US Presidential Elections 2024.

[Parthu]

The ICC occasionally gets it wrong but state-sponsored kidnapping of children is never right. Basically SA was pissed that couldn't invite Putin to their shithole summit and pressured the ICC.

That's exactly what Putin did and then bragged about it on state TV. No arrest warrant for a kidnapper who openly admits it could possibly be wrong, because there's no grounds for uncertainty. Whereas secondaries coming from under civilian buildings and Hamas leaders posing as UNWRA officers in refugee camps is more than reaosnable doubt on its own.

No they're not.

Ukrainian children recount horrors of being kidnapped by Russian soldiers

"I go around the world to tell about my mom. So maybe someone in the U.S. can hear me and help find her," said 13-year-old Sasha Radchuck.

www.cbsnews.com

‘We had to hide them’: how Ukraine’s ‘kidnapped’ children led to Vladimir Putin’s arrest warrant

Thousands have been taken to Russia for ‘adoption’ or ‘re-education’, but the international community is seeking justice• Russia-Ukraine war – live updates

www.theguardian.com

Ukraine’s Stolen Children (Published 2023)

Thousands of young Ukrainians were separated from their parents by the Russian authorities in the early stages of the war. They are among the most forlorn victims of the invasion.

www.nytimes.com

Commended for kidnappinbg children?


Only a kangaroo-fcuker would try to justify kidnapping children.

Putin only said they were ensuring the children are kept safe, away from the warzone. Which is commendable.

Those stories planted in the Western press cannot be trusted. If they can lie about WMDs they can lie about this.

You need to use a little bit of common-sense. The charge is stupid. Just like the one levelled on Netanyahu. These charges are simply designed to pull at heart-strings so that financing the war (or antisemitism) becomes justifiable.

Very few compared to the amount the West gets. If you were wrongly accused of a crime in a foreign country would you rather be tried in the US, Russia, China, DPRK or South Africa?

The number doesn't matter - the point is you cannot apply your national law to a different sovereign country. The only way to do that is through invasion where you change the sovereign authority of that country and replace it with your own.

If that is justified, then Russia's annexation is also justified.

Didn't imply they did.

So what are you implying?

Doesn't prove your point at all. People joined the EU for a better economy and subsequently joined NATO but trading and relations with Russia increased until they turned feral.

What does that have to do with anything. You're the one saying if people from a country emigrate to you, that gives you the authority to impose your national laws over that country.

You're a neo-imperialist, which is exactly what Russia accuses you of being. Your statements aren't helping your arguments, they're working against them.

Germany never attacked the US though.

After someone openly declares war on your country and an alliance partner of theirs has already attacked you, nobody is going to sit around waiting for Germany to attack. That would be stupid.

And remember, Germany began the Holocaust much before. But US did not attack them because of that.

Genocide on our doorstep will always prompt that response.

That's what I said isn't it? You would invade Russia even if they don't attack you - as long as they are doing something that you can construe as a casus belli to attack them.

They've always had air superiority over Russia which trumps everything else.

Gonna take a lot more than that. Look at how the war in Ukraine is shaping up. There's a reason the US/EU are funding the production of the basics like artillery & vehicles instead of just diverting all resources toward transferring airpower to Ukraine.

You're they one who wants to give Israel more funding instead of Ukraine. As far as occupied territories in that region go though, the other side caused it by persistently trying o wipe Israel out.

Hey, I'm not the one claiming to be a knight defender of international law. I'm a backer of my country's strategic interests and I fully recognize that all countries have their own interests which is what they ultimately should (and do) pursue. What I hate are people who do all the same sh!t everyone else does, but then claim to be principled actors free of all sin.

If it were up to me, I'd let Israel take over the whole of West Bank and push the Palestinians across the river into Jordan where they can at least live amongst fellow Arabs. This probably wouldn't even have been a problem had the Brits let the Arabs live amongst other Arabs with the river as a natural boundary between them and the Jews instead of drawing a stupid border where they did.

Only an idiot pipes on about matters from over a century ago to make a point on the present. I mean I'm surprised you don't try justifying Russia's kidnapping with of children by using ritual sacrifices from the Mayan and Incan periods, and you wonder why I think you're silly.

So a gunman shoots a dozen people on the street today and you think that we shouldn't consider it because Turkey killed Armenians 105 years ago? You must have Down's.

You're living in the past. Flank size won't matter when their air defence gets neuralised and aircraft liberally bomb their front lines.

Depends on the severity. By that 'logic' Israel isn't justified in attacking Gaza because it was an insurgent group.


Clearly you didn't. And correct, they shouldn't have opened fire anyway, also it's 54 years ago. Russia locked people up just for assembling. It's locked people up for 7 years just for criticising the war in a private phone call. And Russian prisons are worse than being shot. Then you have all the extrajudicial poisonings using nerve agent, and throwing out windows besides.

Actually genocide wasn't recognised until 1940 in International Law and law absolutely does distinguish between past and present. Nobody can be tried retrospectively under laws that weren't in effect at the time of the offence.

That's why I keep saying you need to consider everything after the UN Charter got drafted. But if I do that, you come up with BS excuses and say that doesn't matter and we need to draw the line at the end of Cold War instead, which is the most arbitrary sh!t I've ever heard.

It's useless to argue this with you - you'll never admit to any wrongdoing on the part of your government or that of anyone that's aligned with your government's views.

Probably because you'll be sent to jail if you were to speak against your government.

'Think before you post”: The U.K. is now jailing people for social media comments

Western civilization appears to be on the cusp of a new Dark Age — for any government that arrests and locks up its own citizens for saying, writing, or thinking the “wrong” opinions or beliefs can no longer say it stands for freedom or human rights. The United Kingdom has ramped up its...

www.standingforfreedom.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858803173848182941

I understand your compulsions & fears. I understand that you're helpless under your authoritarian leadership. I don't blame you.

No they didn't. They did not annex any part of Iraq and they removed a war criminal whom the Iraqi people hung.

So it's okay to invade & overthrow a foreign government without a UN mandate as long as you don't annex them?

No they didn't. Collaterial damage and direct and deliberate bombing are recognised equally under international law.

Anyone can bomb a civilian target for psychological warfare and then claim they thought it was being used to house military personnel.

Read your own links, they were tried and imprisoned. The government did not order them to commit those crimes. Putin hasn't tried anybody for crimes and even bragged about the kidnappings.

You read the links.

Haditha Massacre:

...six defendants had their cases dropped and a seventh was found not guilty. The exception was Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich. On October 3, 2007, the Article 32 hearing investigating officer recommended that charges of murder be dropped and Wuterich be tried for negligent homicide in the deaths of two women and five children. Further charges of assault and manslaughter were ultimately dropped. Wuterich was convicted of one count of negligent dereliction of duty on January 24, 2012. Wuterich received a rank reduction and pay cut but avoided jail time.

24 civilians, including women & children, shot dead and nobody really served a full sentence. They didn't even get convicted for murder.

This is AFTER the Cold War btw (as if that matters).

Israel isn't facing an existential threat unless they keep going until every one of their neighbours turns against them. Just hold the Phili corridor to cut off weapons from Hamas and ceasefire. If the enemy refuses to cease fire, then they have the moral high ground.

They already have the moral high ground. Most of their neighbours are already either overtly or covertly friends with Israel (with the exception of Syria & Lebanon). They're just forced to maintain a pro-Palestinian stand so they don't upset the wider Muslim world.

The real problem are countries like Iran, Qatar & Turkey which are operating on the fringes, using Hamas & Hezbollah as proxies to keep the conflict hot so that the countries they treat as potential hostiles/competitors (Israel, Saudi, UAE) don't grow too close.

It seems Qatar got a call from the Trump team - they chased the Hamas leadership out of their country as soon as he won. Now Turkey & Iran are the problem.

No, we always say what we're going to do.

Putin announced the SMO before he did it, too.

The important part is, whether what you're doing is in line with international law (as you claim everything should be) or not. Your actions are not, and neither are the Russian's.

Where did I say that and in relation to what?

With relation to European dependence on US not being a dependence because they're buying stuff, not receiving them for free.

That's not what Europe said at all.

So why do they keep buying from us?

https://www.business-standard.com/economy/news/russian-oil-finds-way-to-europe-india-now-biggest-exporter-of-fuel-to-eu-124111000177_1.html

 

[BMD]

Show this type of energy when you will fight Russians.
Hope, they do the same to your racist country as what they did with Nazis.

