Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

[Lolwa]

Glad that you didn't bring similar argument on Rafale.

And nobody is interested in your sarcasm, give me any other reason other than economic burden for not inducting a bomber.

Well do we honestly need a global strike command like U.S? And our enemies are next to our Border and not seperated by Sea unlike China or Russia.
Our airforce can't induct modern fighters,airlifters and AEWCs and you are talking about Bombers which literally have lost any practical aspect in modern war.
At best we can buy the B1b's since IAF did inspect one when they came for aero India but there's no point in wasting money on bombers when you can produce and design SSGNs for the same money with much more lethality and survivability..
Even the U.K and France had bombers both have long ditched them. They are a costly affair and with modern cruise missiles honestly there is no need for bombers unless you can actually produce stealth bombers. The h6k will be shotdown by air defence if it ever tries to enter Indian Airspace. A bomber for India would make sense if we had to invade Diego Garcia or some Island nation.
What we do need is a huge fleet of SSGN's and SSBN's..

 

[Hydra]

Well do we honestly need a global strike command like U.S? And our enemies are next to our Border and not seperated by Sea unlike China or Russia.
Even the U.K and France had bombers both have long ditched them. They are a costly affair and with modern cruise missiles honestly there is no need for bombers unless you can actually produce stealth bombers. The h6k will be shotdown by air defence if it ever tries to enter Indian Airspace. A bomber for India would make sense if we had to invade Diego Garcia or some Island nation.
What we do need is a huge fleet of SSGN's and SSBN's..

We do need long range bombers,not for global strike,it's for striking at the heart of Chinese mainland. Not a single of our existing air platform can deliver weapons at Chinese mainland. Yeas it is costlier,do we need a coast effective platform which is incapable to reach Chinese land or do we need an expensive platform which is capable to reach china?
The real deterrence against china is our capabilities to hurt them.more, capability to deliver weapon loads on Chinese mainland is the best deterence we lack.

And @Picdelamirand-oil 's strategy of Rafale & long range aerial refuellers will not work against china over scs or over Tibet. China is not a Libya or Syria.

And lastly,Brits used to have bombers and the age British bombers vanished along with Avro vulcans, the reason is they have the access towards US long range bomber services, we do not have such luxury.

 

[Lolwa]

We do need long range bombers,not for global strike,it's for striking at the heart of Chinese mainland. Not a single of our existing air platform can deliver weapons at Chinese mainland. Yeas it is costlier,do we need a coast effective platform which is incapable to reach Chinese land or do we need an expensive platform which is capable to reach china?
The real deterrence against china is our capabilities to hurt them.more, capability to deliver weapon loads on Chinese mainland is the best deterence we lack.

And @Picdelamirand-oil 's strategy of Rafale & long range aerial refuellers will not work against china over scs or over Tibet. China is not a Libya or Syria.

And lastly,Brits used to have bombers and the age British bombers vanished along with Avro vulcans, the reason is they have the access towards US long range bomber services, we do not have such luxury.

We can't enter Chinese airspace unless we don't have a stealth bomber in the class of B2 and honestly we neither have the human resources,the budget or the economic standard to produce some thing like that right now.
Also we can attack southern and western China easily from Assam using rafales. What we need is Cruise missiles similar to JASSM-ER. That's why my shilling for F15-EX although we can most probably integrate rafales with JASSM-ER..

 

[Hydra]

We can't enter Chinese airspace unless we don't have a stealth bomber in the class of B2 and honestly we neither have the human resources,the budget or the economic standard to produce some thing like that right now.
Also we can attack southern and western China easily from Assam using rafales..

Stealth flying wing Technical capabilities existing with us or atleast under cooking through UCAV program. And the economical burden, we are developing a gen5 fighter with in our country. A stealth bomber design will all so costs us some thing similar since our R&D expenses is cheaper than US.
If we starts the work now,then there is a high probability that we could see the first flight at the end of this decade. By borrowing technology from UCAV & AMCA ,it is possible.

 

[Lolwa]

Stealth flying wing Technical capabilities existing with us or atleast under cooking through UCAV program. And the economical burden, we are developing a gen5 fighter with in our country. A stealth bomber design will all so costs us some thing similar since our R&D expenses is cheaper than US.
If we starts the work now,then there is a high probability that we could see the first flight at the end of this decade. By borrowing technology from UCAV & AMCA ,it is possible.

