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Turkey considers Russian Su-57, Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s - Yeni Şafak
Turkey considers Russian Su-57, Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s - Yeni Şafak | Ahval
Turkey’s security bureaucracy already has alternative plans in case the United States halts the delivery of the F-35 jets over Ankara’s decision to buy S-400 missile systems and has been considering Russian Su-57 or Chinese J-31 stealth fighters as possible options, pro-government Yeni Şafak daily said on Sunday.
As a last move of Washington’s increased pressure on Ankara to cancel the S-400 deal with Moscow, the Acting U.S. Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan sent a letter to Turkish Defence Minister Hulusi Akar on Thursday detailing how Turkey’s participation in the F-35 program will be all but suspended as of July 31, unless Turkey withdraws from its planned purchase of Russian defence systems.
In April, the United States froze a joint F-35 manufacturing program with Turkey, which produces 6-7 percent of the parts for the fighter jets, while there is a bipartisan support in U.S. Congress to halt the delivery of 100 F-35 jets Turkey plans to buy from the United States, in case Ankara goes ahead with S-400 acquisition plans.
CNBC reported last month that Washington had told Ankara to decide by early June to either cancel its acquisition of Russia’s S-400 missile systems and buy U.S.-made Patriots or risk expulsion from an advanced U.S. fighter jet program, U.S. sanctions and possible blowback from NATO.
According to Yeni Şafak, the Pentagon made its last move by sending the letter on Thursday, a day before the end of the deadline set for June 7.
Ankara prioritises S-400s over F-35 fighter jets as the missile systems are seen as an urgent need due to regional tensions, the daily said.
“The B, C, D plans are ready in case the F-35 project goes to the dump after S-400 purchase,” Yeni Şafak said. Turkey will sustain its air force by increasing the maintenance of existing aircrafts, while it will escalate efforts to produce its own jets, according to the pro-government newspaper.
“To sit at the table with Russia for the accusation of military aircraft is among the options. The security bureaucracy is also exploring Chinese J-31s, along with Russian Su-57s,” it said, adding that those options were also more cost-effective compared to F35s.
“Ankara already thinks that even if F-35s are delivered, they will create serious security risks for Turkey as they are directly commanded by the United States. Therefore, nobody regrets ‘losing’ F-35s,” the daily said.
Mehmet Barlas, a columnist of the pro-government daily Sabah, on Sunday also suggested immediately ordering Russian jets, without waiting for U.S. sanctions that can be imposed under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).
Tyler Rogoway and Joseph Trevithick said in an article they penned for The Drive automotive website last month that Moscow had stated it had been ready to work with Turkey on the export and production of their Su-57 advanced fighter jet to fill the void of the U.S.-produced F-35s.
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said in April that Turkey could buy aircrafts elsewhere, when asked about Ankara’s possible expulsion from the F-35 programme.
“There are (Russian) Su-34, Su-57 and others. I will absolutely meet my needs from somewhere until I can produce it myself,” Çavuşoğlu said.
Turkey considers Russian Su-57, Chinese J-31 jets to replace F-35s - Yeni Şafak | Ahval
Turkey’s security bureaucracy already has alternative plans in case the United States halts the delivery of the F-35 jets over Ankara’s decision to buy S-400 missile systems and has been considering Russian Su-57 or Chinese J-31 stealth fighters as possible options, pro-government Yeni Şafak daily said on Sunday.
As a last move of Washington’s increased pressure on Ankara to cancel the S-400 deal with Moscow, the Acting U.S. Secretary of Defense Patrick Shanahan sent a letter to Turkish Defence Minister Hulusi Akar on Thursday detailing how Turkey’s participation in the F-35 program will be all but suspended as of July 31, unless Turkey withdraws from its planned purchase of Russian defence systems.
In April, the United States froze a joint F-35 manufacturing program with Turkey, which produces 6-7 percent of the parts for the fighter jets, while there is a bipartisan support in U.S. Congress to halt the delivery of 100 F-35 jets Turkey plans to buy from the United States, in case Ankara goes ahead with S-400 acquisition plans.
CNBC reported last month that Washington had told Ankara to decide by early June to either cancel its acquisition of Russia’s S-400 missile systems and buy U.S.-made Patriots or risk expulsion from an advanced U.S. fighter jet program, U.S. sanctions and possible blowback from NATO.
According to Yeni Şafak, the Pentagon made its last move by sending the letter on Thursday, a day before the end of the deadline set for June 7.
Ankara prioritises S-400s over F-35 fighter jets as the missile systems are seen as an urgent need due to regional tensions, the daily said.
