Just look at the Kargil experience and try to understand the difference to fighting IS and Taliban in Syria or Afghanistan.
Even our helicopter fleet got credible EW upgrades, to reduce the losses from Kargil war and that was limited to manpads only.
Okay, what about the differences?...
First of all, we lost a lot of aircrafts in Kargil, because the enemies had sufficient supply of manpads, that caused IAF later to put a focus on improved countermeasures
Secondly, combat helicopters are suppose to fly low and use the terrain + countermeasures for their defence. Fighters in CAS roles fligh high with LGBs for example, which makes them more vulnerable to air defences, especially if they are slow.
Also combat helicopters can be supported and operated at forward army bases and alongside armored vehicles, that's why combing MBTs with combat helicopters in supporting roles, is a common tactic today.
Fixed wing aircrafts on the other side, operate on separate bases and with their own missions.
Cold start for example would not need CAS, but interdiction strikes to clear the way ahead of the armored vehicles, to provide fast movement forward.
Just as IAF would need to provide air superiority too, since without that Coldstart will be stopped very early.
So armed trainers have no use in interdiction strikes, nor in high threat environments with credible air defences and enemy air force in the area. Even in Yemen, where the rebels have limited access to SAMs an manpads, we have seen plenty of losses, which shows the risk. Light attack aircrafts only makes sense in low risk environments like Afghanistan.
Flying low is undertaken by both, please do not create a new concept here
Separate base is also needed for Helicopters. What makes you think otherwise?
It is only once you have achieved a breakthrough and consolidated your position that you can afford to unleash your assets for Air interdiction missions.
Not even close! Especially not when the primary weapon is an LGB, that requires altitue during launch in the first place. You are clearly confused if you think combat helicopters and light attack aircrafts operate in the same way, let alone the same altitude.
Wrong, any Base that can operate standard utility helicopters, can also operate Rudra or LCH. IA even specifically sets up combat and utility helicopter squads, to operate alongside the strike corps (the Apaches they get in particular). That is logically not possible with fixed winged aircrafts, that needs longer airstrips.
lol you are in contradiction to your won definitions!
CAS, strikes in close proximity to friendly forces = support to hold positions
Interdiction, strikes against enemy logistics and reinforcements = paving the way for cold start
Btw, the only fighters in the IAF fleet able to do SEAD missions, are the Su 30 and nd upgraded Mig 29.
Not even close! Especially not when the primary weapon is an LGB, that requires altitue during launch in the first place. You are clearly confused if you think combat helicopters and light attack aircrafts operate in the same way, let alone the same altitude.
Wrong, any Base that can operate standard utility helicopters, can also operate Rudra or LCH. IA even specifically sets up combat and utility helicopter squads, to operate alongside the strike corps (the Apaches they get in particular). That is logically not possible with fixed winged aircrafts, that needs longer airstrips.
lol you are in contradiction to your won definitions!
CAS, strikes in close proximity to friendly forces = support to hold positions
Interdiction, strikes against enemy logistics and reinforcements = paving the way for cold start
Btw, the only fighters in the IAF fleet able to do SEAD missions, are the Su 30 and nd upgraded Mig 29.
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Hi, I know falcon is in armed forces. Who jusr killed his " famous " avatar .
But don't know about your experience wrt forces ...
So basically it looks to me , you are overlooking someone with actual experience.
So basically it looks to me , you are overlooking someone with actual experience.
Can you please change your research into why this deal happened instead of why something didnt happen ?
Knowing your forum credentials , sorry if I overstepped my boundaries.
Still stuck at LGB? Is that the only weapon used by a fixed wing?
Really? And when you are attacking the opposing enemy forces in their defenses, then it is not CAS?
Sure, will pass that on to Mig-27s and Jaguars pilots. They are not aware of this fact
When you claim things, try to understand the basic facts first! And understanding the difference between fixed wing air support and from combat helicopters would be a good start.
As per your own definition, no! Because the C stands for "close". You might want to read and understand those definitions once again.
You mean the phased out Mig 27 and the Jag that doesn't have any ARM?![]()
Too generalistic. Post a rebuttal/refutation, we can carry forward from there.
No thanks, you have confirmed what I said on the reasons why such aircrafts are not useful in high threat environments, your own definitions also confirmed my points on interdiction prior to cold start and the difference to CAS, so informing yourself a bit more to get a better understanding is definitely a good idea.
1. You are aware of the Mig-27 that is phased out and not those in service still i.e. Mig-27 UPG? (Hint: Jodhpur?) Like I said, will pass on your message to Mig-27 pilots. They shall be pleased.
Chief of Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Birender Singh Dhanoa seen in SPORT simulator and having a glimpse of HTFE-25 at HAL Pavilion during Aero India-19. @drajaykumar_ias @DefProdnIndia @SpokespersonMoD @gopalsutar #AeroIndiaTechDay #AeroIndia2019 pic.twitter.com/ZDTKDicnrk
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After a lengthy series of modifications HAL’s HJT-36 intermediate jet trainer (IJT) is back airborne. The return to flight was piloted by Wg Cdr P Awasthi and Gp Capt S Chaki. pic.twitter.com/vm8KlL2WpV
— Angad Singh (@zone5aviation) April 17, 2019
Why ? There is no need for the IJT as training regime of the IAF has moved onThis is good news.
After a lengthy series of modifications HAL’s HJT-36 intermediate jet trainer (IJT) is back airborne. The return to flight was piloted by Wg Cdr P Awasthi and Gp Capt S Chaki. pic.twitter.com/vm8KlL2WpV
— Angad Singh (@zone5aviation) April 17, 2019
Not sure as to why. But as far as I can tell, reviving the IJT is an internally funded project by HAL much like reviving the HTT 40. So why not ? HAL gets some experience, which is always helpful and we get another domestic product to cheer for. Maybe in time the IAF/IN will need it and HAL, for the firsts time ever, will have a product ready to fly on time.Why ? There is no need for the IJT as training regime of the IAF has moved on