Ukraine - Russia Conflict

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Nope. Joining NATO requires unanimous consent of all present members. And Western European countries were opposed to extending NATO to Ukraine precisely so as to appease Russia's concerns. And Russia knew that.

This was a mistake on their part. In hindsight, we now see that they shouldn't have vetoed Ukraine's entry to NATO in 2008. It would have avoided this war.
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do you understand english? go read & comprehend the statement again --> "self serving bullies" , selfishness is not a mistake its a character.
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The mental contortions you go through are incredible.
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Your feeling & frustration is understandable after miserable failure to fool the rest of the world. After trying all the sorts of convoluted arguments on russian sanctions without themselves implementing it, jokes on the west . Mental gymanstics has gone into such an overdrive that they are vomiting their brains out.
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Russia is bombing Ukraine and sending thousands of people into it with orders of razing and murdering everything they see, and yet you go through insane mental gymnastics to try to pretend it's NATO that is ruining Ukraine.
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Tell us some thing new , what is the difference between US bombing syria/iraq or Russia bombing ukraine? Is it that the ukraine is white or that one of your nato mob members met their match.

So where was the nato mob when ukraine was shelling donetsk ? If ukraine considers the occupied territory as their own why do they even bomb cities with cluster mines? So much love for their own ppl that they dont hesitate to kill them with petal mines.
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No, it's Russia. Russia is the one that is destroying infrastructure and killing people. Russia is the one that is seizing the lands richest in resources and potential.

But since you are incapable of going past your "west = bad, therefore enemies of west = good" mental block, you'll just have to keep contorting facts and denying reality so that you can keep living in your fantasy world where all that is bad and evil is from the abhorred West and everyone else is a perfect flawless angel of pure virtue. I can only hope for your own sake that you enjoy licking Xi Jinping's boots as much as you do Vladimir Putin's.
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.Wests past record is unblemished and their future achievements will put wild animals to shame. You tacitly accept that wests action is sh*** but end up saying every one is like us is pure nonsense. Throughout the history west's action have been biggest threat to peace in the world. Thanks to west, a street fight in some part of the world becomes a global conflagration. Probably you need to look up the meaning of word "mob" in dictionary.

For all the things you puked , pray and let us know us know why the so called defenders of humanity is still trading with china ? SA or venezula.
 
BMD said:
www.yahoo.com

Russia `alarmed' at no US visas to attend UN leaders meeting

Russia’s U.N. ambassador says it’s “alarming” that less than three weeks before the annual meeting of world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly not a single member of the 56-member Russian advance team and delegation headed by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has received a U.S. entry visa...
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Good, why do we even need UN. It is already a defunct organization. These actions will only make it more irrelevant. Ironically west is dismantling its own tools of manipulation.
 
jetray said:
do you understand english? go read & comprehend the statement again --> "self serving bullies" , selfishness is not a mistake its a character.
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You would know all about that.

jetray said:
Your feeling & frustration is understandable after miserable failure to fool the rest of the world. After trying all the sorts of convoluted arguments on russian sanctions without themselves implementing it, jokes on the west . Mental gymanstics has gone into such an overdrive that they are vomiting their brains out.
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No, it's just that all your arguments are complete BS. Countries joining NATO through their own free will to avoid being invaded by Russia is not colonisation. Some sanctions take time to implement, but they will be implemented. Gas has already stopped AFAIK.

jetray said:
Tell us some thing new , what is the difference between US bombing syria/iraq or Russia bombing ukraine? Is it that the ukraine is white or that one of your nato mob members met their match.
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Ukraine had a democratically elected leader who didn't invade another country and conduct nerve gas attacks, torture and genocide against his own people, or take hostages. Any more completely stupid fvcking questions or are you about done for now?

Met their match? How, tell me how you infer this, given that Ukraine is currently giving Russia an a55-whooping with a very limited supply of NATO weapons?


jetray said:
So where was the nato mob when ukraine was shelling donetsk ? If ukraine considers the occupied territory as their own why do they even bomb cities with cluster mines? So much love for their own ppl that they dont hesitate to kill them with petal mines.
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Russian troops have been in the Donbass since 2014. Even a Russian court has admitted as much. If you fire on government forces and try take part of their country for another, you will get attacked. Are you trying to tell me that if I went to India and began firing at the Indian police or military, nobody would fire back? They would instead just allow me to take part of the country? Are you actually a human or just an internet fridge or something?

jetray said:
.Wests past record is unblemished and their future achievements will put wild animals to shame. You tacitly accept that wests action is sh*** but end up saying every one is like us is pure nonsense. Throughout the history west's action have been biggest threat to peace in the world. Thanks to west, a street fight in some part of the world becomes a global conflagration. Probably you need to look up the meaning of word "mob" in dictionary.