“The B, C, D plans are ready in case the F-35 project goes to the dump after S-400 purchase,” Yeni Şafak said. Turkey will sustain its air force by increasing the maintenance of existing aircrafts, while it will escalate efforts to produce its own jets, according to the pro-government newspaper.
“To sit at the table with Russia for the accusation of military aircraft is among the options. The security bureaucracy is also exploring Chinese J-31s, along with Russian Su-57s,” it said, adding that those options were also more cost-effective compared to F35s.
“Ankara already thinks that even if F-35s are delivered, they will create serious security risks for Turkey as they are directly commanded by the United States. Therefore, nobody regrets ‘losing’ F-35s,” the daily said.
Mehmet Barlas, a columnist of the pro-government daily Sabah, on Sunday also suggested immediately ordering Russian jets, without waiting for U.S. sanctions that can be imposed under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA).
Tyler Rogoway and Joseph Trevithick said in an article they penned for The Drive automotive website last month that Moscow had stated it had been ready to work with Turkey on the export and production of their Su-57 advanced fighter jet to fill the void of the U.S.-produced F-35s.
Turkish Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu said in April that Turkey could buy aircrafts elsewhere, when asked about Ankara’s possible expulsion from the F-35 programme.
“There are (Russian) Su-34, Su-57 and others. I will absolutely meet my needs from somewhere until I can produce it myself,” Çavuşoğlu said.
Not sure:
Turkey hosts a NATO land forces command post in Izmir, LANDCOM. Created in 2012, this position is part of the interoperability of NATO's land forces and aims to deploy a land command in the event of a joint operation.
Turkey also hosts, as part of NATO's Ballistic Missile Defence (BDM) system, an AN/ TPY-2 radar at the Kürecik military base in Malatya. The geographical position of this base is an essential element of its interest.
This decision, taken in 2010, allows NATO to detect and identify enemy ballistic missiles by radar. The information is then automatically transmitted to other air defence tools in order to intercept foreign missiles.
The BMD and radar could be based on Cyprus instead, as could a command post.
They've just gone bat-crap crazy over Kurds in Syria, they're not even in Turkey, and they've generally strayed away from accepted NATO democratic norms.
Mount Olympus in Cyprus is 1,952m and there are space-based assets for detecting the launch.
Turkish Aerospace Uncovers Fifth-Gen TF-X Jet Mock-Up At Paris Air Show 2019
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Turkish Aerospace's TF-X Mock-up at Paris air show 2019
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) uncovered the full-size mock-up of its TF-X jet at the Paris Air Show 2019 today at a time when it is facing possible expulsion from the F-35 program over the S-400 row with the United States.
The aircraft mock-up looks inspired by the F-35 and has several design cues to suggest so. However it has twin-engines compared to the American jet’s single engine.
TAI’s broad timeline for the first flight is 2023. The Turkish government has earmarked an initial investment of 4.817 billion liras (U.S. $1.178 billion) on the conceptual design phase of the TF-X program, a government source had said in early 2018.
Meanwhile TAI has selected or is in the process of selecting vendors to supply various key components of the new jet.
Turkey and the United Kingdom signed a MoU during President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to the UKon May 13-15, 2018 to develop the national fighter jet, preliminarily designated as TF-X. BAE Systems and Rolls Royce are expected to partner with TAI in developing a twin-engine jet.
In addition that TAI has selected the 3DEXPERIENCE software platform of Dassault Systèmes of France to accelerate the development of the TF-X aircraft.
Turkey's Kale group launched a joint venture with UK's Rolls-Royce to develop and manufacture engines for fighter jet TF-X that is being developed locally. The engine is supposed to be modification of the EJ-200 engine which powers the Eurofighter 2000.
However, if Turkey’s relations with the US worsen over the S-400 issue, then it will have a bearing on its cooperation with Western European suppliers such as Rolls Royce.
In that case it may look at Russia as a possible engine source.
Russia’s Rostec has expressed interest to supply an engine for the TF-X which in all probability could be the Izdelie 30, the ‘second stage’ engine for its own Su-57. The engine, whose first flight test happened in end-2018, can fly in super-cruise mode.
Our Bureau
08:59 AM, June 17, 2019
20579
Turkish Aerospace's TF-X Mock-up at Paris air show 2019
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) uncovered the full-size mock-up of its TF-X jet at the Paris Air Show 2019 today at a time when it is facing possible expulsion from the F-35 program over the S-400 row with the United States.
The aircraft mock-up looks inspired by the F-35 and has several design cues to suggest so. However it has twin-engines compared to the American jet’s single engine.
