Rafale DH/EH of Indian Air Force : News and Discussions

[Innominate]

Do you know the US's best SEAD/DEAD aircraft is the F-22, and the F-22 uses a 30Km range JDAM for it?

As usual you're clueless. USN "best" SEAD/DEAD aircraft are its Growlers with F-18E. Only a fool would not know this. USAF best SEAD/DEAD is the F-35A with JSOW. Jsow has a 70mile + range. Before the F-35 USAF "rented" F-18Gs for the SEAD/DEAD.

That is why USN doesn't want to pay for 25 of USAF's F-18Gs that the USAF has been renting. USAF is done with them because of the F-35A.

Btw right now USN best SEAD/DEAD aircraft is the F-35c.

Once NATO goes to war with Russia in Ukraine (It's inevitable and you can see it heading there) F-35s and F-18Gs will be the aircraft used to take out Russian IADS inside Ukraine and Russia. There will be no Rafale anywhere near Russian IADS they will likely be tasked for CAP over NATO nations while real fighters built for war will do the fighting. Ince Ukraine airspace is secure by US fighters you might see Rafafles flying over Ukraine.

 

[randomradio]

As usual you're clueless. USN "best" SEAD/DEAD aircraft are its Growlers with F-18E. Only a fool would not know this. USAF best SEAD/DEAD is the F-35A with JSOW. Jsow has a 70mile + range. Before the F-35 USAF "rented" F-18Gs for the SEAD/DEAD.

That is why USN doesn't want to pay for 25 of USAF's F-18Gs that the USAF has been renting. USAF is done with them because of the F-35A.

Btw right now USN best SEAD/DEAD aircraft is the F-35c.

Once NATO goes to war with Russia in Ukraine (It's inevitable and you can see it heading there) F-35s and F-18Gs will be the aircraft used to take out Russian IADS inside Ukraine and Russia. There will be no Rafale anywhere near Russian IADS they will likely be tasked for CAP over NATO nations while real fighters built for war will do the fighting. Ince Ukraine airspace is secure by US fighters you might see Rafafles flying over Ukraine.

Sorry, I prefer trusting experts over internet weaboos.

Air Force F-22 Raptor Pilot: “Our Role Is to Kick Down the Door”

But could Russia or China catch up?

nationalinterest.org

“Our role is to kick down the door,” 1st Fighter Wing commander, Col. Pete Fesler—a veteran F-22 Raptor pilot—told me during a visit to Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. “We are, without a doubt, on the leading edge of whatever force you’re going to send because we have an airplane that has a capability that no one else has.”

F-22 scores direct hit in supersonic, high-altitude JDAM drop

June 13, 2006 The U.S. Air Force F-22 Combined Test Force team of Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Air Force pilots continued to successfully push the F-22 Raptor's capability last week when it released a Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) munition at supersonic speed, high altitude and standoff range.…

newatlas.com

Flying at an altitude of 50,000 feet and a speed of Mach 1.5, the F-22 released a GPS-aided, 1,000-pound JDAM from a range of 24 nautical miles, destroying a ground target in the aircraft's fastest and highest JDAM delivery to date.

https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Documents/2001/March%202001/0301fighter.pdf

“The F-22 is the only system ... that can accomplish all of the things that the theater enabler has to accomplish,” Hawley added. Neither of the other two new fighter programs in the works —the Navy’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet or the Joint Strike Fighter—will have the ability to play a role in guaranteeing access. The F/A-18E/F is not stealthy and lacks the long range and speed of the F-22. The JSF, though stealthy, won’t have supercruise powers and will not have the F-22’s impressive theater-spanning range.

The F-22, he noted, distills into one platform “a lot of capabilities that we used to have to bring lots of different platforms into theater to do.” Like the F-15C, the F-22 can control airspace. Like the F-16CJ, it can suppress defenses by knocking out radars and missile batteries. Like the F-117 and F-15E, it can make near-precision attacks.

This what an actual expert thinks about the F-35.

F-35 Stealth Fighter: Not Ready for War?

The memo, issued on August 24, 2018, says the program has not met the necessary entry criteria to begin the crucial combat-testing phase called Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E).

nationalinterest.org

Robert Behler, the director of operational test and evaluation, is delaying IOT&E until the program addresses several software issues. Behler writes that operational testing cannot begin until the program updates versions of the F-35’s operating software, mission-data files, Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS), and testing range infrastructure software.