For all the things you puked , pray and let us know us know why the so called defenders of humanity is still trading with china ? SA or venezula.
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Care to be specific? Is this about Hussein and Assad again, those two great humanitarians?

Because none of them have invaded a nearby democracy... yet? You see, here's the problem, if we try maintain stability and continuity, you accuse us of something, if we intervene you accuse us of something else. So is this actually about us, or just an internet fridge's attempt to order milk and bread gone badly wrong?
 
jetray said:
Good, why do we even need UN. It is already a defunct organization. These actions will only make it more irrelevant. Ironically west is dismantling its own tools of manipulation.
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The visa applications fell out a window, just like the Lukoil boss.
 
BMD said:
No, it's just that all your arguments are complete BS. Countries joining NATO through their own free will to avoid being invaded by Russia is not colonisation. Some sanctions take time to implement, but they will be implemented. Gas has already stopped AFAIK.
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yeah obviously all those sweet children's were not influenced by any sugar daddy. Russia on its part woke up one fine day and decided that they want to kill all those sweet children that nato is trying to protect. which disney movie is that?
BMD said:
No, it's just that all your arguments are complete BS. Countries joining NATO through their own free will to avoid being invaded by Russia is not colonisation. Some sanctions take time to implement, but they will be implemented. Gas has already stopped AFAIK.
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yeah it was heartwarming altruistic action that was executed immediately with no selfish purpose whatsoever.
BMD said:
Ukraine had a democratically elected leader who didn't invade another country and conduct nerve gas attacks, torture and genocide against his own people, or take hostages. Any more completely stupid fvcking questions or are you about done for now?

Met their match? How, tell me how you infer this, given that Ukraine is currently giving Russia an a55-whooping with a very limited supply of NATO weapons?
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no such thing like maidan revolution happened. Prior to the war the west said ukraine was the most corrupt and biggest abuser of human rights & democracy , all of a sudden they became angels overnight.
BMD said:
Russian troops have been in the Donbass since 2014. Even a Russian court has admitted as much. If you fire on government forces and try take part of their country for another, you will get attacked. Are you trying to tell me that if I went to India and began firing at the Indian police or military, nobody would fire back? They would instead just allow me to take part of the country? Are you actually a human or just an internet fridge or something?
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Question was simple , why does so called angels use petal mines on their own population ? As usual you end up deviating from the original point and start a strawmans argument.
BMD said:
Care to be specific? Is this about Hussein and Assad again, those two great humanitarians?

Because none of them have invaded a nearby democracy... yet? You see, here's the problem, if we try maintain stability and continuity, you accuse us of something, if we intervene you accuse us of something else. So is this actually about us, or just an internet fridge's attempt to order milk and bread gone badly wrong?
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As usual you end up deviating from the discussion, Assad or hussein being bad does not give license to west to indulge in shenanigans. Indirectly you are accepting that west is no different from those monsters its just they lack legitimacy while west ends up using a mob like nato and phony organizations like UN as cover.
 
jetray said:
yeah obviously all those sweet children's were not influenced by any sugar daddy. Russia on its part woke up one fine day and decided that they want to kill all those sweet children that nato is trying to protect. which disney movie is that?
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So now even the act of peaceful 'influencing' is a crime of colonisation? Russia got a really dangerous leader who altered the constitution to allow him to serve >8 years and wants to reinstate a Soviet-style dictatorship over countries that want no part of it via military force.

PS: Probably closest to Star Wars - Emperor Palputine.

jetray said:
yeah it was heartwarming altruistic action that was executed immediately with no selfish purpose whatsoever.
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It was countries trying to avoid the risk of Russian invasion.

jetray said:
no such thing like maidan revolution happened. Prior to the war the west said ukraine was the most corrupt and biggest abuser of human rights & democracy , all of a sudden they became angels overnight.
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Nope, they never said they were the biggest abusers of human rights. Are you even for real. They said it was flawed. Nowhere near as flawed as Russia though.

