Ukraine - Russia Conflict

Ouch! I guess there goes randomradios dream of Indian SU-57.

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That will just make China's exports weaker.
so what, doesnt that argument hold good for dollar too?
countries export to gain dollar which in turn is used to buy goods from other countries. Now when your currency becomes a legal tender in international trade there will be less need for dollars.

Of course pervert capiltalists will harp that less exports means less job growth. But they wont tell you the flip side that ppl will have more buying power due to stronger currency and govt will be able to finance/subsidize more projects/programs.
 
Gotta see what it will be like the year after the war is over. If the Russians end up spending over $100B every year, then the Europeans will find it difficult to keep up.
More money doesnt necessarily translate to results on the ground. I suppose russia would be better off subsidizing/arming allies/chamchas that can keep west busy.
 
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Gotta see what it will be like the year after the war is over. If the Russians end up spending over $100B every year, then the Europeans will find it difficult to keep up.
It can't though. That much should be obvious. Russia's projected GDP for 2022 is $1400bn, $143bn is over 10% of that. And this won't even yield a stronger military, this is just the extra cost of the war. This isn't like some kind of Afghanistan or Iraq style insurgency, this is a full-blown stalemated symmetrical war, with a far higher cost that Vietnam even, both financial and in terms of body count. $143bn is only ~0.03% of the combined GDPs of the US and EU alone, sans Canada, Australia, Japan and ROK occasionally contributing, and Turkey too. The more people Russia sends into the war, the more its GDP falls, since it means less people working in the economy and more economic liabilities, even without including the mass exoduses.

There's only one way this ends. Russia is playing poker with a bad hand that everyone can see.
 
so what, doesnt that argument hold good for dollar too?
countries export to gain dollar which in turn is used to buy goods from other countries. Now when your currency becomes a legal tender in international trade there will be less need for dollars.

Of course pervert capiltalists will harp that less exports means less job growth. But they wont tell you the flip side that ppl will have more buying power due to stronger currency and govt will be able to finance/subsidize more projects/programs.
US exports are very different to Chinese exports. US tends to export mostly extremely high end stuff that has few competitors. China exports mostly tat that could be bought from umpteen other countries, like Vietnam or Indonesia for instance.

More buying power means they'll buy more from other countries. Stronger currency means you can buy more from abroad, but at home, where China conducts projects and programs using in house staff, things will cost the same. This is the problem Russia has. There are now less Roubles to the dollar, but Russia is getting Roubles for oil, so it has less dollars for every barrel sold, and back in Russia everything still costs more Roubles than before anyway, and it has to pay government staff salaries to cover that.

The reason China wants to buy oil in Yuan is likely because its currency is tanking, so it is trying to get it back to where it was in March.


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“No one can really explain… why Russians are fighting so ferociously for it.”

One possible reason for Russia pouring so many men and resources into the battle is that it has become a question of military prestige — after months of trying to take the city, Moscow is reluctant to admit defeat.

Ah, typical psyops. Dismissing crucial Russian victories.

Once Bakhmut falls, the Ukrainian position in the entire region north of it will become untenable. The Russians will get easier access to the E-40 road that connects to Slovyansk as well.
 
US exports are very different to Chinese exports. US tends to export mostly extremely high end stuff that has few competitors. China exports mostly tat that could be bought from umpteen other countries, like Vietnam or Indonesia for instance.

More buying power means they'll buy more from other countries. Stronger currency means you can buy more from abroad, but at home, where China conducts projects and programs using in house staff, things will cost the same. This is the problem Russia has. There are now less Roubles to the dollar, but Russia is getting Roubles for oil, so it has less dollars for every barrel sold, and back in Russia everything still costs more Roubles than before anyway, and it has to pay government staff salaries to cover that.

The reason China wants to buy oil in Yuan is likely because its currency is tanking, so it is trying to get it back to where it was in March.


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They're undermining the USD, you fool. Is that so difficult to understand? If regional powers start transactions in their own currencies who's going to underwrite the massive US debts by subscribing to trade only in USDs. Yuan is the new petrodollar.

Didn't we ask you to refrain from commenting on matters geopolitical & economics? Must we kill ourselves dinning it into skulls as thick as yours to explain what's essentially a simple point?

If all this were so easy to comprehend every second generation peasant & other menials would become a diplomat or an economist. I think Biden's setting an extremely bad precedent in this regard.
 
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Ah, typical psyops. Dismissing crucial Russian victories.

Once Bakhmut falls, the Ukrainian position in the entire region north of it will become untenable. The Russians will get easier access to the E-40 road that connects to Slovyansk as well.
You've said that so many times. Do you not ever tire of being wrong? The fact is, Russia is desperate, they've been so long without any victory that they need something, anything to try sell the war. They've lost 4 cities since they started trying to take this one. Am I wrong? Kharkiv, Izium, Lyman, Kherson. And they've lost several city's worth of soldiers trying to take it too.
Russians and Chinese shouldn't be running off to the US for asylum. They will obviously be treated harshly.
They're treated the same as any other applicant from the third world.... providing red flags don't turn up.
 
More money doesnt necessarily translate to results on the ground. I suppose russia would be better off subsidizing/arming allies/chamchas that can keep west busy.

An increase in arms spending will put a lot of pressure on Europe to arm itself. And they can't afford that now, something they could have just a year ago.

The intensity of proxy wars will increase, but it won't be as impressive as hurting the EU's economy via the energy sector.
 
It can't though. That much should be obvious. Russia's projected GDP for 2022 is $1400bn, $143bn is over 10% of that. And this won't even yield a stronger military, this is just the extra cost of the war. This isn't like some kind of Afghanistan or Iraq style insurgency, this is a full-blown stalemated symmetrical war, with a far higher cost that Vietnam even, both financial and in terms of body count. $143bn is only ~0.03% of the combined GDPs of the US and EU alone, sans Canada, Australia, Japan and ROK occasionally contributing, and Turkey too. The more people Russia sends into the war, the more its GDP falls, since it means less people working in the economy and more economic liabilities, even without including the mass exoduses.

There's only one way this ends. Russia is playing poker with a bad hand that everyone can see.

It's not very expensive, if this war has only forced them to spend a few tens of billions over the last 9 months. It's actually not a happy prospect for anybody if war is this cheap.
 
They're treated the same as any other applicant from the third world.... providing red flags don't turn up.
So people escaping conflict zones are essentially treated on par with immigrants from any other part of the world. And this fool is perfectly fine with it. He doesn't see the contradiction in his position with international law at all.

Goodness knows why this fool's presence isn't restricted only to the music songs & jokes thread.
 
It's not very expensive, if this war has only forced them to spend a few tens of billions over the last 9 months. It's actually not a happy prospect for anybody if war is this cheap.
For Russia it is expensive, because it's on its own and has a generally poor economy.
 
An increase in arms spending will put a lot of pressure on Europe to arm itself. And they can't afford that now, something they could have just a year ago.

The intensity of proxy wars will increase, but it won't be as impressive as hurting the EU's economy via the energy sector.
Europe is already well enough armed to take on Russia, the increases in defence spending that have already happened will further emphasise that. The Russian military is an exhibition military, it seems impressive in crowd displays but here is the result, a well funded, but much smaller fighting force can grind it to a halt. Imagine if the armed forces of 30+ European nations were fighting this war on the ground alongside Ukraine.
Damage at Klintsy military base, Bryansk region, Russia as a result of overnight strike.