from a TEL, which significantly reduces its signature on deployment and launch. The missile is ejected from its canister by high-pressure gas from a gas generator located within the canister before the first stage motor takes over the propulsion, taking the missile to an altitude of 5 Km. The second stage motor then takes the missile to an altitude of 33 km. Post this, the aerodynamic fins influence further flight of the missile towards the intended target. Shaurya has a high degree of accuracy and can manoeuvre in a low trajectory within the earth’s atmosphere, thus making it difficult to detect by adversary’s radars oriented towards detection of ballistic missiles during re-entry into the earth’s atmosphere. In-flight detection of the missile is further made difficult due to its slender cross-section (CS) of 0.74 m, as compared to the 1 to 2 m CS of the Agni and Prithvi series of SSMs. Detection and interception by ballistic missile defence (BMD) shields are further obfuscated due to the capability of the missile to fly at speeds upto Mach 7.5. The hypersonic SSM was tested from the ITR in October 2004, which was the first of a series of test flights. The SSM was test-fired in its improved final configuration 03 October 2020. Shaurya was approved for induction into the SFC post this test.

Source: India’s New Missiles: ‘Brahmastras’ In The Quiver!
 
It did. After 2020 Ladakh stand-off, the new improved version went into production. It was widely reported then:
Don't get me started on Shishir Gupta. There are many defence journalist which are very unreliable. Don't take their word unless there is supporting evidence.

Can you give me DAC/CCS clearance or related production order to BDL/BEL?. Mind you, the role is not strategic.
 
Don't get me started on Shishir Gupta. There are many defence journalist which are very unreliable. Don't take their word unless there is supporting evidence.

Can you give me DAC/CCS clearance or related production order to BDL/BEL?. Mind you, the role is not strategic.
I understand where you're coming from. But everything won't be available on internet and sometimes we have to make an educated guess. Some even believe that Shaurya(old version) was already inducted way back in 2013.

Anyways, what was tested in 2020 was a new enhanced version and it was widely reported to be/about to be inducted.

This one is from ANI re 2020 test:

The new version of the missile was testifired successfully and would be inducted in the strategic forces to complement one of the existing missiles in the same class, top government sources told ANI.

Link: India successfully test-fires new version of nuclear-capable Shaurya Missile
 
Good question🙂 My counter question: "Did we have plan for a dedicated Rocket Force like PLARF before?"

Your answer lies in my question, dear sir.
The SFC is as the name suggests for Strategic missiles. Our "plans" to set up a rocket force is still only a plan. We've no clue when will it be set up & what it's ambit going to be ?

Shaurya in the rocket force makes sense not in the strategic force. There's some major mis reporting going on.
 
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The article says Pralay will be procured first by IAF then IA. Then it will be deployed near the border. But the article of BDL says it is being developed for IA.

Technically, IA should be the one getting the first hands on instead of IAF. But who knows what they are planning. As usual defence articles are really half cooked. Something from here and something from there.
 
Do you hear the echo?

~2022~


Initial numbers. Will naturally increase. Production should happen for at least 20 years.

Only a week before 2022 ends, I don't remember anything major was signed this year. ( c295 for 2.5 billion$ was most spent in a single deal I think)

Of course I wouldn't be stringent with the year..
If major deal goes through in 2023 also I would accept.. But my hopes are not high.

What are the deals u expect to be signed in 2023 ?? Besides mrcbf.
 
Only a week before 2022 ends, I don't remember anything major was signed this year. ( c295 for 2.5 billion$ was most spent in a single deal I think)

Of course I wouldn't be stringent with the year..
If major deal goes through in 2023 also I would accept.. But my hopes are not high.

What are the deals u expect to be signed in 2023 ?? Besides mrcbf.
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Only a week before 2022 ends, I don't remember anything major was signed this year. ( c295 for 2.5 billion$ was most spent in a single deal I think)

Of course I wouldn't be stringent with the year..
If major deal goes through in 2023 also I would accept.. But my hopes are not high.

What are the deals u expect to be signed in 2023 ?? Besides mrcbf.
You're playing with fire. Be careful .
 
The SFC is as the name suggests for Strategic missiles. Our "plans" to set up a rocket force is still only a plan. We've no clue when will it be set up & what it's ambit going to be ?