The F-35 isn't even remotely ready for basic warfighting, let alone SEAD/DEAD.

Stop being a troll and start reading what your own experts have to say.

 

[Innominate]

Sorry, I prefer trusting experts over internet weaboos.

Air Force F-22 Raptor Pilot: “Our Role Is to Kick Down the Door”

But could Russia or China catch up?

nationalinterest.org

“Our role is to kick down the door,” 1st Fighter Wing commander, Col. Pete Fesler—a veteran F-22 Raptor pilot—told me during a visit to Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. “We are, without a doubt, on the leading edge of whatever force you’re going to send because we have an airplane that has a capability that no one else has.”

F-22 scores direct hit in supersonic, high-altitude JDAM drop

June 13, 2006 The U.S. Air Force F-22 Combined Test Force team of Boeing, Lockheed Martin and Air Force pilots continued to successfully push the F-22 Raptor's capability last week when it released a Joint Direct Attack Munition (JDAM) munition at supersonic speed, high altitude and standoff range.…

newatlas.com

Flying at an altitude of 50,000 feet and a speed of Mach 1.5, the F-22 released a GPS-aided, 1,000-pound JDAM from a range of 24 nautical miles, destroying a ground target in the aircraft's fastest and highest JDAM delivery to date.

https://www.airforcemag.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Documents/2001/March%202001/0301fighter.pdf

“The F-22 is the only system ... that can accomplish all of the things that the theater enabler has to accomplish,” Hawley added. Neither of the other two new fighter programs in the works —the Navy’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornet or the Joint Strike Fighter—will have the ability to play a role in guaranteeing access. The F/A-18E/F is not stealthy and lacks the long range and speed of the F-22. The JSF, though stealthy, won’t have supercruise powers and will not have the F-22’s impressive theater-spanning range.

The F-22, he noted, distills into one platform “a lot of capabilities that we used to have to bring lots of different platforms into theater to do.” Like the F-15C, the F-22 can control airspace. Like the F-16CJ, it can suppress defenses by knocking out radars and missile batteries. Like the F-117 and F-15E, it can make near-precision attacks.

This what an actual expert thinks about the F-35.

F-35 Stealth Fighter: Not Ready for War?

The memo, issued on August 24, 2018, says the program has not met the necessary entry criteria to begin the crucial combat-testing phase called Initial Operational Test and Evaluation (IOT&E).

nationalinterest.org

Robert Behler, the director of operational test and evaluation, is delaying IOT&E until the program addresses several software issues. Behler writes that operational testing cannot begin until the program updates versions of the F-35’s operating software, mission-data files, Autonomic Logistics Information System (ALIS), and testing range infrastructure software.

The F-35 isn't even remotely ready for basic warfighting, let alone SEAD/DEAD.

Stop being a troll and start reading what your own experts have to say.

Way to use old articles to prove a point too bad it's 2022 and not 2018. F-35A went IOC in 2016 and today is THEE fighter for SEAD/DEAD.


Also...

USAF’S FIRST EA-18G GROWLER ELECTRONIC ATTACK FIGHTER PILOT - The Aviation Geek Club

USAF’S FIRST EA-18G GROWLER ELECTRONIC ATTACK FIGHTER PILOT

theaviationgeekclub.com

USAF has a EA-18 squadron that it now doesn't want thanks to the F-35.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Way to use old articles to prove a point too bad it's 2022 and not 2018. F-35A went IOC in 2016 and today is THEE fighter for SEAD/DEAD.


Also...

USAF’S FIRST EA-18G GROWLER ELECTRONIC ATTACK FIGHTER PILOT - The Aviation Geek Club

USAF’S FIRST EA-18G GROWLER ELECTRONIC ATTACK FIGHTER PILOT

theaviationgeekclub.com

USAF has a EA-18 squadron that it now doesn't want thanks to the F-35.

F-35 IOT&E is still not complete and even better, nobody knows when it will be completed.

 

[Innominate]

F-35 IOT&E is still not complete and even better, nobody knows when it will be completed.

