Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions
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You don't understand anything about the Rafale: it is particularly optimised to be very efficient at medium range. In the air, its preferred range is neither BVR nor WVR but the intermediate distances that justify the use of MICAs, and it's the same for ground-to-air: an F-35 can get as close as 35 km to its target without being detected, whereas the Rafale, which is LO and not VLO but which has active stealth as a complement, can get as close as 70 km to its target, which is the range of the Hammer.
Because Spectra,
Because most of the SAM don't have a 70km range on a bird flying at 10000m,
France doesn't have an anti-radiation missile. They profess to use a 15-60 km depending on alt, GPS guided, rocket assisted bomb. They really are a joke, when it comes to SEAD/DEAD. This will fall on other NATO members to achieve.
You also need to remember you are interacting with clueless fanboys. Below you can see that they think a SAM can't range 70km. They live in a French bubble of delusion.
S-300-S-400
| Operational range | 400 km (40N6E missile) 200-250 km (48N6 missile) 120 km (9M96E2 missile) 40 km (9M96E missile) |
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Leaving aside that you wont get within 70km of a protected SAM site.
Wiki has the Hammer at 50-60km at high alt and 15km at low alt. You are going to need a link to show 70km at a medium alt of 10k. I think this is made up by you.
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Bullshite that a Rafale can get within 70km of the defending AEW&C, fighters and SAMs when high or the 15km when low. That French fantasy is nonsense.
The small direction jammers on the Rafale can only engage one transmitter as far as I know, In a SAM site there are more than one transmitter. There are even multiple SAM battery. So it's a fail, even before you start. Then you have the AEW&C and fighters. Even if spectra was as good as you say, there are too may Radars to overcome.
There is a reason the Indians are using their SU-30 for SEAD/DEAD missions
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400km range SAM..... against a slow moving big bird as Tanker maybe. In a fighter case it's just BS.
The egyptian or french Rafale, with just AASM, were far than enough to bomb a turkish SAM protected air base in the Lybian desert.....
Range of AASM : during the Lybian 2011 campaign, a plane was hit on a airfield, fired at more than 60km.
Anti-radiation missile are weapons of the past.
This shows the confidence we have in SPECTRA's capabilities, because otherwise we would have developed or bought Anti-radiation missiles.
The Americans cannot accept that we do not do as they do, before attacking a country they are obliged to build a complete road network, (these are the SEAD/DEAD campaigns) whereas we have a 4X4 and we make do with the tracks that already exist.
Lol. The US who wrote the book on SEAD/DEAD and who has perfected SEAD/DEAD warfare says no.
Rafafle wouldn't last against a modern IADS.
They are bring up Libya. It's a longer story, but the Rafale couldn't work with the US Growler as it jammed up their systems. The mission to the air field was given to them as it was unprotected by decent sams. From memory there were none active. It is not worth my time to look it up. the frogs can post a link if they disagee
There is also the new one
The SiAW apparently builds on work done with Northrop’s Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM) for the Navy, itself a derivative and expansion of the AGM-88 HARM air-to-surface anti-radiation missile. USAF’s initial acquisition strategy was to pursue the weapon sole-source from Northrop Grumman, but in April 2021, it decided to open the program to other contenders.
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You see @Innominate the French have nothing but silly answers. They are a second tier air force that relies on the protection of NATO.
India doesn't consider the Rafale to be a SEAD/DEAD and uses their SU-30 which has the jammers and missiles for such a mission.
India doesn't consider the Rafale to be a SEAD/DEAD and uses their SU-30 which has the jammers and missiles for such a mission.
A modern IADS wouldn't last against Rafale.
I think , by now IAF would have tested S 400 against RAFALE , to see their respective strengths and weaknesses
In India's case we would prefer missile attacks --both SSMs /ALCM and ARMs for SEAD rather than sending only Rafales equipped with Hammer
I haven't heard the IAF say that.
But I did hear it say that the Rafale was very good but that more was needed. And that it had already contributed effectively to containing the Chinese at the border.
Do you know the US's best SEAD/DEAD aircraft is the F-22, and the F-22 uses a 30Km range JDAM for it?
This is something even professional Americans have failed to understand. It's impossible to make civvies understand the same.
It's just common sense to try and understand how it works after it's actually proven. But they are so blinded that they refuse to believe it. It's like debating with flat-earthers.
SU30 as SEAD/DEAD? This fellow dont have even an in built basic EW self protection system. Its good only for air shows & intimidating mediocre enemy aircraft during cap mission.
Natural choice of a nation with poor airforce.
We mainly use M2000 and Jaguar for SEAD/DEAD. The Mig-29UPG and MKI are only good for firing ARMs.
Anyway:
Rafales will provide India major advantage in Tibet in case of aerial combat: Ex-IAF Chief B S Dhanoa
Five Rafale jets out of 36 arrived India last week at a time India is in the midst of a bitter border row with China in the high altitude eastern Ladakh region.