Shaurya in the rocket force makes sense not in the strategic force. There's some major mis reporting going on.
There is a policy shift this year. After witnessing the effectiveness of Iskander in Russo-Ukraine war, now our forces are fully prepared to use tactical missiles in conventional roles. Yes, there was Prithvi before, but these missiles that we're about to induct are a cut above and will be part of a new C&C structure(Rocket Force).

After the creation of "Rocket Force", Shaurya is definitely headed towards it along with Pralay and hopefully Pranash.
Only a week before 2022 ends, I don't remember anything major was signed this year. ( c295 for 2.5 billion$ was most spent in a single deal I think)

Of course I wouldn't be stringent with the year..
If major deal goes through in 2023 also I would accept.. But my hopes are not high.

What are the deals u expect to be signed in 2023 ?? Besides mrcbf.
Forget about inductions and major deals, we've shifted our policy to now use tactical ballistic(quasi) missiles on enemy targets(be it military or infrastructure). This year has been very important in regards to that. All superpowers have their own Rocket Force. We'll have ours too very soon.

Read this article:

Defence ministry has cleared a proposal to procure around 120 Pralay ballistic missiles for the armed forces, which will deploy them along the borders with China and Pakistan, according to an report citing defence sources. The acquisition of these ballistic missiles is being seen as a big development for the country which now has a policy that allows the use of ballistic missiles in tactical roles. Both China and Pakistan have ballistic missiles which are for tactical roles.

The surface-to-surface tactical missile, with a strike range of 150 km. Pralay fills the gap of a conventionally armed ballistic missile that is not hampered by "No First Use" nuclear policy.

'Pralay' is a quasi-ballistic surface-to-surface missile that can hit targets 150-500 kms away. Sources said the missile's range can be extended significantly if the need arises. The missile can carry 350-700 kg high grade explosive, Penetration-Cum-Blast explosive and runway denial penetration submunition. It is designed to target radar and communication installations, command and control centers and advance airfields using conventional warhead. The system is road mobile. The advanced missile has been developed to defeat interceptor missiles as it has the ability to change its path midair.

Defence Research and Development Organisation began development of the missile in 2015. The missile was successfully tested twice on consecutive days last year on December 21 and December 22. It is powered by a solid propellant rocket motor. The composite propellant is highly efficient and generates more energy compared to the propellant used in Agni missile series. The missile guidance system includes state-of-the-art navigation and integrated avionics. Similar foreign missiles of the same class include China's Dongfeng 12 (CSS-X-15), Russia's 9K720 Iskander and South Korea's Hyunmoo 2 missile.

Defence watchers say such a missile system can be used for taking out long-range enemy air defence systems and also other high-value installations and weaponry. The proposal to induct these missiles has been cleared at a time when the defence forces are working towards creating a dedicated rocket force which can take out enemy targets from long range. The Chinese military already has a dedicated rocket force.


Link: India clears Pralay tactical ballistic missiles for armed forces, to be deployed along China border: All you need to know | India News - Times of India
 
Only a week before 2022 ends, I don't remember anything major was signed this year. ( c295 for 2.5 billion$ was most spent in a single deal I think)

Of course I wouldn't be stringent with the year..
If major deal goes through in 2023 also I would accept.. But my hopes are not high.

What are the deals u expect to be signed in 2023 ?? Besides mrcbf.

All excess money left was spent on emergency procurement, and they have decided to keep everything a secret. So there was no money for long term procurement. But doing the former was more important because the long term deals won't deliver as fast as imports, meaning they cannot deliver capabilities required for war in the next year or two. A huge chunk of money was spent on ammo, which is the driving factor for waging war. Like this Pralay deal is also basically ammo.

Another factor is most long term deals are now being given to the private sector. But the private sector is still developing those technologies, like AAA, VSHORADS, SPAD-GMS, rocket artillery, howitzers, MGS etc.

In 2023, apart from naval deals like SSN and MRCBF, I'm expecting a repeat of what's been happening since 2019, ie, emergency procurement. For example, the IAF needs new medium and long range AAMs, and the IA needs more ammo and other niche technologies. Plenty going into border and base construction too.

Next year, all I can think of are SSN, MRCBF and Guardian drones, basically navy-led programs. Only they have the money for long term deals. Then there's 150 ATAGS, 100 K9 and as much as 300-500 Sharangs. I'm hoping for the QRSAM contract to go ahead. Money freed up from the Rafale deal went into emergency procurements and some of their capital budget was moved to the IA and IN. So the IAF is busy taking care of committed liabilities, which should continue into 2023.
 
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