United States Military Aviation

This thread is for US aviation discussions, do your mk 2 timeline comparisons with F 47, NGAD, FCAS, etc on the MK 2 thread. You are adding nothing here.

Not really, US won't sell the F 47 atleast for the initial years of it's manufacturing. I don't think Japan will order with their participation in GCAP though.
US cannot sell F22, because US law prohibits it.
 
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What if some senetor brings some sh!tty bill/law to stop exporting F47 to outside US? This was the reason F22's pathet life cycle as fighter.
The reason why F-22 short life cycle was because of the "War on Terror" where it went from 700+F-22's to 350 to 190. Had to cut many programs and F-22 was one of them.

F-22 was never built for export therefor its codes were not heavily encrypted like the F-35's
 
This thread is for US aviation discussions, do your mk 2 timeline comparisons with F 47, NGAD, FCAS, etc on the MK 2 thread. You are adding nothing here.
Yeah right! 35 post and act like you know shit.

Be thankful I am comparing it to just Mk2... There is a bigger monster in HAL's basement lurking since 97, lol.

US F-47 seems to be flying for 5 years. It is much further in the development that US wants to admit.
The reason why F-22 short life cycle was because of the "War on Terror" where it went from 700+F-22's to 350 to 190. Had to cut many programs and F-22 was one of them.

F-22 was never built for export therefor its codes were not heavily encrypted like the F-35's
That being said, I doubt any airforce will be able to make best use of F-47 unless fully integrated in US eco system. That means US drones, US AEW&C platform and other US fighters to network with.
 
Yeah right! 35 post and act like you know shit.

Be thankful I am comparing it to just Mk2... There is a bigger monster in HAL's basement lurking since 97, lol.

US F-47 seems to be flying for 5 years. It is much further in the development that US wants to admit.
What? I am just saying this isn't a thread for mk 2, so do your mk 2 timeline comparisons in the mk 2 thread instead of here because this is for US aviation and talking about mk 2 here doesn't add anything to the discussion.

And are seriously trying to boast your number of posts on an internet forum? Lmao.
 
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Dont know about other countries but F-22 certainly was Japan's first choice for a new ASF. It was only after their official request to buy the jet was denied that they signed for F-35.

I could see the US refusing to export F-22 to countries like Taiwan (because of the threat of Chinese espionage) but Japan is a top tier ally. With F-47, the US may have had a change of heart because of emerging competitors like GCAP.

GCAP is meant to replace Japanese F-2s. And Japan has 300 jets to replace in total. A rising China may force them to invest in more jets. So Japan can still buy some F-47s.
 
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That being said, I doubt any airforce will be able to make best use of F-47 unless fully integrated in US eco system. That means US drones, US AEW&C platform and other US fighters to network with.

F-47 is being designed to not rely entirely on external sources, especially with drones.

A flight of 4 F-47s would have 4 pilots, drones can carry additional sensors, avionics, and weapons meant to do the job of AWACS, other fighters etc.
 
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GCAP is meant to replace Japanese F-2s. And Japan has 300 jets to replace in total. A rising China may force them to invest in more jets. So Japan can still buy some F-47s.
Japan also wants to replace their F-15Js with a new ASF. After the US declined to sell them an export-grade F-22, they launched the ATD-X program to prove techs for a clean sheet F-3 fighter which atleast conceptually resembled the FCAS design.

The Japs eventually chose to join the GCAP consortium but given the design similarities between FCAS and F-3, I suspect they would've preferred Dassault had the FCAS program taken off.

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But given Trump's whiplash of a tongue and the race for 6G fighter heating up, I think France will clear the decks for FCAS sooner than later.
 
Japan also wants to replace their F-15Js with a new ASF. After the US declined to sell them an export-grade F-22, they launched the ATD-X program to prove techs for a clean sheet F-3 fighter which atleast conceptually resembled the FCAS design.

The Japs eventually chose to join the GCAP consortium but given the design similarities between FCAS and F-3, I suspect they would've preferred Dassault had the FCAS program taken off.

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But given Trump's whiplash of a tongue and the race for 6G fighter heating up, I think France will clear the decks for FCAS sooner than later.

SCAF will go ahead as planned. There is no other alternative to keep Germany and Spain reeled in. But it doesn't meet Japan's timeline requirement. The Japanese need an F-2 replacement from 2035, the reason for pursuing GCAP. SCAF is 2045+.

GCAP is just a fighter whereas F-47 is a part of a larger system, so both do not directly compete with each other.
 
Whats your source?

Again. whats your source?

What do you mean by that? It's meant to operate deep inside enemy territory, where all these alternative assets are not available.

It's not gonna have AWACS support, tanker support, or other fighters when it's over Beijing or Moscow. Only itself and its accompanying wingmen drones to keep company, and of course satellites.

Its primary job during penetration is to keep the B-21 alive.

All other jets today do not perform penetration to that scale. Rafale does a little bit, probably 300-500 km, after some thorough intellignce gathering, but the rest have to rely on stealthy or speedy long range missiles for deep penetration. And this includes F-22 and F-35. Even J-20 and Su-57.

Alternatively, stealth drones built up to the same standards as the F-47 and B-21. The ADE/IAF are currently deciding on their main stealth drone for this mission for introduction from 2035. It's gonna start soon, within a few months.

So the F-47 is going to be an independent decision-maker, not just a fighter jet. And the IAF is developing its own satellite constellations. So if the IAF decides to import it, we can use it almost as effectively as the USAF without having to worry about their backend ecosystem. Of course, our version will need modifications like the F-35I, even if it is downgraded. The rest of the world without satellite constellations will require the US ecosystem.

But at the same time, we are going for a full unmanned capability when it comes to deep strike. We could end up being the first air force to do that, removing the need for a legacy stealth jet for such a role (there, I said it @Picdelamirand-oil).
 
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