What? Collaborate with us?

Regarding Cholas, you again came up with half cut history which don't get to root cause, so I am not going to reply.
Malnutrition? your empire was the inventor of malnutrition.
Who can forget that churchill words to bengali people during WW2, so tame down.
Here, this is our government, chosen by our own people.
You want to go that route then, become India colony for 200 years and let me tell you, we will not loot, your country will only prospere.

‘No Child Should Sleep on Empty Stomach’: One Man Has Served Free Food to 1 Mn People

After learning how many people die of hunger, Nilay Agarwal set out on a mission to make India starvation free with the help of volunteers.

thebetterindia.com

Complain about colonialism for 77 years, then turn around and support it when Russia does it in the 21st century, then talk about Western hypocrisy.

 

[Heroforever]

What? Collaborate with us?

What the hell does this even mean? fish and chips AMERICAN DOG.
please explain.

Complain about colonialism for 77 years, then turn around and support it when Russia does it in the 21st century, then talk about Western hypocrisy.

Forget about your country crimes and poke sufferer and when sufferer start naming reasons, then make fun about that country sufferings again and after sufferers start hitting back, then say "OII, MAATE, MOI COUNTRY, MOI RUULESS".

 

[BMD]

Putin only said they were ensuring the children are kept safe, away from the warzone. Which is commendable.

Those stories planted in the Western press cannot be trusted. If they can lie about WMDs they can lie about this.

You need to use a little bit of common-sense. The charge is stupid. Just like the one levelled on Netanyahu. These charges are simply designed to pull at heart-strings so that financing the war (or antisemitism) becomes justifiable.

No , he kidnapped them. Stop trying to change facts.

Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-children-abducted-by-russia-left-with-psychological-scars-campaigners-2024-06-15/

I'm not the one lackinh common sense here.

The number doesn't matter - the point is you cannot apply your national law to a different sovereign country. The only way to do that is through invasion where you change the sovereign authority of that country and replace it with your own.

If that is justified, then Russia's annexation is also justified.

So right and wrong doesn't matter, justice and injustice doesn't matter basically? One guy who appoints himself king can do as he pleases? Nah, fcuk that noise.

So what are you implying?

That Germany need to get to work building nuclear power stations.

What does that have to do with anything. You're the one saying if people from a country emigrate to you, that gives you the authority to impose your national laws over that country.

You're a neo-imperialist, which is exactly what Russia accuses you of being. Your statements aren't helping your arguments, they're working against them.

That doesn't even relate to the comment you quoted. The illegality of genocide isn't isn't just a national law either.

After someone openly declares war on your country and an alliance partner of theirs has already attacked you, nobody is going to sit around waiting for Germany to attack. That would be stupid.

And remember, Germany began the Holocaust much before. But US did not attack them because of that.

Serbia also began it's genocide long before, and Saddam committed his countless crimes against humanity long before, including the invasion of a neighbour.

That's what I said isn't it? You would invade Russia even if they don't attack you - as long as they are doing something that you can construe as a casus belli to attack them.

No because they have a large nuclear arsenal and why not just not commit genocide?

Gonna take a lot more than that. Look at how the war in Ukraine is shaping up. There's a reason the US/EU are funding the production of the basics like artillery & vehicles instead of just diverting all resources toward transferring airpower to Ukraine.

They're keeping the bulk of the airpower for their own defence because it's more costly. Even with limited resources the weakness of Russian air defence has been proven beyond doubt.

Hey, I'm not the one claiming to be a knight defender of international law. I'm a backer of my country's strategic interests and I fully recognize that all countries have their own interests which is what they ultimately should (and do) pursue. What I hate are people who do all the same sh!t everyone else does, but then claim to be principled actors free of all sin.

There's almost free of sin and morally black as soot, which is what Putin is. Annexing land is illegal if you do it off the back. As regards its legality if the other side keeps attacking you first and trying to wipe you out, that's not as clear under international law, because there is a clear and proven national security issue as opposed to a mere worry/batsh*t-crazy conspiracy theory, as is the case with Russia.

If it were up to me, I'd let Israel take over the whole of West Bank and push the Palestinians across the river into Jordan where they can at least live amongst fellow Arabs. This probably wouldn't even have been a problem had the Brits let the Arabs live amongst other Arabs with the river as a natural boundary between them and the Jews instead of drawing a stupid border where they did.

The border was agreed by the UN, so don't trying blaming everything on us. Britain originally didn't want to put Israel there because it foresaw all these problems.

That's why I keep saying you need to consider everything after the UN Charter got drafted. But if I do that, you come up with BS excuses and say that doesn't matter and we need to draw the line at the end of Cold War instead, which is the most arbitrary sh!t I've ever heard.

It's useless to argue this with you - you'll never admit to any wrongdoing on the part of your government or that of anyone that's aligned with your government's views.

Well we can draw the line after WWII but Russia still comes up pretty damn suspect. It was the only offender inside Europe itself from 1945-1989. Annexation of Eastern Europe, invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia, rigged elections, intimidation, persecution of Christians and other religions.

https://www.cranbourne.hants.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Cold-War-Revision.pdf

Probably because you'll be sent to jail if you were to speak against your government.

'Think before you post”: The U.K. is now jailing people for social media comments

Western civilization appears to be on the cusp of a new Dark Age — for any government that arrests and locks up its own citizens for saying, writing, or thinking the “wrong” opinions or beliefs can no longer say it stands for freedom or human rights. The United Kingdom has ramped up its...

www.standingforfreedom.com

https://twitter.com/x/status/1858803173848182941

I understand your compulsions & fears. I understand that you're helpless under your authoritarian leadership. I don't blame you.

Half facts as always. If you incite a riot with racial and religious hatred and incite riots then you get prosecuted. The alternative would be to allow people to say, "Let's go burn all these 'insert racial slander' tonight, or 'let's go bomb these infidels' equally, which would turn out worse/like Indian riots.

So it's okay to invade & overthrow a foreign government without a UN mandate as long as you don't annex them?

If they nerve gas and torture their own people and have recently invaded another country and committed multiple war crimes, then yes IMO. The alternative is giving leaders free-reign to exterminate their own people, or ethnic subsets without any fear of retribution as long a they have one similarly-minded scumbag with a veto on their side.

Anyone can bomb a civilian target for psychological warfare and then claim they thought it was being used to house military personnel.

International Law on Air Warfare says military assets should be separated form civilian assets where possible and that civilian structures shouldn't be targeted unless used for a military purpose. So when you have huge secondary explosions coming from under apartment blocks and Hamas leaders working for UNWRA at refugee camps, it's the latter.

You read the links.

Haditha Massacre:

...six defendants had their cases dropped and a seventh was found not guilty. The exception was Staff Sergeant Frank Wuterich. On October 3, 2007, the Article 32 hearing investigating officer recommended that charges of murder be dropped and Wuterich be tried for negligent homicide in the deaths of two women and five children. Further charges of assault and manslaughter were ultimately dropped. Wuterich was convicted of one count of negligent dereliction of duty on January 24, 2012. Wuterich received a rank reduction and pay cut but avoided jail time.

24 civilians, including women & children, shot dead and nobody really served a full sentence. They didn't even get convicted for murder.

This is AFTER the Cold War btw (as if that matters).

A court judged them based on all the facts. In the other cases some received a 14 year sentence, so it's not like everyone gets off.

They already have the moral high ground. Most of their neighbours are already either overtly or covertly friends with Israel (with the exception of Syria & Lebanon). They're just forced to maintain a pro-Palestinian stand so they don't upset the wider Muslim world.

The people in those currently friendly countries are part of the wider muslim world too.

The real problem are countries like Iran, Qatar & Turkey which are operating on the fringes, using Hamas & Hezbollah as proxies to keep the conflict hot so that the countries they treat as potential hostiles/competitors (Israel, Saudi, UAE) don't grow too close.

It seems Qatar got a call from the Trump team - they chased the Hamas leadership out of their country as soon as he won. Now Turkey & Iran are the problem.

Iran is the main problem. If the international community starts holding them responsible for the actions of their H-group terrorists, then we'll see progress. It's ridiculous to issue a warrant for Netanyahu wityhout one for Iran.

Putin announced the SMO before he did it, too.

He spent a long time say ing he was not about to invade Ukraine, even weeks before the invasion. The you have the Budapest Memorandum which Russia signed.