I doubt it honestly for 2.8 trillion dollar economy it's stretching too much..

 

[Hydra]

I doubt it honestly for 2.8 trillion dollar economy it's stretching too much..

We are the fifth/sixth largest economy now.

If we are not investing (procure or develop) in a weapon system which, is the only conventional weapon concept capable enough to target the enemy on its own land,then we as a civilization is not learnt anything from our century long history of multiple defeat in the hands of invading force.
In those era we used to stuff money & gold in temples without strengthening our military & military technology. Now we are talking about economic feasibility of a much needed strategic bomber.

 

[AbRaj]

We are the fifth/sixth largest economy now.

If we are not investing (procure or develop) in a weapon system which, is the only conventional weapon concept capable enough to target the enemy on its own land,then we as a civilization is not learnt anything from our century long history of multiple defeat in the hands of invading force.
In those era we used to stuff money & gold in temples without strengthening our military & military technology. Now we are talking about economic feasibility of a much needed strategic bomber.

Bro you don’t know anything about even small arms like AKs and ARs despite member of this forum (and possibly many others) since decades. but hawai bataain itni badi badi kaise maar lete ho
Its just amusing TBH

 

[Hydra]

Glad that you didn't bring similar argument on Rafale.

And nobody is interested in your sarcasm, give me any other reason other than economic burden for not inducting a bomber.

Again

Glad that you didn't bring similar argument on Rafale.

And nobody is interested in your sarcasm, give me any other reason other than economic burden for not inducting a bomber.

Again

Bro you don’t know anything about even small arms like AKs and ARs despite member of this forum (and possibly many others) since decades. but hawai bataain itni badi badi kaise maar lete ho
Its just amusing TBH

 

[randomradio]

That's why my shilling for F15-EX although we can most probably integrate rafales with JASSM-ER..

We are developing Brahmos with more range than the JASSM-ER.

 

[Ashwin]

2xMICA + 2x Meteor

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

2xMICA + 2x Meteor

BS 014 for @IAF_MCC in test flight with Mica & Meteor.

 

[RISING SUN]

Rafale F3-R standard declared fully operational

France has declared the F3-R standard Dassault Rafale combat aircraft to be fully operational.

www.janes.com

 

[lcafanboy]

THE FRENCH MINISTRY OF THE ARMED FORCES ORDERS 367 MICA NG (NEW GENERATION) MISSILES
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At a weekly press briefing on Thursday 18 March, a spokesperson for the French Ministry of the Armed Forces highlighted the order placed for 367 MICA NG next-generation interception, combat and self-defence missiles.
• MICA NG: addressing the evolution of adverse threats, protecting national territory, acquiring and maintaining air superiority.
The order – welcomed by the Armed Forces Minister and notified to MBDA by the French Defence Procurement Agency (DGA) on 5 March – provides for the delivery of 367 MICA NGs between 2028 and 2031.
Under the programme, implemented as part of the 2019-2025 military programming law, a total of 567 MICA NGs are planned. This figure includes 200 already ordered from MBDA by the DGA at the end of 2018, for delivery from 2026 onwards. The MICA NGs will upgrade the medium-range interception, close combat and self-protection capabilities of French Air Force and Navy Rafales.
This order further consolidates France’s defence technological and industrial base by securing the employment of 200 to 300 people over a five-year period at MBDA and its subcontractors; in total, the MICA NG programme represents an investment of around 1.8 billion euros.
To learn more about MICA missile : click here

The French Ministry of the Armed Forces orders 367 MICA NG (New Generation) missiles

At a weekly press briefing on Thursday 18 March, a spokesperson for the French Ministry of the Armed Forces highlighted […]

www.mbda-systems.com

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

3 Rafale fighters landing next week, 9 more in April to add to IAF’s firepower

The IAF’s combat capability in India’s eastern flank will get more teeth when the Hasimara airbase in West Bengal is activated next month with the induction of at least five Rafales

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is set to acquire more teeth with three more Rafale omni-role fighters on their way to Ambala early next week with another nine slated to land by mid-April from France. The Hasimara forward base in north Bengal will start operations with five fighters next month, people aware of the matter said.

