Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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Typical Communists, confiscation of the personal property of individuals by the state:
For one specific purpose only - climate change programme. The US has to grant them a license.
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L’Otan commande des obus au français Nexter et à l’allemand Junghans Defence pour 1,1 milliard d’euros
NATO orders shells from France's Nexter and Germany's Junghans Defence worth €1.1 billion
In their budget opinion on Programme 146, "Equipment of forces", published in November, senators Hélène Conway-Mouret and Hugues Saury explained that, in terms of munitions, the ambitions of the Ministry of the Armed Forces remained "very inadequate given the requirements of high-intensity combat". He gave the example of 155mm artillery shells. "Deliveries should total 20,000 units by 2024, equivalent to four days' consumption" by the Ukrainian army.
However, according to the two rapporteurs, Nexter [or KNDS France] would need guarantees on an order for 15,000 shells in order to secure the future of the industry and "enable a rapid ramp-up in production from 40,000 to 45,000 shells", with the aim of increasing capacity to 100,000 units per year. The manufacturer "is still calling for more prospects for government orders", he summarised.
However, the European Commission, via Commissioner Thierry Breton, has mobilised manufacturers in EU member states to deliver 1 million artillery munitions to Ukraine. But this promise is taking a long time to materialise... And on 23 January, through its NATO Support and Procurement Agency (NSPA), NATO notified two multinational framework contracts for the purchase of 220,000 155mm shells for the CAESAr and PzH-2000 self-propelled howitzers, worth €1.1 billion.
"The NSPA awarded these contracts as part of the NATO Support and Procurement Organisation's [NSPO] Ammunition Support Partnership [ASP], which was set up in 1993 and now has 26 participating countries. While the initial request was made by three NATO allies, nine members use CAESAr and PZH-2000 howitzers. The agency is therefore hoping for wider participation in this multinational effort," it explained in a press release.
These two "framework contracts" have been awarded to France's Nexter and Germany's Junhans Defence, which specialises in artillery rockets. However, the NSPA does not specify the breakdown of the orders placed. According to a NATO official quoted by Reuters, "the first deliveries are expected by the end of 2025".
These contracts demonstrate that "Nato's proven structures for joint procurement are working", commented Jens Soltenberg, Secretary General of the Atlantic Alliance. "The Russian war in Ukraine has become a battle for ammunition. It is therefore important for the Allies to replenish their own stocks, while continuing to support the Ukrainian forces", he added.
As a reminder, at the Nato summit in Vilnius in July 2023, the Allies approved a Defence Production Action Plan [DPAP] to replenish key equipment stocks by pooling requirements, addressing defence industrial capability needs and improving interoperability and standardisation of equipment. Since then, the NSPA has notified a number of contracts totalling around $10 billion, one of the largest being for the purchase of 1,000 Patriot air defence missiles on behalf of Germany, Romania, the Netherlands and Spain.
NATO orders shells from France's Nexter and Germany's Junghans Defence worth €1.1 billion
In their budget opinion on Programme 146, "Equipment of forces", published in November, senators Hélène Conway-Mouret and Hugues Saury explained that, in terms of munitions, the ambitions of the Ministry of the Armed Forces remained "very inadequate given the requirements of high-intensity combat". He gave the example of 155mm artillery shells. "Deliveries should total 20,000 units by 2024, equivalent to four days' consumption" by the Ukrainian army.
However, according to the two rapporteurs, Nexter [or KNDS France] would need guarantees on an order for 15,000 shells in order to secure the future of the industry and "enable a rapid ramp-up in production from 40,000 to 45,000 shells", with the aim of increasing capacity to 100,000 units per year. The manufacturer "is still calling for more prospects for government orders", he summarised.
However, the European Commission, via Commissioner Thierry Breton, has mobilised manufacturers in EU member states to deliver 1 million artillery munitions to Ukraine. But this promise is taking a long time to materialise... And on 23 January, through its NATO Support and Procurement Agency (NSPA), NATO notified two multinational framework contracts for the purchase of 220,000 155mm shells for the CAESAr and PzH-2000 self-propelled howitzers, worth €1.1 billion.
"The NSPA awarded these contracts as part of the NATO Support and Procurement Organisation's [NSPO] Ammunition Support Partnership [ASP], which was set up in 1993 and now has 26 participating countries. While the initial request was made by three NATO allies, nine members use CAESAr and PZH-2000 howitzers. The agency is therefore hoping for wider participation in this multinational effort," it explained in a press release.
These two "framework contracts" have been awarded to France's Nexter and Germany's Junhans Defence, which specialises in artillery rockets. However, the NSPA does not specify the breakdown of the orders placed. According to a NATO official quoted by Reuters, "the first deliveries are expected by the end of 2025".
