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john0496 said:
Australians can't be trust anymore when they sign a contract.
The french are able to offer to build nuclear subs.
And in parallel Australia can sign a strategic deal with the US an UK.
This is really unfair.

Naval Group can be trust unlike the Australian government. Look at the indian contract. The tech transfert building scorpenes ships went quite well.
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The Scorpene deal had plenty of controversy too.

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Scorpene project will cost Rs 2,000cr more | India News - Times of India

India News: India will have to shell out Rs 2,000 crore more to French armament companies if it does not want its ongoing Rs 18,798 crore project to construct six
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john0496 said:
Australians can't be trust anymore when they sign a contract.
The french are able to offer to build nuclear subs.
And in parallel Australia can sign a strategic deal with the US an UK.
This is really unfair.

Naval Group can be trust unlike the Australian government. Look at the indian contract. The tech transfert building scorpenes ships went quite well.
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Signing contact is not the end of a deal. They have to deliver on the promises.

If history is anything. Naval group cannot be trusted. You should read about indian contract. More than 5 year delay with huge price increase after the deal signature.
 
sunstersun said:
Much better price tag than the French deal.
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Not necessarily. The 90B AUD comes up to $5.5B per sub USD. That's pretty much the estimated cost of America's next SSN. Bring in local Aus production, prices can skyrocket even further.

If those 12 Attacks were made in France, you could drop the price by half at the minimum.

It's obviously better to get SSNs for that price. But it's not going to be cheaper unless Aus abandons local production.
 
"The real question is whether a US-led pushback on the security side against China in the Indo-Pacific region is in Europe’s strategic interest – or not,” she said.

Indeed the real question.
 
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RISING SUN said:
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Do the Australian's lack expertise in naval design in as far as surface ships go too or do you have some expertise there in say corvette class & lower ? @Optimist

Frankly I was shocked after reading the article. I thought Australia was at least self reliant in this field as compared to say destroyers & submarines.

I mean is there anything of note or value in the defence sector in which you're independent or at least relatively independent in as far as design & mfg goes .

Instead of seeing you shilling for the US several times a day , day in & day out on the thread dedicated to F-35 & F-22 , how about informing us on the various indigenous defence programs Australia has undertaken / is undertaking ?

Or do we take it there's nothing worth reporting there which is why you shill for products from the US & UK ?
 
Show me your loyal wingman program. No, don't bother looking. The Rafale isn't clever enough to have them.

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Ah , so you have a loyal wingman program. Well , all isn't lost though it's fairly low tech as compared to what a country like say Turkey of all nations has planned & mind you , Turkey is merely a middle income country not an "advanced" one like Australia.

Well you wanted information about India's loyal wingman program , didn't you ?! Luckily for you I'm in an a particularly generous mood.

Here's one on unmanned stealth drones :

Thread 'Ghatak and Rustom Indigenous UAV Programs' Ghatak and Rustom Indigenous UAV Programs

Here's one on the loyal wingman program & much more than that named HAL CATS Warrior :


Here's the latest one - Futuristic Unmanned Fighter Aircraft aka FUFA . Up until a few months ago , even we were unaware of this project & there's very little information available in the public domain on it barring a few extremely short videos .

We don't even know if it's merely a technology demonstration project for futuristic technologies or will it result in something more concrete later . Anyway , Here goes :

 
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Ah , so you have a loyal wingman program. Well , all isn't lost though it's fairly low tech as compared to what a country like say Turkey of all nations has planned & mind you , Turkey is merely a middle income country not an "advanced" one like Australia.

Well you wanted information about India's loyal wingman program , didn't you ?! Luckily for you I'm in an a particularly generous mood.

Here's one on unmanned stealth drones :

Thread 'Ghatak and Rustom Indigenous UAV Programs' Ghatak and Rustom Indigenous UAV Programs

Here's one on the loyal wingman program & much more than that named HAL CATS Warrior :


Here's the latest one - Futuristic Unmanned Fighter Aircraft aka FUFA . Up until a few months ago , even we were unaware of this project & there's very little information available in the public domain on it barring a few extremely short videos .

We don't even know if it's merely a technology demonstration project for futuristic technologies or will it result in something more concrete later . Anyway , Here goes :

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Which one can the rafale control?
 
Optimist said:
Which one can the rafale control?
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You've got to shed your OCD for the Rafales.

It's not meant for the Rafales.

In all likelihood it'd be for LCA Mk-2 aka MWF though I believe that'd be true for the entire set of the HAL CATS family . However , selective components of it will be available for the LCA Mk-1 as well , as development is expected to occur in an incremental manner. Then again, there have been recent reports of a mini version of the Growler being developed using the Mk-1 platform, so who knows. Information is scanty as of now.
 
Optimist said:
What do you think 'loyal wingman' means? So the Rafale is too stupid and some future fantasy plane is your hope?
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On the other hand Aussies being Aussies are proving they're loyal wingmen of you know who by developing the loyal wingman as part of the Boeing project. There's some hope there else Australia would go down in history as perhaps the only "developed" nation in the world to have become so purely thru dependance on the mining industry, agriculture, dairy, low & medium tech engineering, some other manufacturing & services.

No automobile industry, no defence industry worth the name, no aerospace industry, no software industry or IT & ITES, no electronic or consumer durable industry, no semi conductor industry, no noted public intellectuals. Sort of mirrors Saudi Arabia. But I don't thint Aussies fret over all this too much.
 
May I humbly recommend you create a thread in the Military Aviation Section entitled Royal Australian Air Force : News , Discussion & Analysis.

You may post details of the Wingman project there with photographs. Who knows , by the end of the decade you may start developing those piston engined fighters like Spitfire too . You could even name them so.

Remember all great things have humble beginnings.
 
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