Ukraine - Russia Conflict
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It was proved that L55 vs L52 was of a tiny improvement in shell speed, but more a problem to stabilize the gun.
The gun of Challenger 2 uses shorter sparrows. It is less potent than 120mm NATO AT shells.
Russian MBT had the same problem since ww2 : optronic and optic viewfinder are weak.
Max realistic engagement distance of west MBT is 4km when it is only 2,5 or 3 km for russian ones.
Missile attack on Ukraine: what is currently known:
On the morning of January 26,the Russian Armed Forces attacked Ukraine's military and energy facilities with cruise missiles. The first strikes targeted facilities in Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Zaporozhiye, Kharkov and Cherkasy regions at a distance of 100-250 kilometres from the front line.
The Russian Armed Forces then proceeded to hit targets deep within the defence line. At this stage, the strikes targeted the locations of air defence systems and electronic and air reconnaissance stations, as well as AFU aviation based areas.
According to the Military Chronicle, land- and sea-based cruise missiles were launched against targets in the Kiev, Vinnytsia, Nykolayev and Odessa regions.
According to preliminary data, the Kiev hydroelectric power plant in Kiev region was hit. Objects in the Dneprovskyi district of Kiev were also hit.
In the Odessa region, cruise missile strikes knocked out four large substations: Usatove, Mayaki, Malynivske, and the Chumka substation. In some districts of the city and the region, electricity and water supplies were cut off after the substations were hit.
For the third wave of strikes, Lancet borne ammunition was used. The targets of the kamikaze drones in Kharkov region were hangars where the AFU deployed American M777 howitzers, Polish AHS Krab self-propelled units and ammunition for them.
Source: Slavyangrad
On the morning of January 26,the Russian Armed Forces attacked Ukraine's military and energy facilities with cruise missiles. The first strikes targeted facilities in Dnepropetrovsk, Kherson, Zaporozhiye, Kharkov and Cherkasy regions at a distance of 100-250 kilometres from the front line.
The Russian Armed Forces then proceeded to hit targets deep within the defence line. At this stage, the strikes targeted the locations of air defence systems and electronic and air reconnaissance stations, as well as AFU aviation based areas.
According to the Military Chronicle, land- and sea-based cruise missiles were launched against targets in the Kiev, Vinnytsia, Nykolayev and Odessa regions.
According to preliminary data, the Kiev hydroelectric power plant in Kiev region was hit. Objects in the Dneprovskyi district of Kiev were also hit.
In the Odessa region, cruise missile strikes knocked out four large substations: Usatove, Mayaki, Malynivske, and the Chumka substation. In some districts of the city and the region, electricity and water supplies were cut off after the substations were hit.
For the third wave of strikes, Lancet borne ammunition was used. The targets of the kamikaze drones in Kharkov region were hangars where the AFU deployed American M777 howitzers, Polish AHS Krab self-propelled units and ammunition for them.
Source: Slavyangrad
What was Germany thinking?
Living in la la land.
Gun looks pretty stable to me.
Nope. It can also use HESH rounds which are far more devastating against infantry.
A Challenger 1 killed a tank at 5km in Desert Storm, it's still a record today.
That is why he wrote realistic. Freak occurences are not something you can rely on.
Agreed. Hence the usage of ATGMs in Russian tanks.
We're good a freak occurrences though, one of our snipers offed two Taliban machine gunners at over 2700 yards with a .338 LM and a rifle only rated to 1650 yards.
26th January Briefing, Russian Ministry of defence:
In Kupyansk direction, the 'Zapad' Group of Forces inflicted a fire damage on concentration of manpower of 14th and 92nd mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) close to Sinkovka, Timkovka (Kharkov region), and Novoselovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).
More than 20 Ukrainian troops, an armored combat vehicle, a pickup truck, and a D-20 howitzer were eliminated.
In Krasny Liman direction, units of the 25th Airborne and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of the AFU close to Yampolovka (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as Serebryansky forest area, were hit by strikes of Operational-Tactical and Army Aviation of the 'Tsentr' Group of Forces.
The enemy's losses during the day in this area amounted to up to 70 troops killed and wounded, two armoured fighting vehicles, and four US-made M-777 artillery systems.
In Donetsk direction, units of the 'Yug' Group of Forces took better ground and positions during the offensive.
An artillery ammunition depot of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been destroyed near Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).
More than 40 Ukrainian servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, two Grad MLRS systems, a US-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery unit, two D-20 and Hyacinth-B howitzers, and a US-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radiation station have been neutralised.
In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, units of the 'Vostok' Group of Forces, continuing their offensive, inflicted fire on the enemy in the areas of Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic), Pavlovka and Levadnoye (Zaporozhye region).
Total enemy losses in this direction amounted to 60 Ukrainian servicemen, three armoured fighting vehicles, and two pick-up trucks.
Moreover, two fuel storage facilities for military equipment and three ammunition depots belonging to the AFU were destroyed near the towns of Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic) and Chervonoye and Kantserovka (Zaporozhye region).
