License production? With how much Russians will milk us for it may as well speed up BMD Phase 2, Kusha, and AD AH programmes. For anti satellite we already have that capability through PDV and need to focus on soft kill measures such as ground to space lasers, EW and jamming.
I feel we are holding a lollipop to ensure we get what we paid for. Once we get the remaining order, this will be forgotten.
@marich01,
Your boy has been proven correct once more
Another prediction is about to come true very soon
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Yeah, but sadly this is just the IAF exercising the options clause for 2 more regiments. I was hoping for a new 5 regiment deal with ToT.
The performance of Su-30MKI, BrahMos & S-400 during the recent conflict has opened the eyes of our decision makers. More MKIs, Su-57s, AL-41Fs, AL-51Fs, Zircon(as BrahMos 2), more S-400s, even S-500s all are coming.
The anti-Russia lobby is about to witness a huge meltdown very soon, lol
Decision makers don't need proof about whether these system are good or not when we have the forces who can tell how effective they are and whole war with 3 years of data as proof,The performance of Su-30MKI, BrahMos & S-400 during the recent conflict has opened the eyes of our decision makers. More MKIs, Su-57s, AL-41Fs, AL-51Fs, Zircon(as BrahMos 2), more S-400s, even S-500s all are coming.
The anti-Russia lobby is about to witness a huge meltdown very soon, lol
Most of these things don't even make sense: we already bought 12 more MKIs, Su 57 is up in the air but I don't think we'll be buying them but then again who am I, AL 41 is likely but will take 2-3 years for any concrete developments, for now it is also the print media slop which comes out every 3 months, Zircon acquisition/ ToT makes no sense when we have went ahead for pursuing Brahmos 2 ourselves, for now S 400/ S 500 is also the print media slop given how they are writing that we are "considering it" and we already have a program reaching it's testing phase as a better alternative.
The S 400/ S 500 thing makes no sense to me because it's been just 1.5 months since the conflict and anyone who follows defense knows the GoI takes years for making a concrete final decision so, unless I have unlocked multi dimensional travel the GoI isn't gonna suddenly change overnight. We may have had it under discussion since before then I could see such news having some truth to it until then it's another speculation.
It's a repeat? I didn't understand what you meant.
Edit: Before anyone misunderstands by reading just 2 lines of my post, I am not questioning the effectiveness of Russian weapons, I am just trying to say several of these developments go against the very functionality of our government and defence acquisition. I am no expert or insider, I am just an enthusiast who's making conclusions based on how the government has acted in the past.
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Sometimes they do. There are some sections who exaggerate Western weapons and undermine Russian/Indian ones. This war just proved why Russian, Indian and Indo-Russian jointly developed weapons are the real unsung heroes of IAF. Just read about how IAF treats its M-2000 fleet vis-a-vis its MKI fleet, then you will understand what I am saying. I don't want to say anything more as it will cause lots of heartburn.
Just wait for some time, then everything that I've said will start to make sense
Have some patience dear friend
I dont know what kind of so called "nationalists" celebrate more and more import from Russia?!
Importing the Su-57 or S-400 is terrible news. It comes at the cost of Indian systems.
These people should examine their conscience regarding their love for Mother Russia rather than their nation.
Importing the Su-57 or S-400 is terrible news. It comes at the cost of Indian systems.
These people should examine their conscience regarding their love for Mother Russia rather than their nation.
And yet you shill for F-35 import from our covert enemy like USA. Hypocrisy eh?
Why do we need more S-400?@marich01,
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Kusha with all three versions will enter service in 2028.
Russia is unable to deliver the remaining 2 units on time.
By the time they will deliver the to be ordered 2 squadrons, Kusha will have entered service.
Besides Kusha M3 will have a slightly higher range than S-400.
Kusha ain't going into production and first unit being delivered before 2030, then Induction, training, setting up etc, kusha will not be fully oprationlised before 2032, and that's only 1st unit of kusha being fully operationalised.
The extra 2 squads of s400 if bought, both can be fully operationalised by 2032.
So those can be gap fillers till 1st unit of kusha is fully operationalised and further units Began delivery.
Kusha is a WIP while S-400 has already demonstrated its prowess by shooting down anything Pak threw at us. In fact, I would have liked IAF to order 5 more regiments but with ToT and Make in India. Anyways, it's not upto us but our decision makers. They know what is good for us and are acting accordingly.
I dont advocate any weapon import at the cost of Indian systems.
Your love for Mother Russia sometimes overshadows nationalism.
Nah, brother....never! It's always India first. I just support Indo-Russian JVs or direct imports in areas where we are lacking. You'll never see me advocating for imports in area where we've achieved mastery.
Defence Ministry identifies domestic firm for S-400 maintenance
Russia’s Almaz-Antey, manufacturer of S-400 system, will collaborate with the Indian firm to set up a maintenance, repair and overhaul facility; move will reduce dependence on foreign entities
The Ministry of Defence has identified an Indian firm to establish a maintenance repair and overhaul (MRO) facility for the S-400 air defence system in the country.
India presently has three S-400 missile systems. Officially named ‘Sudarshan Chakra’, the S-400 had played a crucial role in taking down Pakistani drones and missiles fired towards more than 15 Indian cities, in retaliation for Operation Sindoor launched by India in May.
A senior official in the Defence Ministry has confirmed that the plan to establish an MRO facility was in the pipeline for some time but after Operation Sindoor, it was fast-tracked and an Indian firm has been identified for the job. The selection was done after several phases of security clearance and capability testing. Rules of engagement (RoE) have been drafted. Russia’s Almaz-Antey, the manufacturer of the S-400 system, will collaborate with an Indian firm to establish the facility in India. A formal announcement will made soon.
“It is a huge step for the armed forces as the role of S-400 was appreciated in Operation Sindoor and it was a long-pending demand to establish a maintenance facility for S-400 firing units in India. It will ensure operational readiness and reduce the dependence on foreign support,” the official added.
‘Landmark move’
Another official who was aware of the development said that it is a landmark achievement under India-Russia military technical cooperation. “Now India will be self-reliant in maintaining advance air defence systems and it aligns with the ‘Make In India’ initiative of the government. It will help to overcome the challenges posed by international sanctions and supply chain disruption,” the official said.India launched Operation Sindoor in the first week of May targeting terror camps in Pakistan, in response to the attack on tourists in Pahalgam on April 22. On the intervening night of May 7-8, Pakistan attempted to engage more than 15 military targets using drones and missiles in northern and western part of the country. The Integrated Counter UAS Grid and Air Defence systems intercepted and neutralised the ballistic missiles and drones aimed at military installations.
Three delivered
On June 26 on the sidelines of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) Defence Ministers’ meeting in China, Defence Minister Rajnath Singh held a comprehensive bilateral meeting with Russian Defence Minister Andrey Belousov, over cooperation in defence and aviation sector between the two countries.India had earlier placed an order with Russia for five S-400 missile systems, and three have been delivered. During the SCO meeting, Russia confirmed that of the remaining two S-400s, one will be delivered in 2026 and the last in 2027.
In Indian service, the S-400 was officially named ‘Sudarshan Chakra’ after the mythological weapon of Lord Vishnu. It has capability of engaging targets at ranges of up to 400 km.
Agree
Hard day for S400 naysayers.
, When I go back in the history of this thread, I feel S400 would have taken a long breath and simply sat and smiled. I proved myself today after so many failure campaigns by the western media.