The worst time in India's long civilisational history was British rule. That's saying something.
Nah, from India's PoV too, the American move is too early. But India has less to complain while Russia has more to complain, nothing much to see here.
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The worst time in India's long civilisational history was British rule. That's saying something.
Nah, from India's PoV too, the American move is too early. But India has less to complain while Russia has more to complain, nothing much to see here.
So how come most of the fighters who conquered India were Indians who signed up just to get a regular wage?
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You were half invaded by Muslims and burning widows at the stake in 1751.
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And in WWII you would have been invaded by the Japanese Army and your own people probably would have signed up to invade you again.
I don't condone the British Empire but you have created a fictional history about how it was both before, during and after to cover up for incompetence.
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So how come most of the fighters who conquered India were Indians who signed up just to get a regular wage?
5 Most Powerful Empires in History
Since their invention in the tenth century, engineers, soldiers and tinkerers have constantly tried to make firearms more deadly. Typically that involves moving to heavier bullets driven by more powerful gunpowders, and while that is effective it is also louder, generates more recoil and...
You were half invaded by Muslims and burning widows at the stake in 1751.
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And in WWII you would have been invaded by the Japanese Army and your own people probably would have signed up to invade you again.
India is like Europe, but a lot of separate countries and cultures intermingling in a single pot. But if you turn India back into Europe again, using "Indians" to attack "Indians" could be rephrased into using "Romanians" to attack the "Russians". So India's not a monolith.
During WW2, Indian troops that were taken prisoners in Africa, ME, Europe and SE Asia, were trained in Japan to fight the British. This army was called the Indian National Army. And this army was one of the crucial factors for the British leaving India.
The issue with British rule was the British did not have any intentions of nation building. It was no different from the American occupation of Afghanistan, but this one lasted 200 years and saw pretty much the entire population falling into poverty, and the Americans did not steal from the Afghans. And at the end of the British rule, after WW2, there was no Marshall plan for India either.
Btw, you were talking about China. They had some additional benefits, like not being entirely reliant on rain for farming, or the fact that they didn't have to import oil until the mid 90s. But their biggest advantage was they received a lot of technology and investments since 1974 from the West, which is still going strong today.
I will not call pre british indian society a fully civilized one, i repeat "FULLY CIVILIZED". It was having a lot of lacunas, somewhere rectified during british rule, some are still persisting.
Or maybe a few rich sultans were well off and everyone else was getting screwed.
Yeah, I'm sure the Imperial era Japanese military would have treated you well.
This is why China is beating you, lack of critical thinking.Oh dear God, lot's of money was spent nation building in Afghanistan. You were already in poverty, why else would your own people sign up to a foreign army for a regular wage? Part of your country was under Mughal rule, and don't say you would have defeated them because a fvcking trading company (not even a military) recruited your own people to take over India.
So how come you were doing worse relative to China in 1751 than 1947, much worse and more people died from famine in China during the same period? What about practises like Sati, child marriage and untouchability in India, which existed prior to 1751?
Feels like the Russians have taken a long time out, huh? Feels like they are stuck in mud and don't know what to do.
Or maybe a few rich sultans were well off and everyone else was getting screwed.
Yeah, I'm sure the Imperial era Japanese military would have treated you well.
Oh dear God, lot's of money was spent nation building in Afghanistan. You were already in poverty, why else would your own people sign up to a foreign army for a regular wage? Part of your country was under Mughal rule, and don't say you would have defeated them because a fvcking trading company (not even a military) recruited your own people to take over India.
So how come you were doing worse relative to China in 1751 than 1947, much worse and more people died from famine in China during the same period? What about practises like Sati, child marriage and untouchability in India, which existed prior to 1751?
You forget that it was us who fought off the Japs, even liberated Myanmar in the process.
Even the Americans admit they didn't enter Afghanistan with nation building in mind, so they didn't do it.
Before British rule, we were always doing better than the Chinese, except for one-off situations.
Sati was practiced by the wives of defeated noblemen and clergy who didn't want to become spoils of war in the hands of Muslims. I don't know why the Brits are being credited for abolishing Sati, it was Raja Ramohan Roy. It's just that the Brits were the administirative heads and had to pass it into law, but the actual groundwork was done by Indians. Regardless, it was gonna die out anyway. It's a cultural evolution after the demise of Muslim rulers. The caste system and untouchability became a problem under British rule. Until British rule, there was no concept called "Hinduism". And the caste system was so flexible that until the British came, no one actually cared much about it.
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As percentage of population, British rule killed more people and pushed more people into destitution than even Mao did. It was the British who rigidied the caste system. Basically, pretty much all of India's social problems today came into existence only after British rule. Furthermore, India was deindustrialised over two centuries, and after independence, was abandoned. That was followed up by creating international roadblocks that prevented India from raising capital for economic development, and then pushed India into an aid regime which further stressed India's social structure and economy, while at the same time funding the development of China.
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You forget that if you were invaded by a trading company with the help of your own people, there is no way that such a society could have fought off the Imperial Japanese military in the early 1940s without the interceding 190 years reshaping the Indian Army. Not even nearly.
Army
The pride and honor of our nation, the Indian army, was formed in the British era. The culture, discipline, and a lot of the army practices that still persist belong to the pre-independence era.
They still spent billions on it.
Based on what evidence?
Sati was practiced by the wives of defeated noblemen and clergy who didn't want to become spoils of war in the hands of Muslims. I don't know why the Brits are being credited for abolishing Sati, it was Raja Ramohan Roy. It's just that the Brits were the administirative heads and had to pass it into law, but the actual groundwork was done by Indians. Regardless, it was gonna die out anyway. It's a cultural evolution after the demise of Muslim rulers. The caste system and untouchability became a problem under British rule. Until British rule, there was no concept called "Hinduism". And the caste system was so flexible that until the British came, no one actually cared much about it.
Viewpoint: How the British reshaped India's caste system
A complex system of beliefs and social identities was oversimplified by colonisers, writes Sanjoy Chakravorty.
Social reforms
Perhaps the biggest contribution of British in India was removal of social practices like Sati, child marriage, untouchability. Not only they banned such cruel inhumane practices, they also promoted a widow’s remarriage. Just imagine what India would be if such practices still existed. British passed many acts and ordinances to eradicate such social practices, many social reformers like Raja Ram Mohan Roy supported the British in the cause.
Vaccination
During the late 19th and early 20th centuries, Smallpox spread as an epidemic in India, and due to lack of sanitary knowledge among the Indians, the British knew the situation could escalate quickly. They passed a Compulsory Vaccination Act passed in India in 1892 to prevent smallpox. They also set up ‘Sanitary Commissioners’ in the various regions to keep a check on the disease by setting up dispensaries.
I will also add that during that period of history there is literally no way you could have escaped invasion, if it wasn't Britain it would have been someone else, indeed it already had been. It was wrong, but it's the way history was the world over, you did the same yourselves and Britain had the same done to it.
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