The Quad (US, Japan, India, Australia Security Dialogue) : Updates and Discussions

Either there is going to be covert treaties or India will fail miserably as it is failing at keeping Chinese threat under control.

As I always believed, the faces in parliament have very little to do with morons in South Block. Indian bureaucracy fails it big time. Say good bye to Ladakh.
Improve our capability, not treaties. US dominance will end in another 3-8 years in south east asia after that US will either accommodate china or leave the area. More or less we will be back to pr-1990/5 with western countries being against us.
 
Yeah I suppose we need their GPS data and get addicted to it. Then it will be back to kargil days when some incident takes place.
We need to continue developing our NavIC system.
Nothing better than sovereignty.

Besides you can already get better precision from GPS by simply combining it with the other satellite positioning systems, like the Russian GLONASS and the European Galileo. (I wouldn't trust using the Chinese system in military hardware, though!)
 
Improve our capability, not treaties. US dominance will end in another 3-8 years in south east asia after that US will either accommodate china or leave the area. More or less we will be back to pr-1990/5 with western countries being against us.
Time to improve our capability was in 1990s. When an ATGM missile takes 30 years of development time, I guess we needed to fix it. Nag literally got outdated before it completed user trial just few days back. Democracy and bureaucracy dragging its feet is what is happening.
 
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Time to improve our capability was in 1990s. When an ATGM missile takes 30 years of development time, I guess we needed to fix it. Nag literally got outdated before it completed user trial just few days back. Democracy and bureaucracy dragging its feet is what is happening.
Nag is good enough for our Western Front & Paxtan's Western Front. If you take out China out of the equation , an Indo Pak war would involve tactics & equipment for the most part , out of the 80's & early 90's of how the Western countries were then. It's not for nothing they're our brother in arms.
 
Nag is good enough for our Western Front & Paxtan's Western Front. If you take out China out of the equation , an Indo Pak war would involve tactics & equipment for the most part , out of the 80's & early 90's of how the Western countries were then. It's not for nothing they're our brother in arms.
If you take China out of equation there is no equation. It has always been a superpower that Pakistan latches to. First USA and then China.

Meanwhile we had idiots of first water in our beaurocracy who let Indian weapon capability slip. It takes us 20 years to buy just 5 planes and 30 years to make a ATGM.

The ship of Indian strength against China sailed in 50s and 60s only when piece of shit Nehru and Vikram Sarabhai delayed Indian nuclear weapon program indefinitely. Till date we don't have a proper working thermo-nuclear weapon. There is a reason why we never test a MIRV.

Indian stupid delusion of "Being too big to align" is our undoing. India is like a sick elephant. To big to stand and yet too clumsy and stupid to take support of nearby big trees.
 
The American left is very strongly pro-Muslim and therefore anti-India. They'll side with Pakistan and therefore China.

The Democrats are opportunistic. The rats and snakes of America's underbelly. As long as they have something to gain, regardless of whether it's good for America or not, they will support it. But, in this case, Biden is not stupid enough to roll back all the goodwill that Trump has generated for America in India.
 
Yeah I suppose we need their GPS data and get addicted to it. Then it will be back to kargil days when some incident takes place.
We need to continue developing our NavIC system.

BECA simply adds to what we already have. It doesn't replace what we have.
 
BECA simply adds to what we already have. It doesn't replace what we have.

Suppose we ask Coordinates of Pakistani Radars , SAM sites and Ammunition depots , won't it alert USA , that we are planning an attack

USA still has some " feelings " for Pakistan Army
 
The Democrats are opportunistic. The rats and snakes of America's underbelly. As long as they have something to gain, regardless of whether it's good for America or not, they will support it. But, in this case, Biden is not stupid enough to roll back all the goodwill that Trump has generated for America in India.
Like what exactly? Trump is just another phoney conman. He did nothing that benefits us and He never thinks before opening his big mouth.
Biden may be a snake but he is a rattlesnake variety
 
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Suppose we ask Coordinates of Pakistani Radars , SAM sites and Ammunition depots , won't it alert USA , that we are planning an attack

USA still has some " feelings " for Pakistan Army

BECA doesn't make us dependent on America. It's just an additional source of data. Plus it's two-way. It's basically a mechanism to share geospatial data with each other.

Also with the NAVIC, I don't think India has access to a more accurate navigation system than that. So most Indian targeting will use NAVIC. But in case of a major war, NAVIC can be destroyed, so we have a backup in the GPS.