The important part is, whether what you're doing is in line with international law (as you claim everything should be) or not. Your actions are not, and neither are the Russian's.

So leaving someone who breaks multiple international laws and commits many crimes against humanity unpunished and in charge of a country with a vote at the UN is more in line with international law than removing them? The Punisher is not in line with international law either but he gets the job done, whereas with Daredevil (analogous to your approach) the villains always come back and become more dangerous.

With relation to European dependence on US not being a dependence because they're buying stuff, not receiving them for free.

They also produce most of their own stuff too though, including high-end stuff like aircraft. The best India has to show is the Tejas.

So why do they keep buying from us?

https://www.business-standard.com/economy/news/russian-oil-finds-way-to-europe-india-now-biggest-exporter-of-fuel-to-eu-124111000177_1.html

Because it's on the market. The only way to stop that would be to sanction India too.

What the hell does this even mean? fish and chips AMERICAN DOG.
please explain.

Russia collaborated with the Nazis as a co-aggressor from 1939-1941. They agreed to divide Europe in two, USSR would invade east of that line and the Nazis west of it.

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Forget about your country crimes and poke sufferer and when sufferer start naming reasons, then make fun about that country sufferings again and after sufferers start hitting back, then say "OII, MAATE, MOI COUNTRY, MOI RUULESS".

But you guys support colonialism anyway (when Russia's doing it in the present), so you have no place complaining about something which happened between the 18th century and the early 20th century, back when it was actually normal? Besides, neither you or I were even alive then.

 

[Heroforever]

No , he kidnapped them. Stop trying to change facts.

Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-children-abducted-by-russia-left-with-psychological-scars-campaigners-2024-06-15/

I'm not the one lackinh common sense here.

So right and wrong doesn't matter, justice and injustice doesn't matter basically? One guy who appoints himself king can do as he pleases? Nah, fcuk that noise.

That Germany need to get to work building nuclear power stations.

That doesn't even relate to the comment you quoted. The illegality of genocide isn't isn't just a national law either.

Serbia also began it's genocide long before, and Saddam committed his countless crimes against humanity long before, including the invasion of a neighbour.

No because they have a large nuclear arsenal and why not just not commit genocide?

They're keeping the bulk of the airpower for their own defence because it's more costly. Even with limited resources the weakness of Russian air defence has been proven beyond doubt.

There's almost free of sin and morally black as soot, which is what Putin is. Annexing land is illegal if you do it off the back. As regards its legality if the other side keeps attacking you first and trying to wipe you out, that's not as clear under international law, because there is a clear and proven national security issue as opposed to a mere worry/batsh*t-crazy conspiracy theory, as is the case with Russia.

The border was agreed by the UN, so don't trying blaming everything on us. Britain originally didn't want to put Israel there because it foresaw all these problems.

Well we can draw the line after WWII but Russia still comes up pretty damn suspect. It was the only offender inside Europe itself from 1945-1989. Annexation of Eastern Europe, invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia, rigged elections, intimidation, persecution of Christians and other religions.

https://www.cranbourne.hants.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Cold-War-Revision.pdf

Half facts as always. If you incite a riot with racial and religious hatred and incite riots then you get prosecuted. The alternative would be to allow people to say, "Let's go burn all these 'insert racial slander' tonight, or 'let's go bomb these infidels' equally, which would turn out worse/like Indian riots.

If they nerve gas and torture their own people and have recently invaded another country and committed multiple war crimes, then yes IMO. The alternative is giving leaders free-reign to exterminate their own people, or ethnic subsets without any fear of retribution as long a they have one similarly-minded scumbag with a veto on their side.

International Law on Air Warfare says military assets should be separated form civilian assets where possible and that civilian structures shouldn't be targeted unless used for a military purpose. So when you have huge secondary explosions coming from under apartment blocks and Hamas leaders working for UNWRA at refugee camps, it's the latter.

A court judged them based on all the facts. In the other cases some received a 14 year sentence, so it's not like everyone gets off.

The people in those currently friendly countries are part of the wider muslim world too.

Iran is the main problem. If the international community starts holding them responsible for the actions of their H-group terrorists, then we'll see progress. It's ridiculous to issue a warrant for Netanyahu wityhout one for Iran.

He spent a long time say ing he was not about to invade Ukraine, even weeks before the invasion. The you have the Budapest Memorandum which Russia signed.

So leaving someone who breaks multiple international laws and commits many crimes against humanity unpunished and in charge of a country with a vote at the UN is more in line with international law than removing them? The Punisher is not in line with international law either but he gets the job done, whereas with Daredevil (analogous to your approach) the villains always come back and become more dangerous.


They also produce most of their own stuff too though, including high-end stuff like aircraft. The best India has to show is the Tejas.

Because it's on the market. The only way to stop that would be to sanction India too.

Russia collaborated with the Nazis as a co-aggressor from 1939-1941. They agreed to divide Europe in two, USSR would invade east of that line and the Nazis west of it.

Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But you guys support colonialism anyway (when Russia's doing it in the present), so you have no place complaining about something which happened between the 18th century and the early 20th century, back when it was actually normal? Besides, neither you or I were even alive then.

Russians said early in the war something that you should understand, eeh.
"Ukraine is Pakistan, and we will not allow it".
That's there, the answer.

Let India too do a thing.

We should arm Ireland to teeth and tell them it's right moment to take care of the englishman problem.

Ok! you too have taken their northern ireland, so you should not have problem.

As, Pakistan was created and is still being used for the sole purpose to box India in subcontinent.

 

[Parthu]

No , he kidnapped them. Stop trying to change facts.

Child abductions in the Russo-Ukrainian War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-children-abducted-by-russia-left-with-psychological-scars-campaigners-2024-06-15/

I'm not the one lackinh common sense here.

Kidnapped them for what? Ransom?

If you're going to say it was for demographics, it would have been much easier to force his own population to have babies instead of going into another country to kidnap their children.

Those stories are ridiculous. The simple fact that ICC issued a warrant on their basis makes them ridiculous as it is now proven that they are a kangaroo court.

That Germany need to get to work building nuclear power stations.

Which, like I said will take a decade or two. By that point, Germany's working-age population will reduce further and more manufacturing would have shifted to China.

The only way to prevent an industrially weakened Europe between now and 2040 is to get back to buying Russian gas. Look at the plus side - you can use the cheap energy to build more factories for making shells, tanks & missiles.

That doesn't even relate to the comment you quoted. The illegality of genocide isn't isn't just a national law either.

Serbia also began it's genocide long before, and Saddam committed his countless crimes against humanity long before, including the invasion of a neighbour.

Then it must've been easy to get a UN mandate to stop it. Why was it ignored?

No because they have a large nuclear arsenal and why not just not commit genocide?

Ukraine doesn't even have nukes and they don't fear invading Russia. Why would NATO? You've already said NATO would use the threat of its nukes to discourage Russia from using theirs.

The Russian way of fighting is comparatively primitive. They rely heavily on artillery, which is bound to create civilian casualties when used in urban areas like Grozny. They don't have the assets or training (or numbers) to afford fighting Chechens any other way, so it would be easy for their policing operation to be construed as genocide by Western governments if they feel like it.

But on the other hand, letting the Chechens go would more than likely create a bastion for IS or IS-analogues on Russia's side of the Caucasus from where they can spread to other Russian territories like Dagestan or Ingush. That can't be allowed.

They'd be forced to dive head-first & hands tied into a war imposed on them by NATO.

They're keeping the bulk of the airpower for their own defence because it's more costly. Even with limited resources the weakness of Russian air defence has been proven beyond doubt.

Aircraft are too costly to lose & cannot be replaced quickly. Russia's too big with too many targets.

There's almost free of sin and morally black as soot, which is what Putin is. Annexing land is illegal if you do it off the back. As regards its legality if the other side keeps attacking you first and trying to wipe you out, that's not as clear under international law, because there is a clear and proven national security issue as opposed to a mere worry/batsh*t-crazy conspiracy theory, as is the case with Russia.

If they didn't annex that land, legally they'd have had to keep fighting until they took Kiev & replaced the Sovereignty otherwise they'd have no right to hold it and all those Russians would have died for nothing.

Once the war did start and a significant part of the country is already lost, you need to start looking for ways to end it ASAP to prevent further losses - especially when it looks like US material support might soon end.