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jetray said:
Question was simple , why does so called angels use petal mines on their own population ? As usual you end up deviating from the original point and start a strawmans argument.
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I don't even know for sure that they have, and neither do you. When Russia reports something, you have to remember things like this:

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Russian oil oligarch dies 6 months after his firm criticized the Ukraine war. State media says he fell out of a hospital window.

State media suggested Lukoil boss Ravil Maganov died by suicide. His is the latest in a string of untimely deaths of Russian energy bosses.
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Name Your Poison: Exotic Toxins Fell Kremlin Foes

Russia was responsible for the killing of Aleksander Litvinenko, a former security officer who was assassinated with radioactive polonium-210 in London in 2006, the ECHR said. Here's a closer look at poisons believed to have been used in prominent cases of toxic attacks involving Russians.
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Russia literally spends so little time telling the truth, or anything close to it, that it's safer to assume they never tell it.

jetray said:
As usual you end up deviating from the discussion, Assad or hussein being bad does not give license to west to indulge in shenanigans. Indirectly you are accepting that west is no different from those monsters its just they lack legitimacy while west ends up using a mob like nato and phony organizations like UN as cover.
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If Saddam had been removed in 1991, nobody would have given a sh1t. But silly people decided to leave him in power with sanctions killing Iraqis and driving recruitment for Al Quaeda. The only problem there was that it was 12 years late.

But it does make it okay for Russia to support them in killing their own people? But if the west tries to impede that then it's shenanigans.

So because Russia was kicked off the human rights council, the UN is phony? There's a reason they lack legitimacy, try to comprehend that for a second. What you see as parallels and equivalents, simply aren't.
 
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BMD said:
Well we're going to keep dealing with it until Russia is bankrupt either way. 😊
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And in that process the whole Europe will too get bankrupt. Already people are lining up for free ration in Italy and soon British including you maybe standing in queue for free Ration... 😊😊

Putin is not Boris Yeltsin or Gorbachev, he did unthinkable selling crude oil and gas in Rouble Yuan (for China) and Rupee (for India). So Russian economy won't sink as it earns steady income and can get whatever it needs from China and India and therefore will keep floating for decades. I doubt European economy will keep floating without Russian Oil and gas for even next 5 years and if US prints dollars to keep floating Europe the dollar itself will become Toilet Paper taking down the US economy too.... 😊
 
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if US prints dollars to keep floating Europe the dollar itself will become Toilet Paper taking down the US economy too.... 😊
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That's why they are emboldened they want to keep printing money , get rich at worlds expense, expect India , china and other major economies to soak up dollars to keep it afloat. Longer it continues more the damage to the rest of the world. More than them becoming bankrupt rest of the world will end up paying dearly for it , as the prices will sky rocket for no fault of their own. Any country which tries to shake off the system will be subjected to destabilization/war and destroyed to ensure the system is kept intact.
 
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Russian troops captured a Dutch YPR-765 tracked armored personnel carrier in Ukraine. The trophy armored personnel carrier visually looks intact, the car is a copy of the American M-113 armored personnel carrier.


Germany will give Ukraine 30 amphibious vehicles M3 Amphibious Rig. The M3 Amphibious Rig is an amphibious vehicle carrying two large deployable aluminum pontoons on its roof to create pontoon crossings. The car entered service with Germany in 1996 and can deploy pontoons immediately on the go. The M3 ferry is equipped with a 343-horsepower Deutz diesel engine, allowing it to reach a speed of 80 km / h on the highway. Two water jets allow the ferry to move through the water at a speed of 14 km/h.

 
jetray said:
yeah west can keep fooling the world, only problem is facts on the ground prove other wise. Why does it matter what russia is when s*** has already hit the roof in ukraine ?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565984589692157952
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So it has terror groups who damage property. So do European countries, so does India. This is not an excuse for dictatorship to invade a democracy.

I mean, in what world are these a55holes the arbiters of civil rights?

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At least eight Russian businessmen have died in apparent suicide or accidents in just six months

At least eight prominent Russian businessmen have reportedly died by suicide or in as yet unexplained accidents since late January, with six of them associated with Russia's two largest energy companies.
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If China invaded India because of treatment of ethnic Chinese that it deemed unfair, would that be legit? Or would it just be deeply ironic?
 
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