Also, the drones we are buying from America will mainly have American hardware, so BECA allows the drones to tap into American intelligence, which will be beneficial for "interoperability", which is actually a diplomatic way of saying we want to avoid fratricide during war. I mean, in case either the US and allies or India go to war with China, we need a mechanism that allows either of us to operate in a war zone without shooting at each other.
 
Like what exactly? Trump is just another phoney conman . He never thinks before opening his big mouth.
Biden may be a snake but he is a rattlesnake variety

We need America to be aggressive in both the Middle East and in dealing with the Pak-China nexus. But some people are of the opinion that Biden will make anti-India moves, as Democrats usually do because of their need to maintain good relations with the Muslim world.

Basically, Trump and India are on the same page in many issues that affect India. But not the case with the Democrats. For example, by this time next year, Pak may be out of the FATF if Biden is elected. They may also restart weapons exports to Pak. Simply put, Pak's isolation may end with Biden in power.
 
We need America to be aggressive in both the Middle East and in dealing with the Pak-China nexus. But some people are of the opinion that Biden will make anti-India moves, as Democrats usually do because of their need to maintain good relations with the Muslim world.

Basically, Trump and India are on the same page in many issues that affect India. But not the case with the Democrats. For example, by this time next year, Pak may be out of the FATF if Biden is elected. They may also restart weapons exports to Pak. Simply put, Pak's isolation may end with Biden in power.
Trump’s US is anything but aggressive in ME. Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Afghanistan. there is withdrawal everywhere and even surrender to likes of turkey, Iran and Pakistan . Long time US allies like UAE,Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Armenia,Kurds and Afghan govt is left to fend off themselves by trump.
Obama never did anything against us afaik.
All that trump did was for transactional gain like India buying weapons from them and easing out import restrictions for US companies like HD and FCA. Too bad that these old companies are such an incompetent that they managed to fail even after all these benefits unlike say Koreans and Japs.

BTW I too think that Biden is a Snake and his history proves that. And that so called Black/Indian/American Kamala/kamola/komala or whatever Harris too is very opportunistic conwoman.

What’s more worrisome is emergence of the new extreme Islame-o-leftist looney group under the supervision of likes of Sanders like so called “The Squad” backed by likes of CARE and other shoddy organisations from ME and Russia to finish off US from Inside.
The Squad consists of likes of Ilhan Omar from Somalia, Rashida Talib from Pakistan, AO Cortez from Caribbean island, all serving to their respective constituencies back home and all are at odds with US values or modern social values.

Movements like BDS, BLM, ANTIFA and upcoming Boycott France and possibly India too is to weaken the law and order, destroy Internal harmony and international support to US.

US politics has really lost its old charm like that of Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Truman, Bush senior, Obama, Clinton etc.
now you have Hillary, trump, biden, Sanders, komala etc.
Those who have some dignity and talk straight are demonised by left loonies like Tulsi Gabbard etc.

As far as India is concerned, we are living amongst the sea of enemies (except the sea off course ).
So depending on US solely will be suicidal. We have to be ruthless in pursuing our goals like Israel and like our NSA said few days earlier.
 
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Trump’s US is anything but aggressive in ME. Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Afghanistan. there is withdrawal everywhere and even surrender to likes of turkey, Iran and Pakistan . Long time US allies like UAE,Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Armenia,Kurds and Afghan govt is left to fend off themselves by trump.
Obama never did anything against us afaik.
All that trump did was for transactional gain like India buying weapons from them and easing out import restrictions for US companies like HD and FCA. Too bad that these old companies are such an incompetent that they managed to fail even after all these benefits unlike say Koreans and Japs.

From India's perspective, that's good. American withdrawal means the GCC is tied up dealing with those problems instead of creating problems in India. And they are turning the diplomatic squeeze on the problem countries, which is also good for India as these countries are pushed towards India.

Only Afghan is a problem, let's see what happens here.

What’s more worrisome is emergence of the new extreme Islame-o-leftist looney group under the supervision of likes of Sanders like so called “The Squad” backed by likes of CARE and other shoddy organisations from ME and Russia to finish off US from Inside.
The Squad consists of likes of Ilhan Omar from Somalia, Rashida Talib from Pakistan, AO Cortez from Caribbean island, all serving to their respective constituencies back home and all are at odds with US values or modern social values.

Yeah, I just hope they don't fall for it.

Movements like BDS, BLM, ANTIFA and upcoming Boycott France and possibly India too is to weaken the law and order, destroy Internal harmony and international support to US.

Means faster Hindu vote consolidation for India.
 
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