Yet more capable than your Rafafle so much so that Swiss und Fins said non to Rafafle und ja to F-35. Even der Krauts went with F-35's. Rafaless can have the third world market.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

F-35 IOT&E is still not complete and even better, nobody knows when it will be completed.

Sir , If you don't mind I have a question for you

Supposed YOU are asked to plan an Attack on SARGODHA And JACOBABAD bases of PAF

They are the 2 most important bases of PAF , Both are 100 to110 MILES away from Indian Border

How would you go about achieving your Objectives

 

[Innominate]

Sir , If you don't mind I have a question for you

Supposed YOU are asked to plan an Attack on SARGODHA And JACOBABAD bases of PAF

They are the 2 most important bases of PAF , Both are 100 to110 MILES away from Indian Border

How would you go about achieving your Objectives

Why would you ask him as if he's some expert? Lol.

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Yet more capable than your Rafafle so much so that Swiss und Fins said non to Rafafle und ja to F-35. Even der Krauts went with F-35's. Rafaless can have the third world market.

The most important market strategically and financially was the UAE, but the Rafale was so superior to the F-35, which is constantly being developed, that the UAE said no to the US and preferred to order 80 Rafales, since then, we hear less from the F-35 fan boys.

 

[Innominate]

The most important market strategically and financially was the UAE, but the Rafale was so superior to the F-35, which is constantly being developed, that the UAE said no to the US and preferred to order 80 Rafales, since then, we hear less from the F-35 fan boys.

I think you hit your head. US said no F-35's for UAE and UAE had no choice but to buy a 4th gen. Get your facts right before people start to think you're losing your mind. Btw Greece is buying 40 F-35's. I'll betcha there will be more F-35's than Rafafles in Hellenic air force.

 

[Hydra]

Sir , If you don't mind I have a question for you

Supposed YOU are asked to plan an Attack on SARGODHA And JACOBABAD bases of PAF

They are the 2 most important bases of PAF , Both are 100 to110 MILES away from Indian Border

How would you go about achieving your Objectives

Brahmos attack first, followed by Mirage, Jaguar strike under the cover of Rafale & MKI.
We simply dont have enough Rafale, You need Air cover for SEAD, its suicidal for u to use enough Rafale for DEAD & air cover, & CAP for other areas.

 

[STEPHEN COHEN]

Why would you ask him as if he's some expert? Lol.

OK then ,will you please answer my above question

Brahmos attack first, followed by Mirage, Jaguar strike under the cover of Rafale & MKI.
We simply dont have enough Rafale, You need Air cover for SEAD, its suicidal for u to use enough Rafale for DEAD & air cover, & CAP for other areas.

Then why are we making long range Anti Radiation Missiles

 

[randomradio]

Way to use old articles to prove a point too bad it's 2022 and not 2018. F-35A went IOC in 2016 and today is THEE fighter for SEAD/DEAD.


Also...

USAF’S FIRST EA-18G GROWLER ELECTRONIC ATTACK FIGHTER PILOT - The Aviation Geek Club

USAF’S FIRST EA-18G GROWLER ELECTRONIC ATTACK FIGHTER PILOT

theaviationgeekclub.com

USAF has a EA-18 squadron that it now doesn't want thanks to the F-35.

That's what's funny about the article from 2018, the fact that it is still true today.

In the meantime, the USN is withdrawing 5 expeditionary Growler squadrons from service.

Navy Proposes to Cut Five EA-18G Growler Electronic Attack Squadrons - Seapower

ARLINGTON, Va. — The U.S. Navy is proposing to deactivate five electronic attack squadrons, or VAQs, that operate the Boeing EA-18G Growler electronic attack jet, roughly a third of the Defense Department’s tactical jet electronic attack force. As laid out...

seapowermagazine.org

 

[Picdelamirand-oil]

Sir , If you don't mind I have a question for you

Supposed YOU are asked to plan an Attack on SARGODHA And JACOBABAD bases of PAF

They are the 2 most important bases of PAF , Both are 100 to110 MILES away from Indian Border

How would you go about achieving your Objectives

No sir please.
It is relatively easy because it is a question of destroying fixed and expensive infrastructures. For that I would use SCALPs as the French did to destroy Libyan bases. The Scalp is a stealthy, low trajectory missile with a high success rate and a range of 560 km, enough to attack the two Pakistani bases from Indian territory.

