Tejas Mk2 (Medium Weight Fighter) - News and discussions
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Till a decent product is developed IAF will buy it. No one need to be forced. They should co-operate. Because currently we worry about 200 Mig21/23/27 for which we need replacement. If MK2 doesn't happen then we will have to worry about 200 more aircraft replacement (Mig29/Mirage2000/Darin3). That's 400 aircrafts and a problem with MK2 means delay in AMCA production, which in turn means around 100 Su30 replacement problem.
Even if he isn't interested, mk2 won't be ready in his tenture.
Anyways hal has issued tender for construction of samples.. So no worries.
Yes, that's why i said that the defence industry must be held accountable to develop a competent product while the IAF must be asked to procure it if it is competent and not wait till its just too good. Both must of course co-operate. The next decade will tell if we have the potential to be a true world power or not.
It's a bad idea to cancel at this stage.. And perpetually doing R&D.
Roll out in 12 months & first flight in 24 months,
U want to cancel now?
If Amca Or tedbf gets ready, let them cut short mk2 orders and switch the production, and go with next one.
But cancellation at this point will create void and they ll have to slow down mk1A production.
Whats your expected list of short listed aircrafts along with Rafale. I beleive either f18 SH or F15EX gonna make in to the final list, probably both.
Why would IAF choose mk2 when fifth gen AMCA is on pipeline?
The technological capabilities we require to get AMCA into production will take us 10 more years from the time when MK2 is into production.
Apart from that, operational costs.
Fund was cleared to many projects in past too, like Arjun & Prahar. How many Arjuns we had ordered, we didn't even place order for single Prahar so far.
Apart from Rafale no other fighter plane will make to the shortlist. Why? No other company will be able to offer make in India from the word go except Dassault which has already sunk money to establish DRAL. Also IAF won't like to create a logistic nightmare with the plethora of Zoo we already have. Also with increased orders for Rafales from various countries Dassault will be able to offer lower fly away cost due to spread in R&D cost, also India already has paid for India specific changes which if IAF orders F18sh or f15ex will have to pay again which will further push the cost of US fighter planes. So only logical choice is Rafale.
Would you a Buy and use a Multi Axle Bus to visit a Grocery store to buy your daily or weekly needs or a small hatch back car? I hope you got your answer? Do you expect IAF to send su30mki or Uber expensive AMCA just barcap during peace time? So LCA mk2 is a necessity too....
I don’t think it will replace the Jaguar. The Indian Air Force obviously needs a tactical bomber.
Secondly, the Mirage 2000 should not be replaced. The Indian Air Force is trying its best to maintain the size of the Mirage’s fleet and even purchase the French retired Mirage.
Shows that it attaches great importance to the versatility of Mirage 2000,
Mig29 is possible, there is no news of the Indian Air Force upgrading MIG29
These are not aerospace projects under ADA with seperate MoD funding.
Arjun is a successful project with enough orders. Services never asked for Prahar. DRDO developed it for a kick using already tested airframe. (More money would have probably spent on mosquito repellent R&D by them.)
Now try harder. Will wait for examples.
When entire works is moving to fifth gen fighter for almost every mission, we cannot sit & keep on inducting yester years technology in large numbers, unless it is as advanced like Rafale.
And IAF will never let it happen to became a single vendor tendering situation. And also Recently we had fined Dassault few days back for not adhering with tot.
ADA doesn't have any special privileges. Arjun is successful, i agree that, its a successful project in your mind.
Since you're a newbie & as is obvious poorly informed about the current status of the IAF , pls feel free to go thru all the threads in this sub forum . You'd find a lot of your doubts cleared & your knowledge on the matter updated.
First of all, the future will not be all fifth-generation aircraft. The dispatch rate and ground strike capabilities of the fifth-generation aircraft are not as good as those of the fourth-generation aircraft.
At the same time, the AMCA technology spans a wide range, and it is necessary to set aside preparations for postponement.
Just like China will buy SU35 after the first flight of J20
DARIN 3, UPG, I/TI, all 3 have an expiry date and MK2 along with the advances in technologies relating to weapons will more or less cover the capabilities of all 3 types.
It's not gonna be a problem this time around.
The issue is the Mig-21 has become old. If it had some more airframe life left, it would still have been fine because the PAF has not gone beyond the F-16 yet.
We definitely have more accidents. The issue was the lack of an advanced trainer.
You forget that we already have a shortage of squadrons. We are down 10. So when the Mk2s come in, we won't be replacing anything, we will be adding to our numbers. Only 2 Jaguar squadrons are set to leave by the end of this decade.
Anyway, although they say Mk2 will replace three types, only the Mig-29s are gonna be replaced with Mk2, at best the 2 Jaguar squadrons as well. The rest are gonna be directly replaced by the AMCA, although the Mk2 will naturally take over the role of the other jets. So this concept of replacement is pretty subjective.
If you look at it in numbers, 4 Mig-29, 3 M2000 and 6 Jaguar squadrons, will be replaced by 6 Mk2 and 7 AMCA squadrons.
Rafale and Typhoon only.
Boeing can only enter with one jet, so it's either SH or F-15. Because of cost being a major factor in the last round, the F-15 will lose by default, so Boeing is unlikely to compete with it. Plus the requirement is for a medium weight fighter. SH has an excellent chance in the IN, so they will push for commonality argument instead. As for the shortlist, while both have good avionics, neither jet can supercruise. This is going to be a massive drawback.
The SH lacks a 50-year roadmap as well, because the USN's gonna begin replacing the jet in the early 2030s. Most air forces only need a 30-year roadmap, even the IN, but the IAF needs 50 years. So, while the IN will replace their SHs after 2060, the IAF will be operating the MRFA all the way in 2080.
Not in the same timeframe. AMCA will begin inductions 10 years after Mk2's service entry. And not in the same class. AMCA is high end TE, Mk2 is low end SE.
They already have realised that they are out....
The Russians too.
There's news of 324 Tejas series being considered as of now. Out of this 123 are MK1 series. That leaves about 12 squadrons of MK2 series. So as long as MK2 is better than the M2000Is they will take the place of the Mirages. If Mirages are replaced then surely even the Darin 3s will also be replaced especially since they have less powerful Ardour engines. So I think that MK2s can potentially replace all three aircraft types.
I think that we should not be fixated over the number 42 as this number was decided quite a long time back. As our economy grows I'm sure that we'll go beyond 42 squadrons as we have China to deal with and PLAAF will continue to operate a sizeable number of J10 series and Flanker derivatives. So a 5th gen fighter will not have to necessarily be accommodated within what's now an arbitrary 42 squadrons.
MK2 may surpass mirage2k (provided it materialize ), but in order to replace Jaguar with mk2, it has to outperform Jaguar in its own domain, ie deep penetrate strike role.As on today Rafale can do Jaguar's role perfectly, except it cannot carry American smart antitank cluster bomb.
And yes, we should increase squadron strength beyond 42,but again achieving 42 strength itself is unrealistic with current budget allocation.
A lot of jets will come in post 2030. So it doesn't really matter how one sees it. From 2030 to 2042, we will lose 11 squadrons max but gain 19 squadrons at the minimum.
If the IAF is to operate 324 LCAs, then the final squadron strength has to climb well above 45.
Due to the IN's future carrier air wing, it's not likely for the IAF to get a further boost in its numbers.