TAI’s broad timeline for the first flight is 2023. The Turkish government has earmarked an initial investment of 4.817 billion liras (U.S. $1.178 billion) on the conceptual design phase of the TF-X program, a government source had said in early 2018.
Meanwhile TAI has selected or is in the process of selecting vendors to supply various key components of the new jet.
Turkey and the United Kingdom signed a MoU during President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's visit to the UKon May 13-15, 2018 to develop the national fighter jet, preliminarily designated as TF-X. BAE Systems and Rolls Royce are expected to partner with TAI in developing a twin-engine jet.
In addition that TAI has selected the 3DEXPERIENCE software platform of Dassault Systèmes of France to accelerate the development of the TF-X aircraft.
Turkey's Kale group launched a joint venture with UK's Rolls-Royce to develop and manufacture engines for fighter jet TF-X that is being developed locally. The engine is supposed to be modification of the EJ-200 engine which powers the Eurofighter 2000.
However, if Turkey’s relations with the US worsen over the S-400 issue, then it will have a bearing on its cooperation with Western European suppliers such as Rolls Royce.
In that case it may look at Russia as a possible engine source.
Russia’s Rostec has expressed interest to supply an engine for the TF-X which in all probability could be the Izdelie 30, the ‘second stage’ engine for its own Su-57. The engine, whose first flight test happened in end-2018, can fly in super-cruise mode.
U.S. cannot unilaterally remove Turkey from F-35 program: Turkish defense official
ISTANBUL (Reuters) - The United States cannot unilaterally remove Turkey from the F-35 fighter jet program as the partnership agreement does not allow it, Turkey’s head of Defense Industries Directorate said on Friday.
“No single country can say they don’t want you and then remove you from the program,” Ismail Demir told reporters.
“This isn’t part of the agreement, this isn’t something you can just say ‘I exclude you’ about. The F-35 project is a partnership and nowhere in the agreement does it allow a unilateral removal of one country,” he said.
Ankara and Washington have been at loggerheads for months over Turkey’s planned purchase of Russian S-400 missile defense system. The United States says the S-400s are incompatible with NATO’s defense network and could compromise its F-35 fighter jets, an aircraft Turkey is helping build and planning to buy.
In a letter to Turkey, the Pentagon has warned Ankara will be pulled out of the F-35 program unless it changes course. Washington has already stopped accepting more Turkish pilots for training in the U.S. and halted delivery of equipment related to the program.
The United States says Turkey’s S-400 acquisition poses a threat to Lockheed Martin Corp’s F-35s. It has threatened to impose sanctions on Ankara under its Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), the possibility of which has spooked investors and helped cause a selloff in the lira this year.
Demir said such sanctions could have a brief impact on Turkey’s defense industry. “Our defense industry produces parts for the F-35, so in the event of sanctions being imposed, our industry would experience a rough patch, but we’ll then get passed this,” he said.
U.S. cannot unilaterally remove Turkey from F-35 program: Turkish defense official - Reuters
ISTANBUL (Reuters) - The United States cannot unilaterally remove Turkey from the F-35 fighter jet program as the partnership agreement does not allow it, Turkey’s head of Defense Industries Directorate said on Friday.
“No single country can say they don’t want you and then remove you from the program,” Ismail Demir told reporters.
“This isn’t part of the agreement, this isn’t something you can just say ‘I exclude you’ about. The F-35 project is a partnership and nowhere in the agreement does it allow a unilateral removal of one country,” he said.
Ankara and Washington have been at loggerheads for months over Turkey’s planned purchase of Russian S-400 missile defense system. The United States says the S-400s are incompatible with NATO’s defense network and could compromise its F-35 fighter jets, an aircraft Turkey is helping build and planning to buy.
In a letter to Turkey, the Pentagon has warned Ankara will be pulled out of the F-35 program unless it changes course. Washington has already stopped accepting more Turkish pilots for training in the U.S. and halted delivery of equipment related to the program.
The United States says Turkey’s S-400 acquisition poses a threat to Lockheed Martin Corp’s F-35s. It has threatened to impose sanctions on Ankara under its Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), the possibility of which has spooked investors and helped cause a selloff in the lira this year.
Demir said such sanctions could have a brief impact on Turkey’s defense industry. “Our defense industry produces parts for the F-35, so in the event of sanctions being imposed, our industry would experience a rough patch, but we’ll then get passed this,” he said.
U.S. cannot unilaterally remove Turkey from F-35 program: Turkish defense official - Reuters
1st flight of Turkish "Akinci" HALE (high-altitude long-endurance) UAV.Akinci is a 4.5 ton UCAV, able to carry a 1.5 ton payload.
