Ukraine - Russia Conflict

BMD said:
That's his point, if Russia had a proper SEAD/DEAD capability there wouldn't still be strong air defences. As it is they've been reduced to an artillery game, and HIMARS is beating them.

You are right on the Russian air force, it has been broadly ineffective throughout this conflict, reduced to firing stand-off weapons.

HIMARS with a terminal homing capability could make life very dangerous in the Taiwan strait if China chose to invade Taiwan.
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One or two new weapons can hardly change the outcome of the war,
In fact, China has a large number of 300mm satellite-guided rockets in stock with a range of 145KM. If Russia needs it, it can be provided to Russia, which is much better than HIMARS.
HIMARS artillery is not new, China exports a lot of SR-5 to the UAE and Algeria, but Russia has long ignored the long-range rocket system, so it seems that HIMARS is very advanced
As for the Taiwan Strait, in fact, the solution to the problem is very simple. A large number of high-altitude balloons carrying high-performance thermal imagers can realize 24-hour monitoring of the battlefield, and then use ballistic missiles for rapid strikes, or the army's own M20 missiles.
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Innominate said:
It's not even that huge of a battlefield for a ELINT/AEW&C aircraft of which it seems Russia doesn't have.

You may not be able to get there within two minutes but an aircraft carrying high resolution thermals can map the area making it somewhat likely you'll find these vehicles.

Some in here have said they are saving their air force for a war against NATO. :rolleyes:
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In fact, there is no need to be so troublesome at all. Creating some drones and searching the battlefield for a long time can greatly compress the activity space of HIMARS.
 
xxxxx said:
One or two new weapons can hardly change the outcome of the war,
In fact, China has a large number of 300mm satellite-guided rockets in stock with a range of 145KM. If Russia needs it, it can be provided to Russia, which is much better than HIMARS.
HIMARS artillery is not new, China exports a lot of SR-5 to the UAE and Algeria, but Russia has long ignored the long-range rocket system, so it seems that HIMARS is very advanced
As for the Taiwan Strait, in fact, the solution to the problem is very simple. A large number of high-altitude balloons carrying high-performance thermal imagers can realize 24-hour monitoring of the battlefield, and then use ballistic missiles for rapid strikes, or the army's own M20 missiles.
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The US has GMLRS-ER coming through, with a range of 160km, and PrSM with a range of 500+km.

One or two weapons absolutely can change the outcome of wars. Tank - WWI, A-bomb - WWII.

Balloons can be shot down by air defences, HIMARS would be long gone by the time a DF-12 gets there, and HIMARS rockets are way cheaper. A DF-12 is basically a poor version of the Iskander-M as far as I can tell. They're rumoured to cost $5-10m each, a HIMARS rocket costs $100k.

xxxxx said:
In fact, there is no need to be so troublesome at all. Creating some drones and searching the battlefield for a long time can greatly compress the activity space of HIMARS.
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Ukraine has plenty of MANPADS though, and a great deal of makeshift drones themselves. They're also benefitting from better real time battlefield intelligence.
 
BMD said:
The US has GMLRS-ER coming through, with a range of 160km, and PrSM with a range of 500+km.

One or two weapons absolutely can change the outcome of wars. Tank - WWI, A-bomb - WWII.

Balloons can be shot down by air defences, HIMARS would be long gone by the time a DF-12 gets there, and HIMARS rockets are way cheaper. A DF-12 is basically a poor version of the Iskander-M as far as I can tell. They're rumoured to cost $5-10m each, a HIMARS rocket costs $100k.