 

[Innominate]

That's what's funny about the article from 2018, the fact that it is still true today.

In the meantime, the USN is withdrawing 5 expeditionary Growler squadrons from service.

Navy Proposes to Cut Five EA-18G Growler Electronic Attack Squadrons - Seapower

ARLINGTON, Va. — The U.S. Navy is proposing to deactivate five electronic attack squadrons, or VAQs, that operate the Boeing EA-18G Growler electronic attack jet, roughly a third of the Defense Department’s tactical jet electronic attack force. As laid out...

seapowermagazine.org

You fool do you even read the article you post? Let me help you since you desperately need it.

-As laid out in the recently released Department of the Navy’s fiscal 2023 budget highlights book, the Navy proposes to deactivate its entire expeditionary VAQ force, which deploys to overseas bases to provide electronic attack capabilities to the joint force. The five expeditionary VAQ squadrons are separate from the Navy’s VAQ squadrons that deploy on aircraft carriers.

Are you paying attention? Here's some more....


-The Navy is the only provider of EXPEDITIONARY electronic attack jets to the joint force. The Air Force retired its last EF-111A Raven jets in 1998 and the Marine Corps retired its last EA-6B Prowler tactical jets in 2019. The expeditionary VAQ squadrons have deployed to Southwest Asia, Japan and Italy over the years in support of U.S. and coalition forces. Last month, one squadron, VAQ-134, was deployed to the European Command as part of the build-up of forces in support NATO’s eastern flank after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The budget book says the five squadrons include a total of 25 EA-18Gs which would be placed in storage at the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group at Davis-Montham Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona, half in fiscal 2024 and half in fiscal 2025. The cuts also would free up approximately 1,020 officer and enlisted personnel. The Navy estimates the savings over the Future Years Defense Plan would be 807.8 million.

The Navy’s five expeditionary VAQ squadrons are all based at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, Washington: VAQs 131, 132, 134, 135, and 138. The Navy’s only reserve VAQ squadron, VAQ-209, also has been used in an expeditionary role.

Navy Proposes to Cut Five EA-18G Growler Electronic Attack Squadrons - Seapower

ARLINGTON, Va. — The U.S. Navy is proposing to deactivate five electronic attack squadrons, or VAQs, that operate the Boeing EA-18G Growler electronic attack jet, roughly a third of the Defense Department’s tactical jet electronic attack force. As laid out...

seapowermagazine.org

USN F-18Gs are pretty much the worlds EW attack capability. Research before you make a dumb claim and then post a link the contradicts your claim.

 

[Lolwa]

OK then ,will you please answer my above question


Then why are we making long range Anti Radiation Missiles

I guess the IAF wants to have a conventional SEAD/DEAD capability and simultaneously wants to have the asymmetric ways too. The su-30 will be able to do conventional SEAD missions similar to the growler or f-16CJ. Once the upgrade with Uttam happens and new jammers from Russian and Israel are imported it could be as good as the growler 2 and j-16D. While the Rafale could do something similar to what the f-22 or f-35 does by going at a lower altitude and use it's spectra to sniff out AD.

 

[randomradio]

You fool do you even read the article you post? Let me help you since you desperately need it.

-As laid out in the recently released Department of the Navy’s fiscal 2023 budget highlights book, the Navy proposes to deactivate its entire expeditionary VAQ force, which deploys to overseas bases to provide electronic attack capabilities to the joint force. The five expeditionary VAQ squadrons are separate from the Navy’s VAQ squadrons that deploy on aircraft carriers.

Are you paying attention? Here's some more....


-The Navy is the only provider of EXPEDITIONARY electronic attack jets to the joint force. The Air Force retired its last EF-111A Raven jets in 1998 and the Marine Corps retired its last EA-6B Prowler tactical jets in 2019. The expeditionary VAQ squadrons have deployed to Southwest Asia, Japan and Italy over the years in support of U.S. and coalition forces. Last month, one squadron, VAQ-134, was deployed to the European Command as part of the build-up of forces in support NATO’s eastern flank after the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

The budget book says the five squadrons include a total of 25 EA-18Gs which would be placed in storage at the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group at Davis-Montham Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona, half in fiscal 2024 and half in fiscal 2025. The cuts also would free up approximately 1,020 officer and enlisted personnel. The Navy estimates the savings over the Future Years Defense Plan would be 807.8 million.

