Shivalik Class (Project 17 A/B) & Talwar Class Frigates

You are referring to the superstructure, not the hull.

Yes, you're right but that's no excuse for sticking to the same old loadout as its predecessor instead of upgrading it to a more modern standard which would be appropriate for its tonnage, in my humble opinion that is.
 
Sir what is the present scenario? Are we really need such gun in a ship. Atleast we can remove it from Guided missile destroyers & frigate.
A gun remains the most effective method to deal with small high speed boats and merchant ships. They can also be used to fire at a selected place on a ship to avoid sinking the whole ship as IN did in Operation cactus. We used 30mm guns to cripple the ship and finally just twp shots of 4-5inch gun were sufficient to sink it.
 
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A gun remains the most effective method to deal with small high speed boats and merchant ships. They can also be used to fire at a selected place on a ship to avoid sinking the whole ship as IN did in Operation cactus. We used 30mm guns to cripple the ship and finally just twp shots of 4-5inch gun were sufficient to sink it.
Smart ammo with longer engagement ranges are now coming up. So would be much cheaper to use a guided smart projectile against a target at say 25-30km away than using a missile.

However as of now our Navy has no such programs. The upcoming 127mm on P15B will be a looker though.
 
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Keel laid for the third stealth frigate of Project 17A
Posted On: 10 SEP 2020 6:49PM by PIB Delhi

Vice Admiral S R Sarma – COM & CWP&A of the Indian Navy and Shri V L Kantha Rao Additional Secretary (Defence Production) laid the keel of the third ship (Yard- 12653) of the prestigious P17A class stealth frigates on 10 Sep 2020. The keel laying ceremony was conducted through an e-platform in the presence of Vice Admiral R B Pandit, Chief of Staff, HQWNC and Vice Admiral Narayan Prasad (IN Retd.) – CMD MDL.

Seven frigates under P17A series will be constructed of which four are being constructed in MDL and three in GRSE with MDL as the lead yard. The P17A class frigates are being built using indigenously developed steel and fitted with weapons and sensors along with Integrated Platform Management System. These ships are having stealth features.

Construction of P17A ships differ in the very concept of warship building by way of adoption of the modern technology ‘Integrated Construction (IC)’ where the blocks are pre-outfitted before joining to reduce the build period of warships. When commissioned the platforms will enhance the combat capability of the Indian Naval fleet.

The function was attended by Rear Admiral G K Harish, DGND, Commodore T V Thomas (IN Retd.), Director (CP&P), MDL, Rear Admiral A K Saxena (IN Retd.), Director (Shipbuilding), Commander Jasbir Singh (IN Retd.), Director (S&HE), MDL, Shri Sanjeev Singhal, Director (Finance), MDL , Shri Mahesh Chandra, CVO, MDL alongwith senior executives from MDL & Navy through an e-ceremony including the Warship Overseeing Team.

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Keel laid for the third stealth frigate of Project 17A
Posted On: 10 SEP 2020 6:49PM by PIB Delhi

Vice Admiral S R Sarma – COM & CWP&A of the Indian Navy and Shri V L Kantha Rao Additional Secretary (Defence Production) laid the keel of the third ship (Yard- 12653) of the prestigious P17A class stealth frigates on 10 Sep 2020. The keel laying ceremony was conducted through an e-platform in the presence of Vice Admiral R B Pandit, Chief of Staff, HQWNC and Vice Admiral Narayan Prasad (IN Retd.) – CMD MDL.

Seven frigates under P17A series will be constructed of which four are being constructed in MDL and three in GRSE with MDL as the lead yard. The P17A class frigates are being built using indigenously developed steel and fitted with weapons and sensors along with Integrated Platform Management System. These ships are having stealth features.

Construction of P17A ships differ in the very concept of warship building by way of adoption of the modern technology ‘Integrated Construction (IC)’ where the blocks are pre-outfitted before joining to reduce the build period of warships. When commissioned the platforms will enhance the combat capability of the Indian Naval fleet.