These contracts demonstrate that "Nato's proven structures for joint procurement are working", commented Jens Soltenberg, Secretary General of the Atlantic Alliance. "The Russian war in Ukraine has become a battle for ammunition. It is therefore important for the Allies to replenish their own stocks, while continuing to support the Ukrainian forces", he added.
As a reminder, at the Nato summit in Vilnius in July 2023, the Allies approved a Defence Production Action Plan [DPAP] to replenish key equipment stocks by pooling requirements, addressing defence industrial capability needs and improving interoperability and standardisation of equipment. Since then, the NSPA has notified a number of contracts totalling around $10 billion, one of the largest being for the purchase of 1,000 Patriot air defence missiles on behalf of Germany, Romania, the Netherlands and Spain.
I saw CNN interviewing the M109 fleet on the front line, and they said that the Russian army's artillery is 10 times that of the Ukrainian army,
Every month, there are 3000 shells. According to South Korea's announcement, North Korea alone produced 2.3 million shells for the Russian military. This is the reason for Ukraine's failure. After Russia completed mobilization, a sound industrial system could produce sufficient weapons for them, while Ukrainian artillery, although advanced, was scarce in quantity
US, France to lead artillery coalition for Ukraine
“As the situation on the battlefield shows, there is no substitute for modern artillery,” Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov said.www.defensenews.com
No, NK gave those shells from their stockpile and Russia lost a lot of barrels due to their quality or rathert lack thereof. The more shells North Korea gives Russia, the better for Ukraine.
Low-quality shells supplied to Russia by North Korea are injuring its own troops and damaging artillery, Ukraine says
Ukraine claims poor-quality North Korean-supplied shells are injuring Russian soldiers and damaging gun barrels.
www.businessinsider.com
General Staff: Russia using low-quality, defective North Korean shells
In particular, the General Staff said that this appeared to be happening with Russian troops in the Dnipro Group under the command of Colonel General Mikhail Teplinsky, operating in the south of Ukraine.
Russian soldiers complain that North Korean ammo is causing weapons to explode
Vladimir Putin has bought over a million artillery shells and other munitions to use in Ukraine.
Russia Needs Fresh Artillery Barrels, Bad. It’s Yanking Them Off Old Guns By The Thousand.
Thanks to a batch of shells from North Korea, Russian forces in Ukraine are flush with artillery ammunition. What gunners don’t have in abundance are howitzer barrels.
www.forbes.com
Basically non-western countries don't manage the shelf-lives of their munitions very well, and keep them well past the safe to use date.
The effectiveness of an explosive is measured by the volume in which it has the desired effect, and the volume is proportional to the cube of the dimension. This means that if we reduce the targeting error by a ratio of 2, we multiply the effectiveness by a ratio of 8, and if this error is divided by 10, the effectiveness is multiplied by 1000.
So we prefer to produce guided shells rather than conventional shells, which are more common in North Korea, because it simplifies logistics because we need to use fewer of them, it limits collateral effects and it makes it possible to cope with the worldwide shortage of gunpowder.
Having said that, our production was only 1000 shells a month, which we have increased to 3000 shells a month, making 36,000 a year. The NATO contract will see us increase to 100,000 shells in the first year and more in the following years, and a similar phenomenon is set to occur in Germany and other European states, which number 27.
It should also be remembered that 40% of the shells used by Ukraine come from Bulgaria; France is concentrating on other types of production.
That's not all, Russia are getting desperate.
Russia Now Using Giant Soviet-Era Ground-Launched Anti-Ship Missile To Attack Ukraine
Use of the supersonic anti-ship missile — likely a 3M44 — for land attack highlights shortfalls in the Russian standoff missile inventory.
www.thedrive.com
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Turkey ratifies Sweden's NATO membership after protracted delay
Ankara (AFP) Jan 24, 2024 - Turkey's parliament on Tuesday ratified Sweden's NATO membership after more than a year of delays that upset Western efforts to show resolve in the face of Russia's war on Ukraine.
www.spacewar.com
For now. North Korea's artillery shells are not as advanced as those newly produced in the West, but for a massive war. Nearly 1.5 million men on both sides . The quantity of shells is far more important than the quality. I see that the main guided artillery that Ukraine is using now is the American Excalibur. I see no record of French guided shells being used on a large scale, and the largest supplier of 155mm shells to Ukraine is South Korea, not Romania as you said. After all, South Korea is seriously preparing for a war. The same goes for North Korea.
I read about it in February 2023. Germany, announced that it would provide one million artillery shells to Ukraine within a year. But by November. They claim to be only 30 percent complete. And numerous Western media outlets are beginning to report that there is a serious shortage of shells on the Ukrainian front.
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