The Navy’s five expeditionary VAQ squadrons are all based at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island, Washington: VAQs 131, 132, 134, 135, and 138. The Navy’s only reserve VAQ squadron, VAQ-209, also has been used in an expeditionary role.

Navy Proposes to Cut Five EA-18G Growler Electronic Attack Squadrons - Seapower

ARLINGTON, Va. — The U.S. Navy is proposing to deactivate five electronic attack squadrons, or VAQs, that operate the Boeing EA-18G Growler electronic attack jet, roughly a third of the Defense Department’s tactical jet electronic attack force. As laid out...

seapowermagazine.org

USN F-18Gs are pretty much the worlds EW attack capability. Research before you make a dumb claim and then post a link the contradicts your claim.

I can't... I can't... There is no medicine for stupid...

I guess the IAF wants to have a conventional SEAD/DEAD capability and simultaneously wants to have the asymmetric ways too. The su-30 will be able to do conventional SEAD missions similar to the growler or f-16CJ. Once the upgrade with Uttam happens and new jammers from Russian and Israel are imported it could be as good as the growler 2 and j-16D. While the Rafale could do something similar to what the f-22 or f-35 does by going at a lower altitude and use it's spectra to sniff out AD.

Considering the scale of IADS the IAF will have to deal with in the North and NE, all sorts of capabilities are necessary.

 

[Bon Plan]

Yet more capable than your Rafafle so much so that Swiss und Fins said non to Rafafle und ja to F-35. Even der Krauts went with F-35's. Rafaless can have the third world market.

For the Swiss, just wait some more time. The truth will be made, about the Biden pressure for exemple....

US said no F-35's for UAE

You are wrong. And you know that.

 

[Bon Plan]

Greece is buying 40 F-35's

Once again, you play with reality.
As for now it is 20 + 20 options. And no deal inked so far.
on the other hand 24 Rafale purchased.

 

[Optimist]

How much bribe money is france giving india?
They offered the Swiss 3.5 billion bribe on a 6 billion sale. Even at half price the Swiss didn't want them..

Viola Amherd a-t-elle menti sur les avions de combat F-35?

Un document secret jette un nouvel éclairage sur la décision concernant l'achat des avions de combat F-35. Il semble que la ministre de la Défense, Viola Amherd, n'a pas été tout à fait honnête... Voici pourquoi la France nous boude.

www.blick.ch

France would have provided this confirmation, with two promises: on the one hand, Paris has shown itself ready to pay eight Swiss cantons a larger share of tax revenue from the salaries of cross-border workers. According to estimates, this would have brought in 3.5 billion francs over ten years. Secondly, Bruno Le Maire would have assured that France would support Switzerland in the future in all matters of European policy. The SRF, disclosing this, refers to four independent sources.

Once the pot of roses was discovered, Paris reacted abruptly, severing all high-level diplomatic relations with Switzerland. The disagreement between Bern and Paris still persists today. This is also linked to later statements by the DDPS of Viola Amherd, reports SRF.

 

[randomradio]

How much bribe money is france giving india?
They offered the Swiss 3.5 billion bribe on a 6 billion sale. Even at half price the Swiss didn't want them..

Viola Amherd a-t-elle menti sur les avions de combat F-35?

Un document secret jette un nouvel éclairage sur la décision concernant l'achat des avions de combat F-35. Il semble que la ministre de la Défense, Viola Amherd, n'a pas été tout à fait honnête... Voici pourquoi la France nous boude.

www.blick.ch

France would have provided this confirmation, with two promises: on the one hand, Paris has shown itself ready to pay eight Swiss cantons a larger share of tax revenue from the salaries of cross-border workers. According to estimates, this would have brought in 3.5 billion francs over ten years. Secondly, Bruno Le Maire would have assured that France would support Switzerland in the future in all matters of European policy. The SRF, disclosing this, refers to four independent sources.

Once the pot of roses was discovered, Paris reacted abruptly, severing all high-level diplomatic relations with Switzerland. The disagreement between Bern and Paris still persists today. This is also linked to later statements by the DDPS of Viola Amherd, reports SRF.

No, the question you should be asking is how much the US paid the Swiss to actually win the contract.