The function was attended by Rear Admiral G K Harish, DGND, Commodore T V Thomas (IN Retd.), Director (CP&P), MDL, Rear Admiral A K Saxena (IN Retd.), Director (Shipbuilding), Commander Jasbir Singh (IN Retd.), Director (S&HE), MDL, Shri Sanjeev Singhal, Director (Finance), MDL , Shri Mahesh Chandra, CVO, MDL alongwith senior executives from MDL & Navy through an e-ceremony including the Warship Overseeing Team.

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Goa Shipyard begins production of stealth frigates for Navy, delivery likely by 2026

By TNN
Sep 22, 2020, 04:41 IST

Panaji: Goa Shipyard Ltd on Monday commenced production of the two guided missile frigates, which are being built in collaboration with Russia’s Yantar Shipyard for the Indian Navy. GSL expects to deliver the first ship to the Navy by 2026.

Though the frigates are based on a Russian design, they will have significant indigenous content, including an Indian-built radar, sonar systems and sensors, communication suites and anti-ship BrahMos missile systems. Initiating the production process, vice chief of naval staff, Vice Admiral G Ashok Kumar said that the frigates would help the Navy meet maritime challenges.

India and Russia entered into a government to government agreement for four stealth frigates, with two being built in Russia and two at Goa Shipyard. The stealth frigate project is the largest contract in GSL’s history and represents a quantum leap in the shipyard’s capabilities. “These two frigates will put GSL in a different league because this is the first time that frigates are being constructed at the yard,” said Kumar. Once completed, the two frigates will be advanced variants of the Talwar-class stealth frigates that are already in service with the Indian Navy.

“The project will provide a significant boost to the indigenous shipbuilding sector in Goa and across the nation creating employment opportunities. We are expanding our vendor base three-fold to over 1,000 entities to encourage MSME participation in the project,” said chairman and managing director of GSL B B Nagpal.

 
This is interesting, but which one ?

Just my guesswork. The sonar is HUMSA-NG most probably.

For radars the Talwar class uses the :

1. Fregat for targeting : Can be replaced by a BEL Revathi 3-D E/F-band radar

2. Garpun for volume search : Can be replaced by RAWL-03 L band radar

3. Puma for FCR : BEL Lynx U1 FCR and BEL APARNA
 
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Goa Shipyard begins production of stealth frigates for Navy, delivery likely by 2026

By TNN
Sep 22, 2020, 04:41 IST

Panaji: Goa Shipyard Ltd on Monday commenced production of the two guided missile frigates, which are being built in collaboration with Russia’s Yantar Shipyard for the Indian Navy. GSL expects to deliver the first ship to the Navy by 2026.

Though the frigates are based on a Russian design, they will have significant indigenous content, including an Indian-built radar, sonar systems and sensors, communication suites and anti-ship BrahMos missile systems. Initiating the production process, vice chief of naval staff, Vice Admiral G Ashok Kumar said that the frigates would help the Navy meet maritime challenges.

India and Russia entered into a government to government agreement for four stealth frigates, with two being built in Russia and two at Goa Shipyard. The stealth frigate project is the largest contract in GSL’s history and represents a quantum leap in the shipyard’s capabilities. “These two frigates will put GSL in a different league because this is the first time that frigates are being constructed at the yard,” said Kumar. Once completed, the two frigates will be advanced variants of the Talwar-class stealth frigates that are already in service with the Indian Navy.

“The project will provide a significant boost to the indigenous shipbuilding sector in Goa and across the nation creating employment opportunities. We are expanding our vendor base three-fold to over 1,000 entities to encourage MSME participation in the project,” said chairman and managing director of GSL B B Nagpal.

6 years for an around 4k ton frigate.just when i was thinking things are finally changing.smh
 
Isnt p17a grse's first attempt at a 6k+ ton ship as well?...yet they its still 4-5 years for them.
Fact is someone must have had the bright idea to not use modular construction for these ships

Actually, it's both MDL's and GRSE's first attempt at modular construction. MDL also has the P-15B in parallel following modular construction though.