In Kherson direction, three D-20 howitzers, a Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer, and two US-made AN/TPQ-37 and AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar stations were annihilated as part of counter-battery countermeasures.
Also, four ammunition depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in the areas of Dudchany, Tokarevka (Kherson region), and Chervonogrygovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Armed Forces' grouping of troops (forces) engaged 83 artillery units at firing positions, as well as manpower, and military hardware in 119 areas.
One radar of Ukrainian S-300 air defence system was destroyed near Ochakov (Nikolayev region).
Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down one Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Andreevka (Donetsk People's Republic).
Russian air defence facilities have shot down 1 Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic).
Also, eight Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were obliterated in the areas of Kreminna, Zhytlovka, Novokrasnyanka (Lugansk People's Republic), Nikolskoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Novoprokopovka, and Dorozhnyanka of the Zaporozhye region.
Seven Olha, Uragan and HIMARS multiple-launch rocket shells were intercepted near Kreminna (Lugansk People's Republic), Kuybyshevo, Valerianovka (Donetsk People's Republic), Novouspenovka (Zaporozhye region) and Chaplynka (Kherson region).
In addition, a US-made HARM anti-radar missile was shot down near the village of Kostogryzovo (Kherson region).
Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452613@egNews
In Kupyansk direction, the 'Zapad' Group of Forces inflicted a fire damage on concentration of manpower of 14th and 92nd mechanised brigades of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) close to Sinkovka, Timkovka (Kharkov region), and Novoselovskoye (Lugansk People's Republic).
More than 20 Ukrainian troops, an armored combat vehicle, a pickup truck, and a D-20 howitzer were eliminated.
In Krasny Liman direction, units of the 25th Airborne and 95th Airborne Assault Brigades of the AFU close to Yampolovka (Donetsk People's Republic), as well as Serebryansky forest area, were hit by strikes of Operational-Tactical and Army Aviation of the 'Tsentr' Group of Forces.
The enemy's losses during the day in this area amounted to up to 70 troops killed and wounded, two armoured fighting vehicles, and four US-made M-777 artillery systems.
In Donetsk direction, units of the 'Yug' Group of Forces took better ground and positions during the offensive.
An artillery ammunition depot of the Ukrainian Armed Forces has been destroyed near Konstantinovka (Donetsk People's Republic).
More than 40 Ukrainian servicemen, an infantry fighting vehicle, two Grad MLRS systems, a US-made M109 Paladin self-propelled artillery unit, two D-20 and Hyacinth-B howitzers, and a US-made AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radiation station have been neutralised.
In South Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, units of the 'Vostok' Group of Forces, continuing their offensive, inflicted fire on the enemy in the areas of Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic), Pavlovka and Levadnoye (Zaporozhye region).
Total enemy losses in this direction amounted to 60 Ukrainian servicemen, three armoured fighting vehicles, and two pick-up trucks.
Moreover, two fuel storage facilities for military equipment and three ammunition depots belonging to the AFU were destroyed near the towns of Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic) and Chervonoye and Kantserovka (Zaporozhye region).
In Kherson direction, three D-20 howitzers, a Gvozdika self-propelled howitzer, and two US-made AN/TPQ-37 and AN/TPQ-50 counter-battery radar stations were annihilated as part of counter-battery countermeasures.
Also, four ammunition depots of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were hit in the areas of Dudchany, Tokarevka (Kherson region), and Chervonogrygovka, Dnepropetrovsk Region.
Operational-Tactical Aviation, Missile Troops and Artillery of the Russian Armed Forces' grouping of troops (forces) engaged 83 artillery units at firing positions, as well as manpower, and military hardware in 119 areas.
One radar of Ukrainian S-300 air defence system was destroyed near Ochakov (Nikolayev region).
Fighter aviation of Russian Aerospace Forces has shot down one Su-25 aircraft of Ukrainian Air Force near Andreevka (Donetsk People's Republic).
Russian air defence facilities have shot down 1 Su-25 airplane of Ukrainian Air Force near Ugledar (Donetsk People's Republic).
Also, eight Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were obliterated in the areas of Kreminna, Zhytlovka, Novokrasnyanka (Lugansk People's Republic), Nikolskoye (Donetsk People's Republic), Novoprokopovka, and Dorozhnyanka of the Zaporozhye region.
Seven Olha, Uragan and HIMARS multiple-launch rocket shells were intercepted near Kreminna (Lugansk People's Republic), Kuybyshevo, Valerianovka (Donetsk People's Republic), Novouspenovka (Zaporozhye region) and Chaplynka (Kherson region).
In addition, a US-made HARM anti-radar missile was shot down near the village of Kostogryzovo (Kherson region).
Source: https://eng.mil.ru/en/special_operation/news/more.htm?id=12452613@egNews
It's basically a play. They have a script written by Russia's modern day agit-prop equivalent and they play their allocated role.
I think it's clear they will likely be F-16's since Euro nations can hand over their F-16's that are about to be retired but it would be nice if they were US Marine F-18C's which are more capable than many F-16's that Europe flies. US Marine F-18C's or retired USN F-18C's are Harpoon, Aim-120D, JSOW and HARM capable.
