Ukraine - Russia Conflict

No. And in any case, the S-400 has been praised. It's better than expected.



Prahaar is in fact superior to the ATACMS, it has the same payload, but it's faster and has a shorter altitude, has better terminal agility, and comes with an active seeker. It's basically a next generation version of ATACMS. The launcher truck also carries 6 of them compared to just 1 or 2 ATACMS. There's really no comparison. Its only disadvantage is its shorter range, but we don't have a need for more range from this class. 200Km is enough for the IA.

The Americans are soon gonna introduce a replacement for ATACMS called PrSM, which is as sleek as the Prahaar and as short as ATACMS but has a lot more range and speed. The standard version will do 650 km, the ramjet version will do 1000.
So PrSM & Pralay roughly will be in same league.
 
Its not russian defence spending that will matter but countries like iran & nk getting advanced tech that will see more fire works. Bet drones will become one of the wonder weapons to fight an asymmetric war. With advanced weapons to defend they will more emboldened to take the battle to new areas. We will see proxy wars in coming days.

Drones are doing well in Ukraine 'cause neither side has deployed sufficient defenses against them. A fully modernized force will not face the same issue.

Russia has some, but they are not using it. In a more important war, they would have air defenses accompanying armored units, but they have decided to lose cheap armored vehicles over risking expensive SAMs due to the risk of NATO getting involved, hence the need to preserve forces. Similarly, they would station S-300 and Tor among frontline units too, but they have decided not to for the same reason. Basically the Russian army is fighting with one arm tied behind its back. They lack more modern anti-drone systems as well, like DEW.

As for Iran and NoKo, it depends on whether the sanctions continue after the war or not. But that's still not as dangerous as Russia's military expansion. They have already decided to triple the size of their army, that's too much. We could similarly see a massive expansion of their air force and navy.

Personally, from India's perspective, I don't care about their army and air force, it's only a headache for the West and China. But the expansion of their navy is gonna be a problem for India, it will make the Pacific more crowded than necessary. And, in terms of economics, a lot of Western money is now gonna be spent on defense, and that's a problem for India because it reduces foreign investment opportunities for all parties and will result in reduced global growth, which in turn will affect our own long term growth. Overall, if Russia and Europe also start militarizing alongside the US and China, all that additional demand will jack up construction prices too. And then, even we will have to militarize in order to match the Chinese. So it's a triple whammy on our economy. Hence my assertion of everything bad happening 5 years before it should have.
 
Turns out ISW is actually referring to the anti-tank ditch as the third line. All the UAF has done is cross one such ditch in one area.
General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi confident that the Ukrainian advance in the south will continue:

With time running out for the Ukrainian counter-offensive, General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, who is leading it in the south of the country, told CNN in an interview that his forces had broken through at Verbove and predicted an even bigger breakthrough to come. He admits, however, that his troops are advancing more slowly than expected. While it is impossible to verify this information, Ukrainian accounts have shown Ukrainian vehicles moving through Russian defences, with the pro-Russian Telegram account Rybar denying the breakthrough.

It explained that the aim was still to advance as far as Tokmak, some 20km further south, in order to break the "land bridge" linking the Russian-occupied territories to annexed Crimea. "The weather can be a serious obstacle to the advance, but given the way we are advancing, mainly without vehicles, I don't think [the weather] will have a major influence on the counter-offensive," adds the general in this interview. "At the moment, neither we nor the enemy are using large formations, companies, battalions or brigades. We use assault squads, groups of 10 to 15 men," he adds.
 

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Those are going to be battlefield ATACMS since they are cluster ATACMS. Two cluster ATACMS can devastate a huge area of trenched in vadniks.
Apparently there was some word that they would be refurbishing them into GPS unitary warhead ones with the money they were going to spend scrapping them.
 
This is very bad news.


I've been arguing this point for many years now.

So tax revenues will be up 22%, energy earnings will be up 25%, and deficit will only be 0.9% of GDP.

And with their defence budget at 11T rubles, they will soon be much bigger than NATO.

The West is friggin' retarded.
The retarded one is the person who thinks those numbers balance. If last year the EU imported €163bn of Russian fossil fuels, with €143bn for India and China combined (making €306bn total) and this year the EU, China and India have only imported €86bn combined for 9 months, how the f**k are energy revenues up? Then you have the cost of the war and all the people they've taken out of the economy. Russian numbers are BS.


More like a Pantsir problem.
Its part of s400 system.
So the Integrated Air Defence is not Integrated?

What happened to all these S-400-related tall radar masts specifically there to counter low altitude threats? FFS, just fall on your sword already. Russian IADS is the equivalent of Windows VISTA. @Hydra @RASALGHUL

And in any case, the S-400 has been praised. It's better than expected.
Jeez, how bad were they expecting it to be?
 
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No, ISW clarified it. They simply divided the main line into three lines and then claimed they breached the 3rd line of the main line. Semantics.

The only problem is it's in the opposite direction as Tokmak. A lot of the Ukrainian push is happening away from Tokmak, which the Russians are fine with.

There are many more lines after the main line.
There really aren't, after Tokmak, Russia has nothing and the lines are very close together near Verbove.