That's why it's important to pursue the peace process immediately instead of escalating it further like Biden is stupidly doing (let's face it, he's not really the one taking any decisions...POTUS has been incapacitated for at least a couple years at this point).

The border was agreed by the UN, so don't trying blaming everything on us. Britain originally didn't want to put Israel there because it foresaw all these problems.

Invade, bomb & destroy countries without sparing a thought to the UN no problem...but when it comes to drawing a line on a piece of paper a few dozen kilometers to the East? Ooooh, now you respect the UN.

The reason they didn't feel like opposing the UN when it came to this is because folks in Britain must've thought "What's the worst that can happen? It's just the Jews that have to suffer anyway, not us."

Like I said before, Europeans have been throwing the Jews under the bus for millennia. And that still hasn't stopped even today - you want the US to cease support to Israel & divert everything to Europe.

Well we can draw the line after WWII but Russia still comes up pretty damn suspect. It was the only offender inside Europe itself from 1945-1989. Annexation of Eastern Europe, invasions of Hungary and Czechoslovakia, rigged elections, intimidation, persecution of Christians and other religions.

https://www.cranbourne.hants.sch.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Cold-War-Revision.pdf

A new Russia was born, free of the weight of Communism. There was a chance to build a good, trusting relationship that would've ensured peace in Europe but you dashed those hopes by not respecting Russia's legitimate security concerns. You expanded NATO eastwards & also demonstrated an intent to carry out aggressive, unprovoked interventions that violated international law.

So Russia realized that it's (or anyone's) security concerns will never be respected by NATO so decided to take matters into its own hands. Today, Ukrainians are finding out the results of that.

Half facts as always. If you incite a riot with racial and religious hatred and incite riots then you get prosecuted. The alternative would be to allow people to say, "Let's go burn all these 'insert racial slander' tonight, or 'let's go bomb these infidels' equally, which would turn out worse/like Indian riots.

There's lots that can be done before imprisoning somebody for just posting something with no actionable intent toward committing a crime. A court reprimand, a monetary fine, a sentence of community service. The aim of the Judiciary must be rehabilitation of errant citizens, not imprisoning them. That should be the last option.

But in authoritarian or wannabe-authoritarian states, imprisonment becomes the first option - even if they so much as criticize Government policy toward illegal immigrants, which is what the guy in the video did, for which he received a nearly 2-year jail term. Does that sound fair?

If they nerve gas and torture their own people and have recently invaded another country and committed multiple war crimes, then yes IMO. The alternative is giving leaders free-reign to exterminate their own people, or ethnic subsets without any fear of retribution as long a they have one similarly-minded scumbag with a veto on their side.

You're viewing each case in isolation because that's what your media tells you to do. But a foreign government would view all these cases together to see what patterns emerge. And the pattern that emerges is that it's not genocide you care about - rather, it's who is doing the genocide.

And that carries security implications that anyone would be foolish to ignore. If you allow/encourage unelected pro-American dictators to carry out genocide but oppose/invade when the dictator is pro-Russian, what does that say about your intentions toward Russia?

International Law on Air Warfare says military assets should be separated form civilian assets where possible and that civilian structures shouldn't be targeted unless used for a military purpose. So when you have huge secondary explosions coming from under apartment blocks and Hamas leaders working for UNWRA at refugee camps, it's the latter.

But were there any secondary explosions here:

Amiriyah shelter bombing - Wikipedia

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A known civilian shelter bombed deliberately cuz they 'thought' it was being used for military purposes.

A court judged them based on all the facts.

Kill 24 civilians while working for your Government and get off with all charges dropped. Post something against your Government's policies on social media, get a 2-year imprisonment.

Iran is the main problem. If the international community starts holding them responsible for the actions of their H-group terrorists, then we'll see progress.

For that to happen, first you need to remove Islamist-loving Left-wing politicians from office. The US has taken that step, hopefully Trump will ensure Iran gets what's coming to them - and does it smartly, in a way that ensures the US military's focus doesn't get distracted from the main threat, China.

Russia is mostly a has-been and doesn't deserve the primary attention of US policy. Europe is more than capable of handling the Russian threat by themselves if they wanted to.

It's ridiculous to issue a warrant for Netanyahu wityhout one for Iran.

It's ridiculous to issue an arrest warrant against a democratically-elected Head of State/Head of Government period. The concept of doing that itself is ridiculous.

The ICC needs to be abolished, or at the very least their powers need to be severely curtailed. They're a deeply corrupt institution with zero credibility and are causing more damage than good.

So leaving someone who breaks multiple international laws and commits many crimes against humanity unpunished and in charge of a country with a vote at the UN is more in line with international law than removing them? The Punisher is not in line with international law either but he gets the job done, whereas with Daredevil (analogous to your approach) the villains always come back and become more dangerous.

The point is, neither of them claim to be Officers of the Law. They're vigilantes and they don't lie to themselves as to what they are.

If you want to be a vigilante, then you need to stop dressing up like a Policeman & flashing a fake badge which is akin to what you're doing.

They also produce most of their own stuff too though, including high-end stuff like aircraft. The best India has to show is the Tejas.

We didn't have the money to pursue serious R&D till quite recently.

And all the money that was available was diverted to develop & procure the strategic stuff (nukes, missiles to deliver them & N-subs) which most American allies didn't have to worry about as they were under the US umbrella.

Now we use that stuff to form the basis of our strategic autonomy, which allows us to get quite favourable deals from both sides (more advanced N-sub techs from Russia, and jet engine tech from US) which otherwise would only be shared amongst the closest of allies.

Don't worry about our dependences, they're carefully hedged & taken care of.

Because it's on the market. The only way to stop that would be to sanction India too.

Russian oil was on the market, too. How do you think we bought it?

If buying it with your money was the problem cuz of sanctions, all they needed to do was a currency swap deal with India or UAE (Euros for Rupees/Dirhams) and used that money to buy the oil.

The reason they didn't was cuz they had to sell this story to their public that they were doing everything they can to cut down on Russian imports. It would be hard to establish for mainstream laymen as to the true origin of the crude inputs of refined oil that says on the manifest that it came from India.

It's a very duplicitous arrangement. Deceitful towards the EU's own population really.

 

[BMD]

Kidnapped them for what? Ransom?

If you're going to say it was for demographics, it would have been much easier to force his own population to have babies instead of going into another country to kidnap their children.

Those stories are ridiculous. The simple fact that ICC issued a warrant on their basis makes them ridiculous as it is now proven that they are a kangaroo court.

He's been trying to encourage his own people to have kids. The fact is he illegally kidnapped them against their will and no amount of Indian lies and slight of morals will change that.

Which, like I said will take a decade or two. By that point, Germany's working-age population will reduce further and more manufacturing would have shifted to China.

The only way to prevent an industrially weakened Europe between now and 2040 is to get back to buying Russian gas. Look at the plus side - you can use the cheap energy to build more factories for making shells, tanks & missiles.

France makes nuclear power stations too. There are other sources of gas, as we've found over the last 3 years.

Then it must've been easy to get a UN mandate to stop it. Why was it ignored?

Because unscrupulous dictators (who are often the offenders) at the UN have vetos.

Ukraine doesn't even have nukes and they don't fear invading Russia. Why would NATO? You've already said NATO would use the threat of its nukes to discourage Russia from using theirs.

Because Ukraine has spent 3 years being annexed by Russia.

The Russian way of fighting is comparatively primitive. They rely heavily on artillery, which is bound to create civilian casualties when used in urban areas like Grozny. They don't have the assets or training (or numbers) to afford fighting Chechens any other way, so it would be easy for their policing operation to be construed as genocide by Western governments if they feel like it.

But on the other hand, letting the Chechens go would more than likely create a bastion for IS or IS-analogues on Russia's side of the Caucasus from where they can spread to other Russian territories like Dagestan or Ingush. That can't be allowed.

They'd be forced to dive head-first & hands tied into a war imposed on them by NATO.

So why didn't they do just that in the '90s or early '00s? Why haven't NATO attacked Russia in Ukraine given their war crimes and ICC arrest warrant providing the perfect excuse. And the fact that the Russian border away from the front is so poorly defended it's a joke, especially given their mooted 'security concerns'.

Aircraft are too costly to lose & cannot be replaced quickly. Russia's too big with too many targets.

NATO have tens of thousands of cruise missiles and ARMs.