There is a remote possibility that IAF’s Air Chief RKS Bhadauria could flag off the nine Rafale fighter jets scheduled to leave from France next month ​

According to French and Indian diplomats, an IAF team has already reached Merignac airbase in Bordeaux to finalise the date for ferrying three Rafales to Ambala. The expected date is either March 30 or 31 with the fighters to be refuelled mid-air by French refuellers as per availability with a stop-over at Al Dhafra airbase in the UAE.

India ordered 36 planes from France (the equivalent of two squadrons with 18 jets each) in September 2016 for ₹59,000 crore under a government-to-government deal. The IAF’s Ambala-based Golden Arrows Squadron has already inducted 11 Rafale jets between July 2020 and January 2021. These fighter jets have been operated in the Ladakh theatre where the military is on high alert amid a border standoff with China since early May 2020.

 

[safriz]

This is it.
Indian air force has become so powerful that Pakistan should move to some other location, may be near Timbuktu.

 

[Jaymax]

This is it.
Indian air force has become so powerful that Pakistan should move to some other location, may be near Timbuktu.

You could sign up for the pilot of Amazon's air delivery program. Do note they only pay if you deliver at the correct address. No delivering off target location trying to claim "moral high ground".

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

3 Rafale fighters landing next week, 9 more in April to add to IAF’s firepower

The IAF’s combat capability in India’s eastern flank will get more teeth when the Hasimara airbase in West Bengal is activated next month with the induction of at least five Rafales

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is set to acquire more teeth with three more Rafale omni-role fighters on their way to Ambala early next week with another nine slated to land by mid-April from France. The Hasimara forward base in north Bengal will start operations with five fighters next month, people aware of the matter said.

There is a remote possibility that IAF’s Air Chief RKS Bhadauria could flag off the nine Rafale fighter jets scheduled to leave from France next month ​

According to French and Indian diplomats, an IAF team has already reached Merignac airbase in Bordeaux to finalise the date for ferrying three Rafales to Ambala. The expected date is either March 30 or 31 with the fighters to be refuelled mid-air by French refuellers as per availability with a stop-over at Al Dhafra airbase in the UAE.

India ordered 36 planes from France (the equivalent of two squadrons with 18 jets each) in September 2016 for ₹59,000 crore under a government-to-government deal. The IAF’s Ambala-based Golden Arrows Squadron has already inducted 11 Rafale jets between July 2020 and January 2021. These fighter jets have been operated in the Ladakh theatre where the military is on high alert amid a border standoff with China since early May 2020.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1377209219980611588

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

As India Awaits More Rafales, Chinese Experts Say ‘Cannot Match’ Heavy-Weight J-20 Jets​

GLOBAL POLITICS
ByMansij Asthana

March 30, 2021

As India gears up for the arrival of three more advanced Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France on Wednesday (March 31), Chinese experts have claimed that the French fighters cannot be put on a similar pedestal as the Chengdu J-20 fighters.

In what will be a big boost for the Indian Air Force, a batch of three Rafales will be landing in India after taking off from France.
According to Hindustan Times, the three jets will leave the Merignac airbase in Bordeaux at 7 am (GMT 0130) and will land in India’s western Gujarat state at 7 pm (GMT 0130).​

Rafale Fighter Jet​

The fighter jets will be provided with mid-air refueling on their journey to India by the United Arab Emirates (UAE).
According to reports, the Arab nation will operate IAF’s Airbus 330 multi-role transport tankers to carry out mid-air refueling over the Gulf of Oman.
Upon landing, the jets will be flown to Ambala, where they will join IAF’s Golden Arrows Squadron.
The squadron, which already possesses around 11 Rafale fighters, will add their strength to 14 once the fighters have joined the group. A few more Rafale jets are expected to arrive in India in April as part of the Rs 59,000 crore deal for 36 Rafales.
Senior Indian government sources while speaking to ANI, had previously stated how the addition of more fighters will enhance IAF’s capability of carrying out its missions.
“Three Rafale fighters would be arriving in India in next two to three days directly flying from France with midair refueling support by a friendly Air Force.”
“Following that, we would be getting around 7-8 more of these fighters and their trainer version in the second half of next month. This would greatly boost our capability to carry out our missions,” said the sources.
The twin-engine French fighters boast the ability to carry out a variety of missions that include ground and sea attack, air defense and air superiority, reconnaissance, and nuclear strike deterrence.
Carrying the long-range Meteor air-to-air missiles, the Rafale fighters are reported to given the IAF a strategic edge over rivals Pakistan and especially China who possess the J-20 stealth fighter.​

