Ukraine - Russia Conflict

[A Person]

stop thinking with your a** , one of the reasons for war is ukraines impending membership to NATO.

Nope. Joining NATO requires unanimous consent of all present members. And Western European countries were opposed to extending NATO to Ukraine precisely so as to appease Russia's concerns. And Russia knew that.

This was a mistake on their part. In hindsight, we now see that they shouldn't have vetoed Ukraine's entry to NATO in 2008. It would have avoided this war.

Obviously if what you say is right then why dint NATO mob immediately approve membership and fight russia. Instead the mob chose to play proxy games and ruin ukraine. NATO mob is nothing more than a bunch of self serving bullies.

The mental contortions you go through are incredible. Russia is bombing Ukraine and sending thousands of people into it with orders of razing and murdering everything they see, and yet you go through insane mental gymnastics to try to pretend it's NATO that is ruining Ukraine.

No, it's Russia. Russia is the one that is destroying infrastructure and killing people. Russia is the one that is seizing the lands richest in resources and potential.

But since you are incapable of going past your "west = bad, therefore enemies of west = good" mental block, you'll just have to keep contorting facts and denying reality so that you can keep living in your fantasy world where all that is bad and evil is from the abhorred West and everyone else is a perfect flawless angel of pure virtue. I can only hope for your own sake that you enjoy licking Xi Jinping's boots as much as you do Vladimir Putin's.

 

[BMD]

Russian air defence in an unusual configuration.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565978298043101185

The mental contortions you go through are incredible.

The crazy thing is, even he knows he's wrong at this point. He just feels an obligation to defend India's friendship with Russia, so makes increasingly desperate arguments.

 

[marich01]

Ukraines media brief on Friday morning apparently confirmed they were shelling the nuclear plant.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565454409424949251

And guess, who are suddenly supporting the Nafo army

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565482978133819392

 

[lcafanboy]

These tactics are still better than Military option( Which Russia is using).

Either way it's colonization....
So west should not preach....

Also post cold war agreement with USSR and now Russia was there won't be any NATO expansion.... Did Western countries adhere to it and if not, WHY???????

 

[BMD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565855735019438095

Russia appears to have been booted from Brazhkivka in the Izium area, as well as two parts of Kherson.

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[BMD]

Either way it's colonization....

No, it really isn't, not even slightly.

So west should not preach....

India has done a lot of preaching about historical colonialism but now suddenly starts twisting definitions and facts when it comes to Russian colonisation.

Also post cold war agreement with USSR and now Russia was there won't be any NATO expansion.... Did Western countries adhere to it and if not, WHY???????

NATO didn't expand until after Russia annexed Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia, which was a breach of the actual written agreement.

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Ukraines media brief on Friday morning apparently confirmed they were shelling the nuclear plant.

What this confirms is that Russian forces were using the plant as a form of human shield.

 

[BMD]

Splash one lizard.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565985908637450240

 

[RASALGHUL]

Russia began its annexations in the early '90s before any NATO expansion - Transnistria, South Ossetia, Abkhazia. This has nothing to do with NATO and is more about re-establishing the USSR. They have even started making adverts to promote such. For Russia it is about controlling resources in order to control others, which absolutely is colonialism. NATO has no choice but to resist this action otherwise it is liable to continue, the pattern has been established. Fortunately this time round the Russian's were brazen enough to incite action from the EU, which has bent over backwards to accommodate Putin.

Russia's initial recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia occurred in the aftermath of the Russo-Georgian War in 2008.
When sakasvilli trumpet the sound for joining NATO, russia attacked.
I dont know much about Transnistria.

How is Russia controlling Resources?

Use your common sense. Amphibious assaults are dangerous under any circumstances, even Russia has steered clear of such around Odessa. Would Ukraine attempt to cross a wide river overlooked by the enemy to take a small area of land surrounded by the enemy? That goes well beyond suicide.

Russian defense ministry did say that 2 barges, some speed boats were used to attack area around NPP. They claim that IAEA officers were to be used as a human shield and in case of any casualty russia will be blamed.
Also Ukraine did shutoff means of electronic communication around kherson. RDM claims heavy losses of AFU in counter-offensive operation around kherson.
I dont know which side is lying.

 

[RASALGHUL]

Stupid people can't have nice things.