If they didn't annex that land, legally they'd have had to keep fighting until they took Kiev & replaced the Sovereignty otherwise they'd have no right to hold it and all those Russians would have died for nothing.

Legally they should have stayed on their own side of the border.

Once the war did start and a significant part of the country is already lost, you need to start looking for ways to end it ASAP to prevent further losses - especially when it looks like US material support might soon end.

Looks like Russia will soon suffer run away inflation soon too.

That's why it's important to pursue the peace process immediately instead of escalating it further like Biden is stupidly doing (let's face it, he's not really the one taking any decisions...POTUS has been incapacitated for at least a couple years at this point).

Nah, I think it should be escalated until the Russian ruble breaks.

Invade, bomb & destroy countries without sparing a thought to the UN no problem...but when it comes to drawing a line on a piece of paper a few dozen kilometers to the East? Ooooh, now you respect the UN.

I think you'll find the regimes in those countries were ignoring the UN and international law too.

The reason they didn't feel like opposing the UN when it came to this is because folks in Britain must've thought "What's the worst that can happen? It's just the Jews that have to suffer anyway, not us."

Like I said before, Europeans have been throwing the Jews under the bus for millennia. And that still hasn't stopped even today - you want the US to cease support to Israel & divert everything to Europe.

The Jews wanted to have Israel where it is and so did the US, so that is why. IT was the Muslims who forced them out of the Middle East in the first place.

A new Russia was born, free of the weight of Communism. There was a chance to build a good, trusting relationship that would've ensured peace in Europe but you dashed those hopes by not respecting Russia's legitimate security concerns. You expanded NATO eastwards & also demonstrated an intent to carry out aggressive, unprovoked interventions that violated international law.

First thing Russia free of Communism did was the pseudo annexations of Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. They expanded first and by force too.

South Ossetia war (1991–1992) - Wikipedia

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War in Abkhazia (1992–1993) - Wikipedia

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Transnistria War - Wikipedia

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Tajikistani Civil War - Wikipedia

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This made it clear that independent states couldn't guarantee their independence and sovereignty without joining NATO and so they applied for NATO memberships in large numbers.

So Russia realized that it's (or anyone's) security concerns will never be respected by NATO so decided to take matters into its own hands. Today, Ukrainians are finding out the results of that.

What was its excuse in the early '90s? And why take the part of Ukriane furthest from Moscow with the most valuable resources. You know you're talking crap and you know what Russia really is, you just won't admit it.

There's lots that can be done before imprisoning somebody for just posting something with no actionable intent toward committing a crime. A court reprimand, a monetary fine, a sentence of community service. The aim of the Judiciary must be rehabilitation of errant citizens, not imprisoning them. That should be the last option.

But in authoritarian or wannabe-authoritarian states, imprisonment becomes the first option - even if they so much as criticize Government policy toward illegal immigrants, which is what the guy in the video did, for which he received a nearly 2-year jail term. Does that sound fair?

The aggravating factor is when it leads to a riot and costs the taxpayer a lot of money. A one off remark that doesn't result in public unrest will likely go unnoticed entirely or lead to a caution or small fine.

You're viewing each case in isolation because that's what your media tells you to do. But a foreign government would view all these cases together to see what patterns emerge. And the pattern that emerges is that it's not genocide you care about - rather, it's who is doing the genocide.

And that carries security implications that anyone would be foolish to ignore. If you allow/encourage unelected pro-American dictators to carry out genocide but oppose/invade when the dictator is pro-Russian, what does that say about your intentions toward Russia?

A court always views separate cases separately. Which pro-American dictators are currently carrying out genocides?

But were there any secondary explosions here:

Amiriyah shelter bombing - Wikipedia

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A known civilian shelter bombed deliberately cuz they 'thought' it was being used for military purposes.

Yeah, they made a mistake.

The U.S. Department of Defense stated that they "knew the [Amiriyah] facility had been used as a civil-defense shelter during the Iran–Iraq War",<a href="Amiriyah shelter bombing - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> while the U.S. military stated they believed the shelter was no longer a civil defense shelter and that they thought it had been converted to a command center or a military personnel bunker.

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The Amiriyah shelter was used in the Iran–Iraq War and the Gulf War by hundreds of civilians. According to the U.S. military, the shelter at Amiriyah had been targeted because it fit the profile of a military command center; electronic signals from the locality had been reported as coming from the site, and spy satellites had observed people and vehicles moving in, and out of the shelter.<a href="Amiriyah shelter bombing - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a>

When you take children from a country without consent and brag about it, that's not a on-off mistake. Russia has also bombed several hospitals and several supermarkets and there has been mass-executions of civilians (bullet holes in back of head), and rape of civilians including minors. There is a widespread pattern of illegal behaviour by Russian forces with no trials or investigations brought by Russia against the perpetrators.

Ukraine: Rape and torture by Russian forces continuing, rights experts report

Russian forces in Ukraine faced new allegations of war crimes on Monday as UN-appointed independent rights experts published the findings of their latest report into Russia’s full-scale invasion of its neighbour.

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War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine - Wikipedia

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Kill 24 civilians while working for your Government and get off with all charges dropped. Post something against your Government's policies on social media, get a 2-year imprisonment.

For that to happen, first you need to remove Islamist-loving Left-wing politicians from office. The US has taken that step, hopefully Trump will ensure Iran gets what's coming to them - and does it smartly, in a way that ensures the US military's focus doesn't get distracted from the main threat, China.

That was one case where charges were dropped, one person was charged and found not guilty of the serious offences. Urban combat and house raids often don't provide enough time to make proper decisions.

Russia is mostly a has-been and doesn't deserve the primary attention of US policy. Europe is more than capable of handling the Russian threat by themselves if they wanted to.

Facts say otherwise. Russia has annexed more land in the last 1, 2 or 3 decades than any other country on the planet.

It's ridiculous to issue an arrest warrant against a democratically-elected Head of State/Head of Government period. The concept of doing that itself is ridiculous.

Putin wasn't democratically elected.

The ICC needs to be abolished, or at the very least their powers need to be severely curtailed. They're a deeply corrupt institution with zero credibility and are causing more damage than good.

Indian access to the internet needs to be abolished.

The point is, neither of them claim to be Officers of the Law. They're vigilantes and they don't lie to themselves as to what they are.

If you want to be a vigilante, then you need to stop dressing up like a Policeman & flashing a fake badge which is akin to what you're doing.

We didn't dress up as policemen.

We didn't have the money to pursue serious R&D till quite recently.

And all the money that was available was diverted to develop & procure the strategic stuff (nukes, missiles to deliver them & N-subs) which most American allies didn't have to worry about as they were under the US umbrella.

Now we use that stuff to form the basis of our strategic autonomy, which allows us to get quite favourable deals from both sides (more advanced N-sub techs from Russia, and jet engine tech from US) which otherwise would only be shared amongst the closest of allies.

Don't worry about our dependences, they're carefully hedged & taken care of.

Your desperate and deliberate struggle to evade the truth when it comes to Russia says otherwise.

Russian oil was on the market, too. How do you think we bought it?

If buying it with your money was the problem cuz of sanctions, all they needed to do was a currency swap deal with India or UAE (Euros for Rupees/Dirhams) and used that money to buy the oil.

The reason they didn't was cuz they had to sell this story to their public that they were doing everything they can to cut down on Russian imports. It would be hard to establish for mainstream laymen as to the true origin of the crude inputs of refined oil that says on the manifest that it came from India.

It's a very duplicitous arrangement. Deceitful towards the EU's own population really.

It's been widely reported by the news, so clearly not.

Russians said early in the war something that you should understand, eeh.
"Ukraine is Pakistan, and we will not allow it".
That's there, the answer.

Ukraine has never sponsored terror attacks inside Russia, or any sabotage attacks until after 2022 for that matter. Ukraine had never invaded or annexed Russian territory or any other adjacent territory prior to 2024. Ukraine never conducted a genocide like Operation Searchlight. Ukraine can't be compared to Pakistan in any way unless you're on LSD.

Let India too do a thing.

We should arm Ireland to teeth and tell them it's right moment to take care of the englishman problem.

Ok! you too have taken their northern ireland, so you should not have problem.

As, Pakistan was created and is still being used for the sole purpose to box India in subcontinent.