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It's pointless. The idea behind ATACMS is high explosives, so they can get to command nodes and underground ammo dumps. Cluster munitions are merely battlefield weapons meant to kill soldiers, it won't change anything.
Useful against airfields, ports and ammo dumps. And for spamming air defences.
 
General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi confident that the Ukrainian advance in the south will continue:

With time running out for the Ukrainian counter-offensive, General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi, who is leading it in the south of the country, told CNN in an interview that his forces had broken through at Verbove and predicted an even bigger breakthrough to come. He admits, however, that his troops are advancing more slowly than expected. While it is impossible to verify this information, Ukrainian accounts have shown Ukrainian vehicles moving through Russian defences, with the pro-Russian Telegram account Rybar denying the breakthrough.

It explained that the aim was still to advance as far as Tokmak, some 20km further south, in order to break the "land bridge" linking the Russian-occupied territories to annexed Crimea. "The weather can be a serious obstacle to the advance, but given the way we are advancing, mainly without vehicles, I don't think [the weather] will have a major influence on the counter-offensive," adds the general in this interview. "At the moment, neither we nor the enemy are using large formations, companies, battalions or brigades. We use assault squads, groups of 10 to 15 men," he adds.

The Russians are using squad level units to assault, like the UAF, but they are defending in strength. No squad-level unit is gonna breakthrough the main defenses. And this works in Russia's favour anyway. And Russia's squad level assaults have a very different purpose compared to the UAF.

I mentioned it long before, without brigade level tactics the UAF can't breach the Russian defenses. All the UAF is doing is moving away from Tokmak. As for this "even bigger breakthrough," we can only wait and see. He claims it will happen "after Tokmak," so obviously propaganda.

“I believe yes [there will be a big breakthrough],” Tarnavsky said. “I think it will happen after Tokmak. At the moment (the Russians) are relying on the depth of their defensive line there.”

Apart from taking months just to reach the first line, the UAF have yet to reach the main kill zones behind the first line. We are yet to see how the UAF will cope with the Russians operating on their flanks.
 
The retarded one is the person who thinks those numbers balance. If last year the EU imported €163bn of Russian fossil fuels, with €143bn for India and China combined (making €306bn total) and this year the EU, China and India have only imported €86bn combined for 9 months, how the f**k are energy revenues up? Then you have the cost of the war and all the people they've taken out of the economy. Russian numbers are BS.


At the same time the ruble has fallen, so that increases earnings.

If they made €306B last year, and the average rub rate was 74 to a euro, then they made 22.6T rub. But if they make 206B this year, and their average is 95, then they make roughly 20.5T rub. Almost the same as last year.

In order to do that, they are cutting production of crude oil and stopping the export of gas and refined petroleum in order to jack up prices. Once prices are up, they will sale again, 'cause Europe needs energy for the winter.

So the Integrated Air Defence is not Integrated?

What happened to all these S-400-related tall radar masts specifically there to counter low altitude threats? FFS, just fall on your sword already. Russian IADS is the equivalent of Windows VISTA. @Hydra @RASALGHUL

Sure, you can keep believing that. :rolleyes:

Jeez, how bad were they expecting it to be?

It's functioning beyond expectations. The fact that it was exported to China, India and Turkey is proof of that. But also the fact that they failed to export Pantsir shows it's not all that it's cracked up to be. The Pantsir failed evaluations in India when it came to dealing with small targets. Although some of it has been fixed, the war shows it's not enough.
 
This is the first war in history since WW2, in which both sides are not tired of killing & getting killed, that too after fighting for almost 1- 1/2 years.
 
At the same time the ruble has fallen, so that increases earnings.
If they made €306B last year, and the average rub rate was 74 to a euro, then they made 22.6T rub. But if they make 206B this year, and their average is 95, then they make roughly 20.5T rub. Almost the same as last year.
Not really, since it just causes inflation, so the real earnings are the same. Equally Russian interest rates are now 13% just to try and stabilise the ruble at 1 cent. That racks up more interest on debt, which means even less money.
In order to do that, they are cutting production of crude oil and stopping the export of gas and refined petroleum in order to jack up prices. Once prices are up, they will sale again, 'cause Europe needs energy for the winter.
Europe is already getting gas from elsewhere. Gas is also included in those fossil fuels.
Sure, you can keep believing that. :rolleyes:
Proof of the pudding has been witnessed by all. Only you are still living in la la denial land. Well, you and The Hindustan TCrimes.
It's functioning beyond expectations. The fact that it was exported to China, India and Turkey is proof of that. But also the fact that they failed to export Pantsir shows it's not all that it's cracked up to be. The Pantsir failed evaluations in India when it came to dealing with small targets. Although some of it has been fixed, the war shows it's not enough.
Exports only prove that some customers were dumb at this stage.
Fact.
Sure. But won't help the counteroffensive.
Taking out enemy ammo dumps won't help? :unsure: And yeah, keeping the Russian air force in pieces also helps, as does wrecking railway lines, or even carpeting training grounds in Russia - that would really spice up a live fire exercise.