Encounter with J-20​

The fifth-generation J-20 has been often been compared against the 4.5 generation Rafale, amid a possibility of there being an encounter between India and China’s most advanced combat aircraft.​

Photo sourced from Weibo​

However, a Chinese expert writing for Sina claims that there is no comparison between the Rafales and J-20s, as the Chinese fighters are far superior.
“The claim that the Rafale is capable of competing on an equal footing with the J-20 fighters is subject to criticism. These are aircraft from completely different “weight categories”.

If the J-20 is classified as a heavy fighter, then the Rafale barely goes beyond light fighters.” claimed the expert.​

 

[Lolwa]

As India Awaits More Rafales, Chinese Experts Say ‘Cannot Match’ Heavy-Weight J-20 Jets​

GLOBAL POLITICS
ByMansij Asthana

March 30, 2021

As India gears up for the arrival of three more advanced Dassault Rafale fighter jets from France on Wednesday (March 31), Chinese experts have claimed that the French fighters cannot be put on a similar pedestal as the Chengdu J-20 fighters.

In what will be a big boost for the Indian Air Force, a batch of three Rafales will be landing in India after taking off from France.
According to Hindustan Times, the three jets will leave the Merignac airbase in Bordeaux at 7 am (GMT 0130) and will land in India’s western Gujarat state at 7 pm (GMT 0130).​

Rafale Fighter Jet​

The fighter jets will be provided with mid-air refueling on their journey to India by the United Arab Emirates (UAE).
According to reports, the Arab nation will operate IAF’s Airbus 330 multi-role transport tankers to carry out mid-air refueling over the Gulf of Oman.
Upon landing, the jets will be flown to Ambala, where they will join IAF’s Golden Arrows Squadron.
The squadron, which already possesses around 11 Rafale fighters, will add their strength to 14 once the fighters have joined the group. A few more Rafale jets are expected to arrive in India in April as part of the Rs 59,000 crore deal for 36 Rafales.
Senior Indian government sources while speaking to ANI, had previously stated how the addition of more fighters will enhance IAF’s capability of carrying out its missions.
“Three Rafale fighters would be arriving in India in next two to three days directly flying from France with midair refueling support by a friendly Air Force.”
“Following that, we would be getting around 7-8 more of these fighters and their trainer version in the second half of next month. This would greatly boost our capability to carry out our missions,” said the sources.
The twin-engine French fighters boast the ability to carry out a variety of missions that include ground and sea attack, air defense and air superiority, reconnaissance, and nuclear strike deterrence.
Carrying the long-range Meteor air-to-air missiles, the Rafale fighters are reported to given the IAF a strategic edge over rivals Pakistan and especially China who possess the J-20 stealth fighter.​

Encounter with J-20​

The fifth-generation J-20 has been often been compared against the 4.5 generation Rafale, amid a possibility of there being an encounter between India and China’s most advanced combat aircraft.​

Photo sourced from Weibo​

However, a Chinese expert writing for Sina claims that there is no comparison between the Rafales and J-20s, as the Chinese fighters are far superior.
“The claim that the Rafale is capable of competing on an equal footing with the J-20 fighters is subject to criticism. These are aircraft from completely different “weight categories”.

If the J-20 is classified as a heavy fighter, then the Rafale barely goes beyond light fighters.” claimed the expert.​

Reads out as an extremely casual analysis...

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Reads out as an extremely casual analysis...

They don't say the Rafale is a 4.5 generation aircraft and the J-20 is a fifth generation aircraft, they say the Rafale is almost a light aircraft and the J-20 is a heavy aircraft !

But the Rafale while being light has the performance of a heavy aircraft ....