Just because Crimea voted to join russia doesn't mean you can deprive them of water.

 

[RASALGHUL]

Either way it's colonization....

NO. It's Not.

So west should not preach....

Agree. US/UK have overthrown/invaded Countries even with democracy being political system.
But that doesn't mean russian invasion is not wrong.
At some point of time you have to enforce International law.

 

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[Lolwa]

Probably because in that case of Ukr being successful, there would be a neutral zone created under ukraine military effectively around the NPP, given the EU & UN will invariably be demanding that. No military command that is holding out a very sensitive & important location would allow such action to succeed. Ukraine held back the delegation for the shelling duration.
There are some pictures of a supposed landing barge, obviously with absolute news blackout in Ukr right now its hard to verify both sides. if ukr were not so sensitive about news leaking out i would have verified both.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565263527736213505

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565282725287940096

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565363561458814978

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565367468335550469

https://twitter.com/x/status/1565329128630394881

now ukr journalists are turning on him. A very disappointing fact is when anything pro ukraine is posted people do not question about it but vice versa not true, even after numerous example of clear propaganda from both sides.

So the Russians are consolidating and waiting for the winter.

 

[Lolwa]

over 700 SOF trained by UK were killed in that failed attempt. the 60 who landed there were killed and another 640 of them on two different big barges were sunk. All dead.

That's a huge set back Ukrainians spec ops units have one of the best equipment and training right now. They have done usually well since 2014

 

[RASALGHUL]

That's a huge set back Ukrainians spec ops units have one of the best equipment and training right now. They have done usually well since 2014

IF it is true. Imperative Word is "IF".

 

[vstol Jockey]

That's a huge set back Ukrainians spec ops units have one of the best equipment and training right now. They have done usually well since 2014

They were killing unarmed civilians in Donbass since 2014 till this war started. IMO anyone who kills unarmed civilians is a coward.

IF it is true. Imperative Word is "IF".

Its true and also accepted by Ukraine that this special Op completely failed with 100% casualties. The 60 who landed were supposed to secure a bridgehead for the follow up 640. They had used rusted old barges used to ferry coal etc and were hiding in them when they were taken out from air and sunk.

 

[lcafanboy]

At some point of time you have to enforce International law.

Yeah..
International Laws...
Oh you mean just like Iraq Syria Libya Afghanistan Vietnam and many more, should I continue.....

 

[BMD]

Russia `alarmed' at no US visas to attend UN leaders meeting

Russia’s U.N. ambassador says it’s “alarming” that less than three weeks before the annual meeting of world leaders at the U.N. General Assembly not a single member of the 56-member Russian advance team and delegation headed by Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has received a U.S. entry visa...

www.yahoo.com

 

[BMD]

Just because Crimea voted to join russia doesn't mean you can deprive them of water.

I'm not sure how legitimate that vote was, Russia isn't generally one for votes, since Russia itself is not a democracy. But the fact is that Crimea is part of Ukraine, so only the whole of Ukraine can vote to relinquish it.

The water comes from Ukraine just surely as Russian gas comes from Russia. It's a natural resource.

 

[BMD]

Russia's initial recognition of the independence of Abkhazia and South Ossetia occurred in the aftermath of the Russo-Georgian War in 2008.
When sakasvilli trumpet the sound for joining NATO, russia attacked.

No, no, no. It happened in the 1990s.

War in Abkhazia (1992–1993) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Georgian Civil War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I dont know much about Transnistria.

Transnistria War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How is Russia controlling Resources?

By capturing foreign territories that have resources, namely Eastern Ukraine and Crimea.

Russian defense ministry did say that 2 barges, some speed boats were used to attack area around NPP. They claim that IAEA officers were to be used as a human shield and in case of any casualty russia will be blamed.
Also Ukraine did shutoff means of electronic communication around kherson. RDM claims heavy losses of AFU in counter-offensive operation around kherson.
I dont know which side is lying.

To me that sounds both suicidal, not useful and hugely counter-productive. Hence, I'm going to dismiss it as Russian propaganda.

There is some kind of offensive in Kherson that has seen partial success, as I've posted on. The comms blackout is in connection to that.

 

[BMD]

Two armoured vehicles of the invaders were incinerated by the DSHV.