Turkish Military Aviation : News & Discussions

Shekhar Singh said:
TAI’s broad timeline for the first flight is 2023.
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Not possible. They don't have a propulsion system decided till date.
_Anonymous_ said:
1) all tests of indigenous Turkish engine will be completed by 2025-26
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Not gonna happen, empty speculation.

BTW, has Turkey ever fielded any of its own developed 4th gen aircrafts? If not, then they are walking into same trap that India did. Having a fighter jet program with engine program linked.
 
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_Anonymous_ said:
Vinod DX9 (@VinodDX9) Tweeted:
So #Turkey media says

1) all tests of indigenous Turkish engine will be completed by 2025-26
2) first flight of TF-X with indignous engine will be in 2029
3) Turkey invites #Malyasia for joint production Vinod DX9 on Twitter (
https://twitter.com/x/status/1216005257714520065
)

Huge development, if true.

@randomradio ; @Ashwin ; @Gautam
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A full indigenous production engine before 2035 is not possible. They were looking to partner with RR. It fell through. They invited Pakistan last decade. Malaysia can't even maintain their handfull of Migs.
 
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Saaho said:
BTW, has Turkey ever fielded any of its own developed 4th gen aircrafts? If not, then they are walking into same trap that India did. Having a fighter jet program with engine program linked.
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They are not as ignorant as us, they always go for partnership.
They already have an aerospace industry. Building F-16 for a long time. Remember they were F-35 Level 3 partner till recently.

ANTONOV Company presents programs of creation of military-purpose aircraft in Turkey

Ukraine refused to transfer technology for Turkey’s aviation engine project - Nordic Monitor

Turkish, Indonesian Companies Cooperating On Aircraft | Aviation Week Network
 
_Anonymous_ said:
Vinod DX9 (@VinodDX9) Tweeted:
So #Turkey media says

1) all tests of indigenous Turkish engine will be completed by 2025-26
2) first flight of TF-X with indignous engine will be in 2029
3) Turkey invites #Malyasia for joint production Vinod DX9 on Twitter (
https://twitter.com/x/status/1216005257714520065
)

Huge development, if true.

@randomradio ; @Ashwin ; @Gautam
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Deathstar said:
Turkey claimes to develop 5th gen engine in 2025-26
While India and China : Mai ch**** hoon
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It's just hopes and dreams. India has Kaveri. China has their WS series. Turkey has zilch.

So this is their first real attempt at making a fighter jet engine. They signed a framework agreement just a few months ago and it's probably all official now. They are "assuming" it's going to be a 10-year program, that's why the 2029 date for the first flight on TF-X.

Pretty much everything they are discussing right now with respect to TF-X is vapourware. They are where India was in 1983, albeit with a better foundation.
Saaho said:
BTW, has Turkey ever fielded any of its own developed 4th gen aircrafts? If not, then they are walking into same trap that India did. Having a fighter jet program with engine program linked.
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It gets worse. They are dreaming of a fully indigenous engine within 10 years.

At least they have the sense to keep foreign collaboration open, but they are not going to get anything without a large alternate contract as compensation, like India's 36 Rafales.
 
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Ashwin said:
They are not as ignorant as us, they always go for partnership.
They already have an aerospace industry. Building F-16 for a long time. Remember they were F-35 Level 3 partner till recently.
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Oh well, Level 3 partner is essentially licensed serial production partner. That is equivalent to HAL producing Su-30 MKI. India has been doing it for much longer than Turkey except Turkey never got to manufacture any F-35.

Their aerospace industry is no more mature than HAL. Infact they have never produced a fighter of their own puts them at a disadvantage to HAL.

It shows in their overly optimistic schedule.
It shows in their hopping around for propulsion system.

And finally they have their own nuclear test moment by importing S-400. Their preferred engine was General Electric F110 - Wikipedia . With the current political scenario, it is likely they won't get this engine and forget about local production.

BTW, anyone knows what is the radar system for TAI-TFX?
randomradio said:
albeit with a better foundation.
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But then they already had their India's 1998 nuclear test moment. Purchase of S-400 and falling out of NATO. Except they never got any nuclear weapons.

The only thing they had going for them was integration into NATO eco-system and closeness to EU. They have already given that up due to political falling out. India was wiser to keep France close.
 
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Saaho said:
Oh well, Level 3 partner is essentially licensed serial production partner. That is equivalent to HAL producing Su-30 MKI.
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No, it's not. They are part of the global supply chain. TAI do F-16 MLU for foreign countries. We are not a partner in Su-30.

Saaho said:
Their aerospace industry is no more mature than HAL.
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There is a huge difference. Its a private sector with large exposure to the europian/western market. Till recently, full technology access.

HAL is definitely bigger because of the domestic market size and monopoly.
 
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Ashwin said:
No, it's not. They are part of the global supply chain. TAI do F-16 MLU for foreign countries. We are not a partner in Su-30.
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Instead of countering it point by point, lemme hit it with sledgehammer. They did not produce anything in F-35. As far as MLU goes, Pakistan did something even bigger : ROSE project. That did not make their aerospace industry any better.
 
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Saaho said:
Instead of countering it point by point, lemme hit it with sledgehammer. They did not produce anything in F-35.
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Turkey isn't irreplaceable, but to say they didn't produce anything on the F-35 isn't really accurate either. Actually it's undercutting just how involved Turkey was in the program, even as a low-level partner. They were a sole supplier of several essential parts of the air frame.

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BMD said:
So were aircraft shot down?
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Two Syrian aircrafts shot down today, Syria declared no fly zone over Idlib. Don't know how exactly Syria is going to enforce it.

Russians are staying back in this whole situation avoiding confrontation with Turkey. Confronting Turkey in Syria is not easy for Russia, Turkey can overwhelm anything Russia have in Syria.
 
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https://twitter.com/x/status/1234407587216412673
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Heavily exaggerated numbers. They did the same during anti Kurdish operations.But considerable loss is inflicted on Syrian Army. it seems like syrian army didn't care much, they once again went on offensive. Syrian airdefence shot down atleast 3 Anka-S Turkish drones, and recaptured Saraqib city which was overrun by Turkish troops and allied militants
Turkish armed drone destroying Pantsir s-1

https://twitter.com/x/status/1233474858551595010
 
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@randomradio Turkish defence industry is really weird.


Funding of this project only started in 2020 and within 3 yrs they are going to fly 11tn helicopter with no prior experience.
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How they are able to develop weapons in such a short a period of time and who is funding them for such large no of projects.
 
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