The Presidency of the Turkish Defence Industries (SSB) has revealed fresh details of its Akinci (Raider) armed unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), which is under development by local enterprise Baykar Makina.
The Akinci UAV will have a wingspan of 20 m and a maximum take-off weight (MTOW) of 4,500 kg. It is expected to be capable of staying aloft for up to 24 hours and attain an operational ceiling of 40,000 ft (12,192 m).
The air vehicle will be powered by a pair of indigenously manufactured PD-222 turbo-diesel engines built by Tusas Engine Industries (TEI) in partnership with US company General Electric. The PD-222 is based on the new PD-170 engine that will replace the Thielert Centurion 2.0 S turbodiesel engine, which is currently powering Turkey's Anka medium-altitude long endurance (MALE) UAV.
TEI successfully carried out initial flight tests of a PD-170 powered Anka UAV in December 2018.
According to the SSB, the Akinci will be able to carry internal and external payloads of up to 450 kg and 900 kg respectively. The air vehicle will be equipped with indigenously developed mission equipment, including an Aselsan-supplied active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, electronic warfare (EW), and satellite communication systems.
It will also be able to carry a wide range of external weapons, such as the Roketsan MAM-L precision-guided bombs (PGBs), Cirit guided rockets, as well as the latest MAM-C smart munition that has just entered serial production. The MAM-C can engage targets that are up to 8 km away depending on its launch altitude.
Other weapons are also planned for integration, including the Roketsan SOM-A cruise missile with a range of 250 km and a selection of PGBs based on the Mk 82 general purpose bomb.
Turkey details Akinci armed UAV programme | Jane's 360
Turks have a made a remarkable progress in UAVs/UCAVs and overall in the defence sector. All thanks to the west plus support to their private sector.
1st flight of Turkish "Akinci" HALE (high-altitude long-endurance) UAV.Akinci is a 4.5 ton UCAV, able to carry a 1.5 ton payload.
The Presidency of the Turkish Defence Industries (SSB) has revealed fresh details of its Akinci (Raider) armed unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV), which is under development by local enterprise Baykar Makina.
The Akinci UAV will have a wingspan of 20 m and a maximum take-off weight (MTOW) of 4,500 kg. It is expected to be capable of staying aloft for up to 24 hours and attain an operational ceiling of 40,000 ft (12,192 m).
The air vehicle will be powered by a pair of indigenously manufactured PD-222 turbo-diesel engines built by Tusas Engine Industries (TEI) in partnership with US company General Electric. The PD-222 is based on the new PD-170 engine that will replace the Thielert Centurion 2.0 S turbodiesel engine, which is currently powering Turkey's Anka medium-altitude long endurance (MALE) UAV.
TEI successfully carried out initial flight tests of a PD-170 powered Anka UAV in December 2018.
According to the SSB, the Akinci will be able to carry internal and external payloads of up to 450 kg and 900 kg respectively. The air vehicle will be equipped with indigenously developed mission equipment, including an Aselsan-supplied active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, electronic warfare (EW), and satellite communication systems.
It will also be able to carry a wide range of external weapons, such as the Roketsan MAM-L precision-guided bombs (PGBs), Cirit guided rockets, as well as the latest MAM-C smart munition that has just entered serial production. The MAM-C can engage targets that are up to 8 km away depending on its launch altitude.
Other weapons are also planned for integration, including the Roketsan SOM-A cruise missile with a range of 250 km and a selection of PGBs based on the Mk 82 general purpose bomb.
Turkey details Akinci armed UAV programme | Jane's 360
Aselsan , Roketsan etc are alk Turkish private defence companies.
They even have developed WVRAAM of their own called Goktug Gozdogan and BVRAAM called Goktug Buzdogan.
Vinod DX9 (@VinodDX9) Tweeted:
So #Turkey media says
1) all tests of indigenous Turkish engine will be completed by 2025-26
2) first flight of TF-X with indignous engine will be in 2029
3) Turkey invites #Malyasia for joint production Vinod DX9 on Twitter ( )
Huge development, if true.
@randomradio ; @Ashwin ; @Gautam
So #Turkey media says
1) all tests of indigenous Turkish engine will be completed by 2025-26
2) first flight of TF-X with indignous engine will be in 2029
3) Turkey invites #Malyasia for joint production Vinod DX9 on Twitter ( )
Huge development, if true.
@randomradio ; @Ashwin ; @Gautam
Turkey claimes to develop 5th gen engine in 2025-26
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