It was actually the French (Normans) who first invaded Ireland after they invaded Britain. That's how far back this thing goes, almost to same period that Varangian Vikings from the east coast of Sweden sailed across the Baltic Sea and took control of Novgorod and then sailed down the Dnieper to take Kyiv and form the Kievan 'Rus. The first leader of which, was Prince Oleg, a Varangian. Then the Mogolians came, then Russia invaded everything from Novgorod to Alaska.

As for India/Pakistan, it was never not partitioned when the British arrived. It was less partitioned after we left. Don't blame us for all your problems.

 

[South block]

UK need to be nuked to oblivion.... It has become a den of evil....... Thames stinks like it's coming of Anti-Christ..... The evil rises in West while the second coming of Jesus { ( Putin ) PBUH } has already happened in East...... Forces of light has already struck the first blow on Darkness (Ukraine ) , yet the evil remain strong & every growing ....... But even in these trouble times hope remains.....The covenant of men of God remains strong .......as they walk through the valley of death, these brave men fear no evil & will continue to march forward until the darkness is erased once and for all from all of Europe.... Deus Vult ✝

 

[Parthu]

He's been trying to encourage his own people to have kids.

What's that? He'd rather invade a foreign country & get a warrant issued on himself than force something on his people that they don't want?

Careful there, you're not making him sound like a dictator, or at least you're making him sound like a soft-hearted dictator that respects the rights of women. Your Govt won't like this.

The fact is he illegally kidnapped them against their will and no amount of Indian lies and slight of morals will change that.

Kids don't know what they want because they're too dumb. If you ask one of those kids where they want to go he'll say "Home". But he doesn't have the mental bandwidth yet to realize that his home was bombed to bits and there's no one to go back to. Going back there, he's more likely to end up dead or abused.

That's why adults must take decisions on behalf of kids. It was Russia that bombed their homes to bits, so it's Russia that should be responsible for footing the bill for raising them. They're doing that.

If it was the West, they'd probably have the let the kids run around a war zone 'looking' for their home which doesn't exist anymore. The concept of kids being stupid & not capable of thinking their decisions through is lost in Western society these days. They're even letting pre-pubescent children undergo sex-change surgeries & hormone therapy cuz they put on a dress once and said "I'm a girl now! Wheee!"

France makes nuclear power stations too.

They take the same amount of time to build new ones as anyone else does.

There are other sources of gas, as we've found over the last 3 years.

The piped gas you found (like from Azerbaijan) is not as scalable. You still have to depend on LNG shipments from US & likes of Qatar. But the price would remain as elevated as it is now because liquifying the gas, shipping it across an ocean & then re-gasifying it is not as cheap as pumping gas directly through a permanent pipeline. Who would've thought.

Nobody's saying you won't get energy at all and your lights will go out. I'm just saying, businesses operate on margins. When you increase the cost of inputs significantly, their margins get obliterated. They can tide over a few quarters (or even a few years) of elevated costs, but not forever.

That's what we're seeing now with all the plant closures & offshoring of the last bits of mass manufacturing (mostly German) out of Europe. A lot of this industry grew on the basis of availability of cheap energy. With that gone, it would effectively mean that all the growth that happened over the last 20 years would be erased as the industry readjusts to what is sustainable given the new normal.

Only way to stop that is to go back to buying Russian gas at least in the interim.

Because unscrupulous dictators (who are often the offenders) at the UN have vetos.

Or maybe because there's likely other factors to be considered as well. A centralized power structure is the most natural one for human society (Monarchs have ruled for thousands of years). Democracy (at least in the way it's practiced today) is very recent. But more importantly, it requires there to be certain pre-existing State structures to survive.

If you remove a dictator, no matter how bad, without any of those structures in place, you're more likely to destabilize that society and give power to extremists than promote democracy or at least peace. There are societies that simply don't have the tools to sustain a democratic way of government.

It requires a certain pragmatism to realize that.

Because Ukraine has spent 3 years being annexed by Russia.

Oh, so the Russians didn't nuke them in Kursk because they have a conscience?

So why didn't they do just that in the '90s or early '00s? Why haven't NATO attacked Russia in Ukraine given their war crimes and ICC arrest warrant providing the perfect excuse. And the fact that the Russian border away from the front is so poorly defended it's a joke, especially given their mooted 'security concerns'.

NATO have tens of thousands of cruise missiles and ARMs.

Cuz they never had that decisive advantage that they wanted. They might have that in the next few decades though.

Besides, right now you just have the Suwalki gap and the Bessarabian gap to resupply forces fighting on the Russian border considering you don't control Belarus & Ukraine yet. That's why it was absolutely imperative for Russia to ensure these two countries are never inducted into NATO. If they couldn't stop that, the Russian heartland would no longer be defensible.

And you had started making moves to absorb Ukraine into the alliance. That was a red line, the Russians had to act.

Legally they should have stayed on their own side of the border.

Well, they're in Ukraine now. The population in the annexed regions were either mostly ethnic Russians or mostly spoke the Russian language so annexation was the logical step considering they had no intention of taking Kiev anymore.

Looks like Russia will soon suffer run away inflation soon too.

Depends on how the terms of the ceasefire/peace deal look.

Nah, I think it should be escalated until the Russian ruble breaks.

Of course you think that. It's just Ukrainians being sent into the meat grinder. So who cares right? As long as they manage to kill 1 or 2 Russians before they die, it's money well spent as far as NATO is concerned.

You'll fight Russia till the last Ukrainian.

Hopefully, Trump puts a stop to this madness.

I think you'll find the regimes in those countries were ignoring the UN and international law too.

Lots of countries do. There are ways of dealing with that which don't involve bombing them.

First thing Russia free of Communism did was the pseudo annexations of Transnistria, South Ossetia and Abkhazia. They expanded first and by force too.

South Ossetia war (1991–1992) - Wikipedia

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War in Abkhazia (1992–1993) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Transnistria War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Tajikistani Civil War - Wikipedia

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This made it clear that independent states couldn't guarantee their independence and sovereignty without joining NATO and so they applied for NATO memberships in large numbers.

That's the difference between you & me. I don't claim that Russia is without fault.

But you finally managed to get them to the table with the Budapest Memo and rapprochement between NATO & Russia. And then you decided to squander it all by bombing Yugoslavia.

I never said you were solely at fault. I've always said you both deserve each other because you're both at fault.

And why take the part of Ukriane furthest from Moscow with the most valuable resources. You know you're talking crap and you know what Russia really is, you just won't admit it.

Because they don't just want to take territory, they have more than enough territory themselves - What they want is territory that's defensible. That's what they lack.

The aggravating factor is when it leads to a riot and costs the taxpayer a lot of money. A one off remark that doesn't result in public unrest will likely go unnoticed entirely or lead to a caution or small fine.

There is no aggravating factor in what the man in the video did.

A court always views separate cases separately.

But countries don't. Cuz they have to look at the future too unlike a court which only looks at what already happened.

Which pro-American dictators are currently carrying out genocides?

The Saudis.

Saudi-led intervention in the Yemeni civil war - Wikipedia

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Yeah, they made a mistake.

Or, they did it deliberately for psychological warfare - coaxing the civilians to flee entirely instead of living in shelters so they don't come back and interfere with ground operations down the line.

Anything is easy to claim as a mistake after the fact.

Russia has also bombed several hospitals and several supermarkets and there has been mass-executions of civilians (bullet holes in back of head), and rape of civilians including minors. There is a widespread pattern of illegal behaviour by Russian forces with no trials or investigations brought by Russia against the perpetrators.

And that is why it was a good idea to get those children out of the warzone. They have to protect them not only from collateral damage but also abuse - from both sides.

Infantry aren't called grunts for no reason. They're not a very disciplined or educated bunch, doesn't matter what country they're from:

Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia

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That was one case where charges were dropped, one person was charged and found not guilty of the serious offences. Urban combat and house raids often don't provide enough time to make proper decisions.

So we shouldn't blame the Russians for everything they did in Ukraine's urban centres?

Putin wasn't democratically elected.

Netanyahu was.

Doesn't change the fact that the ICC is a sham court. Whatever credibility they had when issuing a warrant against Putin was lost when they issued one against Netanyahu.

Indian access to the internet needs to be abolished.

Of course you want to stifle free speech when it doesn't suit your agenda. No surprise there. That's exactly what your Govt is doing as well.

Your desperate and deliberate struggle to evade the truth when it comes to Russia says otherwise.

You sound like a missionary. It's starting to look like your hatred of Russia is almost religious.

