^^^^^^ from Aero Mag February 2019..
Naval MK2 in 18 months ~ next year...
Tejas Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions
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^^^^^^ from Aero Mag February 2019..
Naval MK2 in 18 months ~ next year...
The info in the interview was worth its weight in gold. Thanks for sharing. Looks like our much maligned friend @randomradio was right in his predictions of many of the forthcoming developments in LCA ( all versions , including - IAF & IN) , MCA & AMCA, all along.
I wonder what will @Sancho make of all this info.
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Well, not everyone was fortunate or privileged enough to visit AI. This is for the less privileged folk.
Mk1A is the true Mk1. And AF-Mk2 and N-Mk2 are brand new designs, which were done from scratch.
We have confirmation about most of the stuff that will be going into these aircraft, including some of the weapons package. The Mk2s will also eventually have drones as a wingman.
Now the only thing left to confirm is if the Mk1A will be upgraded with a slightly derated F414 or will stick with the F404. Either is fine though. Depending on how much weight they have finally managed to reduce in the SPs, the F404 itself will be plenty.
But Mk2 will completely kill the requirement for Gripen/F-16. So the IAF can focus on Rafale again.
We have confirmation about most of the stuff that will be going into these aircraft, including some of the weapons package. The Mk2s will also eventually have drones as a wingman.
Now the only thing left to confirm is if the Mk1A will be upgraded with a slightly derated F414 or will stick with the F404. Either is fine though. Depending on how much weight they have finally managed to reduce in the SPs, the F404 itself will be plenty.
But Mk2 will completely kill the requirement for Gripen/F-16. So the IAF can focus on Rafale again.
Indranil in BR confirmed its NOT F414 due to time constraints.
No new information gained by visiting AI. All these info was shared by the media. But it also depends on what you listen.
Logic says F404, but the 1 year delay can bring in F414 into the mix.
The fact is we now know that the F414 can be retrofitted into the Mk1A. There is a slight difference in weight compared to the F404, that's about it. And weight reduction is already part of the Mk1A program, so FBW has to already cater to the new weight anyway.
The thrust isn't the main problem. F414 can be governed to 90-91KN, the same as the F404, if necessary. With no increase in thrust, you don't need to waste too much time flight testing the Mk1A with F414. But the F414 can generate more electricity, and this is far more important than thrust.
Also, unlike F404, the new F414EDE has a lot of new technologies. And this includes a much higher resistance against FOD compared to F404. And because of Korea (KF-X) and Sweden (Gripen E), the F414 has been constantly improving. The F404 has no future.
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To some extent yes and also no. There will be no gain if 414 is derated to 404 thrust as 414 has higher fuel burn compared to 404 plus the added weight will make it a bad choice.
New more advanced variants have come out. Shouldn't they be able to offer one that's better than the standard F414?
No it wont be. The airflow requirement is for dry thrust. The moment you restrict the thrust due to less airflow, the SFC of the engine will further deteriorate. The LRC speeds of an aircraft are the speeds which are attained with engine at its best SFC thrust setting. This thrust rating is between 87%-92% of the peak thrust values. Either side of this the SFC deteriorates. Once you derate the engine, you will be in the poor SFC regime.
What a beauty. Look at that spine. Aircraft models always look better with less markings/paints/symbols on them. Meanwhile we seem to be getting better at making models.
That thing on the centre line hardpoint. SCALP ?
That thing on the centre line hardpoint. SCALP ?
An interview with an ADA official? I read it and hope to remember it, to point to it when their time lines went down the drain as usual. But where exactly does he state NLCA MK2 in 18 months?
The only new things were the design changes for MK2's and the official announcement of FOC, without giving out any actual information's on it. Other than that, we knew that MK1A will have the 404, MK2/AMCA the 414 engines (contrary to randoms misinformations on Kaveri or now on 414).
MK2 design is pathetic and the nonsense marketing with Brahmos makes it only more to a laughing stock.
But I do wonder why ADA has not tried to integrate the wingtip station on MK1 as EW pods, to integrate SPJ and or MAWS. That would had been more useful, than the silly dual rack. For MK2 it's just useless weight.
Sure it is. Gripen's the best. We should import Gripen instead of working on our own designs.Mk1 was marketed with Brahmos NG, not Mk2. Another fail as usual.
So using up an entire hardpoint is fine, but dual racks is silly. More silliness from you?
Mk1 will also get externally mounted ECM pods, just not right away.
Oh, so dual racks on Gripen E is fine, but on Mk2 it's useless weight. I smell an import dalal here.
Are you suggesting @Sancho is a Gripen Fanboy? I've personally seen him endorse MII and all things Indian with a missionary zeal except he has a critical eye and a sharp pen. Nothing wrong with the latter. You seem to be conveying the impression he's a foreign maal fanatic. A tad unfair, I think.
Mk1 was marketed with Brahmos NG, not Mk2. Another fail as usual.
So using up an entire hardpoint is fine, but dual racks is silly. More silliness from you?
Mk1 will also get externally mounted ECM pods, just not right away.
Oh, so dual racks on Gripen E is fine, but on Mk2 it's useless weight. I smell an import dalal here.
Yes. And his post demonstrates he's entirely uncomfortable about MCA replacing the Gripen in the IAF's inventory.
Due to his unhealthy love for Gripen, he'd prefer it over Rafale as well, which goes entirely against all logic and reasoning.
Critical eye? Sharp pen? Those words are only for those who can make logical and compelling posts. Not make up facts while taking advantage of a reader's ignorance.
"MK2 design is pathetic and the nonsense marketing with Brahmos makes it only more to a laughing stock. "
"than the silly dual rack"
These are not the products of a sharp pen. He has no expertise to judge whether the Mk2 design is "pathetic" or not. "Brahmos being advertised with Mk2" shows his lack of interest in basic fact checking. And the "silly dual racks" comment combines his lack of aerodynamic knowledge and lack of fact checking at the same time. His precious Gripen E also uses "silly dual racks".
That's quite a strong indictment @Sancho . I've never known randomradio to wield a poison pen before or even use strong language. I wonder what makes you the target of his affections.