Ukraine has plenty of MANPADS though, and a great deal of makeshift drones themselves. They're also benefitting from better real time battlefield intelligence.
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What is DF-12? i never heard of
Generally speaking, China's main short-range ballistic missiles are DF17 and DF16.
The previous generation was the DF11 and DF15, which bears no resemblance to the Iskander
China has never introduced Iskander, how can it be imitated
In World War II, Japan surrendered because the United States defeated the Japanese Navy in the Pacific Ocean, and the Soviet Union entered Northeast China and defeated the Japanese Army. Surrender was Japan's last choice.
In the First World War, the British army only got a long strip of open space with no value at the Battle of the Somme. What really made Germany surrender was the exhaustion of German war potential.
As for the high-altitude balloon I mentioned, it is a cheap solution to the problem under the condition of seizing air supremacy. The real solution is to rely on J-20, GJ-11 and satellites.
 
BMD said:
The US has GMLRS-ER coming through, with a range of 160km, and PrSM with a range of 500+km.

One or two weapons absolutely can change the outcome of wars. Tank - WWI, A-bomb - WWII.

Balloons can be shot down by air defences, HIMARS would be long gone by the time a DF-12 gets there, and HIMARS rockets are way cheaper. A DF-12 is basically a poor version of the Iskander-M as far as I can tell. They're rumoured to cost $5-10m each, a HIMARS rocket costs $100k.


Ukraine has plenty of MANPADS though, and a great deal of makeshift drones themselves. They're also benefitting from better real time battlefield intelligence.
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I checked and some people call the M20 DF-12, but it doesn't have any resemblance to Iskander, except that both use double cone warheads and fly according to the Sanger trajectory, which is the beginning of China from the DF-15B Applied Technology
 
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xxxxx said:
I checked and some people call the M20 DF-12, but it doesn't have any resemblance to Iskander, except that both use double cone warheads and fly according to the Sanger trajectory, which is the beginning of China from the DF-15B Applied Technology
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They just happen to be exactly the same length and diameter and look the same.
 
xxxxx said:
What is DF-12? i never heard of
Generally speaking, China's main short-range ballistic missiles are DF17 and DF16.
The previous generation was the DF11 and DF15, which bears no resemblance to the Iskander
China has never introduced Iskander, how can it be imitated
In World War II, Japan surrendered because the United States defeated the Japanese Navy in the Pacific Ocean, and the Soviet Union entered Northeast China and defeated the Japanese Army. Surrender was Japan's last choice.
In the First World War, the British army only got a long strip of open space with no value at the Battle of the Somme. What really made Germany surrender was the exhaustion of German war potential.
As for the high-altitude balloon I mentioned, it is a cheap solution to the problem under the condition of seizing air supremacy. The real solution is to rely on J-20, GJ-11 and satellites.
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DF-12 is an M20.
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DF-12 / M20 | Missile Threat

Originally designed for export, the DF-12 (M20 / CSS-X-15) is a single-stage, solid-fueled ballistic missile with an advertised range of 280 km.
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Nope, 'surrender' literally wasn't in the vocabulary of Imperial Japan because of culture. Millions would have been lost forcing a surrender by any other means besides the A-bomb.

China received a lot of Western support defeating Japan, and were good friends with the US and Britain before the Soviet-backed Communists took over China in 1949 and Mao began a systematic extermination of any Chinese people not on board.
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Chinese Communist Revolution - Wikipedia

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The tank helped win several battles. There were significant areas of land taken.
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Battle of the Somme - Wikipedia

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What also helped win the war was the naval blockade on German ships trying to reach the Atlantic.

Russia's Su-57 hasn't proven very effective in Ukraine and I would wager that American jets and drones will have you beaten in the air. Satellites are useless because a HIMARS/M270-like MLRS will never remain in one spot for long enough.
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randomradio said:
The American sanctions on Russia were too late. Trump practically saved Russia unwittingly. But at least the Americans earn Europe in the process.
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sanctions dont work in a globalized world, look at cuba . If a small country like cuba can survive a big resource rich country like russia will not be having much problem. Sanctions only affect countries which cant even manufacture basic goods , grow staple food or medicines. More or less in the long run they prove counter productive as countries either bypass them or end up acquiring the technology on their own.

America now has unwittingly pushed russia from europe to asia. They will now try to integrate more with south east asia economically and along with china end up creating a new alternate economic block.
 
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