The point is, we never followed Russia mindlessly into a war that they initiated like much of NATO did in Iraq with the US. It's cuz we're not dependent on them and they don't have leverage over us.

It's probably not a coincidence that the strongest opposition to the Iraq invasion from within NATO came from France - who had their own, independent nuclear command & control structure that didn't rely on US-controlled tech - and could therefore afford to take a more principled stand.

It's been widely reported by the news, so clearly not.

Not nearly as much in the West as in India. For example, you won't find a single Western mainstream publication reporting that India is now the biggest petroleum supplier to the EU (not counting sites that specifically collate data). Because everyone knows India doesn't produce much oil itself so that would raise too many questions they'd rather not answer.

Certain truths of the energy supply chain to EU are heavily suppressed.

 

[Amal]

Indian access to the internet needs to be abolished

Meanwhile the moderators of this forum:

 

[BMD]

What's that? He'd rather invade a foreign country & get a warrant issued on himself than force something on his people that they don't want?

Careful there, you're not making him sound like a dictator, or at least you're making him sound like a soft-hearted dictator that respects the rights of women. Your Govt won't like this.

What kind of an argument even is that? He invaded Ukraine to steal resources from the annexed areas.

Kids don't know what they want because they're too dumb.

No, that's you.

If you ask one of those kids where they want to go he'll say "Home". But he doesn't have the mental bandwidth yet to realize that his home was bombed to bits and there's no one to go back to. Going back there, he's more likely to end up dead or abused.

There's more child sexs rings in Russia than any other country in the Europe.

That's why adults must take decisions on behalf of kids. It was Russia that bombed their homes to bits, so it's Russia that should be responsible for footing the bill for raising them. They're doing that.

In many cases the children were taken away from parents. In other cases Russian troops shot the parents in the back of the head.

If it was the West, they'd probably have the let the kids run around a war zone 'looking' for their home which doesn't exist anymore. The concept of kids being stupid & not capable of thinking their decisions through is lost in Western society these days. They're even letting pre-pubescent children undergo sex-change surgeries & hormone therapy cuz they put on a dress once and said "I'm a girl now! Wheee!"

You need consent to adopt children. When you take 20,000 in a short space of time that's systematic abduction.

They take the same amount of time to build new ones as anyone else does.

So they need to get too it rather than relying an a polluting fuel from a mentally unstable adversary.

The piped gas you found (like from Azerbaijan) is not as scalable. You still have to depend on LNG shipments from US & likes of Qatar. But the price would remain as elevated as it is now because liquifying the gas, shipping it across an ocean & then re-gasifying it is not as cheap as pumping gas directly through a permanent pipeline. Who would've thought.

If they built Nordstream, they can build a pipeline from TME too.

Nobody's saying you won't get energy at all and your lights will go out. I'm just saying, businesses operate on margins. When you increase the cost of inputs significantly, their margins get obliterated. They can tide over a few quarters (or even a few years) of elevated costs, but not forever.

The price filters through to the market only having a minor effect overall.

That's what we're seeing now with all the plant closures & offshoring of the last bits of mass manufacturing (mostly German) out of Europe. A lot of this industry grew on the basis of availability of cheap energy. With that gone, it would effectively mean that all the growth that happened over the last 20 years would be erased as the industry readjusts to what is sustainable given the new normal.

Only way to stop that is to go back to buying Russian gas at least in the interim.

That isn't what's happening though, German GDP is still growing, just slightly slower, which is tolerable, whilst they go build nuclear plants.

Germany GDP

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Or maybe because there's likely other factors to be considered as well. A centralized power structure is the most natural one for human society (Monarchs have ruled for thousands of years). Democracy (at least in the way it's practiced today) is very recent. But more importantly, it requires there to be certain pre-existing State structures to survive.

If you remove a dictator, no matter how bad, without any of those structures in place, you're more likely to destabilize that society and give power to extremists than promote democracy or at least peace. There are societies that simply don't have the tools to sustain a democratic way of government.

It requires a certain pragmatism to realize that.

There are dictatorships, monarchies and mass-murdering ones. The latter is a different category that shouldn't be tolerated.

Oh, so the Russians didn't nuke them in Kursk because they have a conscience?

Because they started the war 2.5 years prior!

Cuz they never had that decisive advantage that they wanted. They might have that in the next few decades though.

Besides, right now you just have the Suwalki gap and the Bessarabian gap to resupply forces fighting on the Russian border considering you don't control Belarus & Ukraine yet. That's why it was absolutely imperative for Russia to ensure these two countries are never inducted into NATO. If they couldn't stop that, the Russian heartland would no longer be defensible.

And you had started making moves to absorb Ukraine into the alliance. That was a red line, the Russians had to act.

You talk garbage. There avoiding the risk of nuclear war, even Putin knows he can't take NATO conventionally.

Next few decades? NATO was reducing defence spending.

The war started because Ukraine wanted to join the EU, nothing to do with NATO. The protests in 2013 were about EU membership, not NATO membership.

Well, they're in Ukraine now. The population in the annexed regions were either mostly ethnic Russians or mostly spoke the Russian language so annexation was the logical step considering they had no intention of taking Kiev anymore.

It was a colonial, resource-stealing step you mean.

Depends on how the terms of the ceasefire/peace deal look.

I would vote against any government that removes sanctions.

Of course you think that. It's just Ukrainians being sent into the meat grinder. So who cares right? As long as they manage to kill 1 or 2 Russians before they die, it's money well spent as far as NATO is concerned.

You'll fight Russia till the last Ukrainian.

Hopefully, Trump puts a stop to this madness.

It's Russians too. Putin is getting them killed and he illegally started it. Trump is mad, the clue's iun every speech he makes.

Lots of countries do. There are ways of dealing with that which don't involve bombing them.

No there aren't. How do you remove Saddam Hussein without war?

That's the difference between you & me. I don't claim that Russia is without fault.

But you finally managed to get them to the table with the Budapest Memo and rapprochement between NATO & Russia. And then you decided to squander it all by bombing Yugoslavia.

I never said you were solely at fault. I've always said you both deserve each other because you're both at fault.

Nope, you're using the 'self-interests' argument to try and create analogues between non-annexation/theft conflicts against clear and proven war criminals and conflict and annexation/theft not against war criminals. They'll never be the same. Budapest Memorandum had nothing to do with Russia's early-90s annexations. From Russia's point of view they were just disarming Ukraine so that they could invade them if the government ever sought true independence.

Because they don't just want to take territory, they have more than enough territory themselves - What they want is territory that's defensible. That's what they lack.

So they took the territory furthest from their capital with the most valuable resources, leaving the rest of their border largely undefended.

There is no aggravating factor in what the man in the video did.

Jury of his peers thought otherwise.

But countries don't. Cuz they have to look at the future too unlike a court which only looks at what already happened.

So you're justifying the invasion of countries based on maybes with zero evidence backing up those maybes.

The Saudis.

Saudi-led intervention in the Yemeni civil war - Wikipedia

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Given how Iranian backed groups fight, destruction of civilian infrastructure is inevitable, the world was wrong to criticise the Saudis.

Or, they did it deliberately for psychological warfare - coaxing the civilians to flee entirely instead of living in shelters so they don't come back and interfere with ground operations down the line.

Anything is easy to claim as a mistake after the fact.

No, it was very clearly an accident and a one-off. Nothing about what Russia has done is a one-off and shooting civilians in the back of the head is certainly not an accident, neither is rape.

And that is why it was a good idea to get those children out of the warzone. They have to protect them not only from collateral damage but also abuse - from both sides.

So Russia need to kidnap children because it illegally invaded a country and bombed hospitals. JFC, Indian logic.

Infantry aren't called grunts for no reason. They're not a very disciplined or educated bunch, doesn't matter what country they're from:

Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia

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Here is the difference, tried, prosecuted and sentenced:

Green was discharged from the U.S. Army for mental instability before the crimes were known by his command, whereas Cortez, Barker, and Spielman were tried by a military court martial, convicted, and sentenced to decades in prison.<a href="Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a> Green was tried and convicted in a United States civilian court and sentenced to life in prison.<a href="Mahmudiyah rape and killings - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>3<span>]</span></a> He died in 2014 from suicide.

Russia hasn't tried any of its personnel.

So we shouldn't blame the Russians for everything they did in Ukraine's urban centres?

Bullets to back of heads aren't due to split-second decision making, neither is rape.

Netanyahu was.

