Shivalik-class & Nilgiri-class (Project 17 A/B) Frigates : Discussions


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Houthis most probably.

Some IN ships returning from MidEast deployment were seen with what seemed to be drone kill markings.

Although no public announcements of the shoot-downs were made - probably so as to maintain cordial relations with Iran.

Yep, that was my theory too.

Kolkata-class and Visakhapatnam-class Destroyers: News & Discussions
 
'frigate ready shipyard' is such a farce used to justify the purchase, even after Talwar it won't be able to construct ships longer than 130m. It is the experience in integrating complex systems that GSL will gain, that could have been learned from even constructing ships like NGMV/NGC that have more automated systems. GSL will not be able to build ships like P17 or P15 even after building 10 Talwars, because it doesn't have the facility for constructing ships that big. MDL and GRSE can easily balance making NGD and ships like P17B, MDL is getting a new floating dry dock and GRSE is investing in acquiring other facilities so it frees up the large drydock it already has.

It's not about the size of the ship, it's about production processes, quality assurance and standardisation. Replicating existing processes is easier than creating new ones from scratch. And creating a new one while building up on what you have experience with is much easier.

A ship with an arm launcher being part of an advanced task force is only a liability, ordering 3 additional P17A would have reduced the average cost per unit.

The new Talwars have VLS.


The ship has all the capabilities we need.
 
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INS Tushil to be commissioned on Dec 9 at Kaliningrad.
The Indian Navy is all set to commission its latest multi-role stealth guided missile frigate, INS Tushil, at *Kaliningrad, Russia, on 09 Dec 24.

The ceremony will be presided over by the Raksha Mantri, Rajnath Singh* , as the Chief Guest, with many high ranking Russian and Indian government and defence officials present.
INS Tushil is an *upgraded Krivak III class frigates of the Project 1135.6* of which, six are already in service – three Talwar class ships, built at Baltisky shipyard, St. Petersburg, and three follow-on Teg class ships, built at Yantar shipyard, Kaliningrad. INS Tushil the seventh in the series, is the *first of the two upgraded additional follow-on ships* the contract for which was signed in Oct 2016 between JSC Rosoboronexport, Indian Navy and the Govt. of India. The ships construction was closely monitored by an Indian team of specialists from the Warship Overseeing Team stationed at Kaliningrad, under the aegis of the Embassy of India, Moscow.



 
There's a global trend towards modular trainable launchers capable of firing everything from decoys, point defence missiles, etc. In our case, we could probably squeeze in ASW rockets as a replacement for RBU-6000 imo. Don't know if this comes with below deck magazine for reloads though.

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It's not about the size of the ship, it's about production processes, quality assurance and standardisation. Replicating existing processes is easier than creating new ones from scratch. And creating a new one while building up on what you have experience with is much easier.



The new Talwars have VLS.


The ship has all the capabilities we need.
The production process, quality assurance, and standardisation could have been learned through building NGMV/NGC, Talwar is an expensive platform which isn't worth the effort.
NGC will supercede Talwar in every way possible, at a cheaper rate. 4 extra Talwar at 21k crore isn't going to change much.
 
The production process, quality assurance, and standardisation could have been learned through building NGMV/NGC, Talwar is an expensive platform which isn't worth the effort.
NGC will supercede Talwar in every way possible, at a cheaper rate. 4 extra Talwar at 21k crore isn't going to change much.

GSL doesn't have the ability to develop NGC/NGMV or compete with more established shipyards. That's why the nomination for Talwars. They will gain the capability after they are done with the Talwars.
 
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INS Tushil commissioned into the Indian Navy by Defence Minister
 
She's probably fitted with Russian GTs. No way Ukraine's Zorya is sending any engines to Russia while the bombs still fall. Since the war started, I'd imagined India would tow the ships to Mazagon or GRSE for fitting out or that the deal would be scrapped but apparently not. More Russian-built hulls while private yards like L&T Kattupalli have proven they can churn out similar ships ahead of schedule. Great use of taxpayers money.
 
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She's probably fitted with Russian GTs. No way Ukraine's Zorya is sending any engines to Russia while the bombs still fall. Since the war started, I'd imagined India would tow the ships to Mazagon or GRSE for fitting out or that the deal would be scrapped but apparently not. More Russian-built hulls while private yards like L&T Kattupalli have proven they can churn out similar ships ahead of schedule. Great use of taxpayers money.
Nope, Zorya-Mashproyekt shipped the engine to India then we transferred to Yantar Shipyard.