I know. Netanyaho is basically facing an arrest warrant because Hamas and Hezbollah fight in a way that continuously breaks international law and:

a) People have lost the will to try and prosecute Hamas/Hezbollah;
b) South Africa is heavily anti-semitic and has a bee in its butt about not being allowed to invite Putin for its crappy meeting;
c) Lots of aid agencies are shipping arms to Hamas illegally;
d) Hamas steals food from civilians.

Doesn't change the fact that the ICC is a sham court. Whatever credibility they had when issuing a warrant against Putin was lost when they issued one against Netanyahu.

No. The warrant against Putin still has credibility, the only shocking thing is that he's only facing a warrant for one crime.

Of course you want to stifle free speech when it doesn't suit your agenda. No surprise there. That's exactly what your Govt is doing as well.

No, I'd simply like to save time by not having to address multiple arguments that are based on false equivalents and heavily contorted analogues repititively. I can and have addressed them all repeatedly with ease, it's just a waste of my f*cking time and internet bandwidth.

You sound like a missionary. It's starting to look like your hatred of Russia is almost religious.

Purely based on actions, it's your belief in them that borders on religious.

The point is, we never followed Russia mindlessly into a war that they initiated like much of NATO did in Iraq with the US. It's cuz we're not dependent on them and they don't have leverage over us.

It's probably not a coincidence that the strongest opposition to the Iraq invasion from within NATO came from France - who had their own, independent nuclear command & control structure that didn't rely on US-controlled tech - and could therefore afford to take a more principled stand.

People followed the US into that war because most recognised that Saddam should have been removed in 1991.

Not nearly as much in the West as in India. For example, you won't find a single Western mainstream publication reporting that India is now the biggest petroleum supplier to the EU (not counting sites that specifically collate data). Because everyone knows India doesn't produce much oil itself so that would raise too many questions they'd rather not answer.

Certain truths of the energy supply chain to EU are heavily suppressed.

The extra from India does not equal the reduction from Russia:



The oil India buys is also discounted below the price cap.

 

[Parthu]

What kind of an argument even is that? He invaded Ukraine to steal resources from the annexed areas.

He has more than enough resources himself. The invasion was always about Russia's security calculations. Any resources obtained are a side-goal and not the main motive.

There's more child sexs rings in Russia than any other country in the Europe.

Nothing worse than a war zone where no law is enforced.

You need consent to adopt children. When you take 20,000 in a short space of time that's systematic abduction.

Did you know that in many countries, Officers of the Law will come & take children away if the parents are dead or otherwise incapacitated (druggies, imprisoned etc.)?

It's called Child Protective Services. What Russia did was a wartime equivalent of what CPS does.

Child protective services - Wikipedia

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So they need to get too it rather than relying an a polluting fuel from a mentally unstable adversary.

So essentially you want Europe to have elevated energy prices for a good ~15 years. Got it.

Goodbye industry.

If they built Nordstream, they can build a pipeline from TME too.

Nordstream project was initiated in 1997 and the first pipe was commissioned in 2011 - 14 years.

A pipeline from MidEast would be longer and more complicated (several overland sections).

Again you're looking at a similar timeframe of a decade or two.

The price filters through to the market only having a minor effect overall.

It's far from a minor effect. You think Volkswagen is shuttering their German factories (they never did that in the company's entire history) for no reason?

That isn't what's happening though, German GDP is still growing, just slightly slower, which is tolerable, whilst they go build nuclear plants.

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Look at IMF sources.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/profile/DEU

They have an annual GDP growth rate of ~0% with a inflation rate of 2.4% - that's still a net recession.

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Because they started the war 2.5 years prior!

So they didn't nuke them cuz they introspected and realized that they are at fault. Such good people they are!

You talk garbage. There avoiding the risk of nuclear war,

Like I said, NATO is threatening the use of nukes on Russia even if they were to nuke their own territory.

The war started because Ukraine wanted to join the EU, nothing to do with NATO. The protests in 2013 were about EU membership, not NATO membership.

At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the statement made at the 2008 Bucharest summit that Ukraine would eventually join NATO.

Ukraine–NATO relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm

It was a colonial, resource-stealing step you mean.

I'm sure you'd know all about that wouldn't you?

I would vote against any government that removes sanctions.

You're no longer a member of EU so your vote doesn't matter. Remember Brexit?

I'm sure there's plenty of businesses (and their influence groups) in the EU that want to have affordable power bills again.

It's Russians too. Putin is getting them killed and he illegally started it. Trump is mad, the clue's iun every speech he makes.

Less mad than Democrats. The clue is in every policy position they take.

No there aren't. How do you remove Saddam Hussein without war?

Blockade his oil exports.

Nope, you're using the 'self-interests' argument to try and create analogues between non-annexation/theft conflicts against clear and proven war criminals and conflict and annexation/theft not against war criminals. They'll never be the same. Budapest Memorandum had nothing to do with Russia's early-90s annexations. From Russia's point of view they were just disarming Ukraine so that they could invade them if the government ever sought true independence.

The only mistake that Ukraine made was believing the words of US & UK bureaucrats that they'll hold Russia to its word. They should've realized that you have no power over Russia.

The best thing to do for them would've been to keep (and operationalize) their nukes.

So they took the territory furthest from their capital with the most valuable resources,

His southern flank would've gone from the red line to the green line. It's not that difficult to understand if you start thinking strategically instead of only from the point of view that you, as a Briton, are most familiar with (stealing resources).

Jury of his peers thought otherwise.

They can only operate within the confines of the draconian anti-free speech laws passed by your Govt.

So you're justifying the invasion of countries based on maybes with zero evidence backing up those maybes.

No, that's what NATO did when going into Iraq looking for non-existent WMDs.

Given how Iranian backed groups fight, destruction of civilian infrastructure is inevitable, the world was wrong to criticise the Saudis.

If the Saudis are right to invade a country because they aren't making the noises the Saudis want them to make, then so is Russia.

So Russia need to kidnap children because it illegally invaded a country and bombed hospitals. JFC, Indian logic.

The invasion was done for strategic reasons. But that doesn't mean the children need to be left to their fate.

Here is the difference, tried, prosecuted and sentenced:

Russia hasn't tried any of its personnel.

Better to prevent children from being abused rather than try the perpetrators afterwards.

Bullets to back of heads aren't due to split-second decision making, neither is rape.

1 or 2 deaths maybe, but killing 24 women & children is not the result of split-second decision making. That's a systematic killing spree and the perpetrators essentially got off with all charges dropped.

I know. Netanyaho is basically facing an arrest warrant because Hamas and Hezbollah fight in a way that continuously breaks international law and:

a) People have lost the will to try and prosecute Hamas/Hezbollah;
b) South Africa is heavily anti-semitic and has a bee in its butt about not being allowed to invite Putin for its crappy meeting;
c) Lots of aid agencies are shipping arms to Hamas illegally;
d) Hamas steals food from civilians.

You don't need to convince me that Hamas are scum. I know they are.

But there are also scum that see no issue in carrying out this ridiculous warrant:

Canada will follow ICC warrant and arrest Netanyahu, Gallant if they enter country, Trudeau says

"We are one of the founding members of the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice. We will abide by all the regulations of the international court," he said.

www.jpost.com

Disappointing, but not surprising, considering the Canadian parliament recently gave a standing ovation for a literal Nazi SS officer so their closeted anti-semitism is free for all to see.

Who is Yaroslav Hunka, Ukrainian Nazi praised in Canada’s Parliament?

Hunka received a standing ovation after he was called a hero on September 22. Later, it emerged that he used to be part of a Nazi military unit known as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS organisation, which was involved in killing thousands of innocent people.

indianexpress.com

No. The warrant against Putin still has credibility,

The fact that they issued a baseless warrant that does not study a case in full means all their previous rulings are to be drawn into question.

No, I'd simply like to save time by not having to address multiple arguments that are based on false equivalents and heavily contorted analogues repititively. I can and have addressed them all repeatedly with ease, it's just a waste of my f*cking time and internet bandwidth.

So don't. There's no need to block internet access for over a billion people because a few said something you don't like.

This is the same problem with your Governments. You invade a country even though there were far less serious ways of dealing with a problem.

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The fact that they stopped publishing this statistic after 2022 should tell you something. Anyway, this is crude. We don't export crude.

The extra from India does not equal the reduction from Russia:

The oil India buys is also discounted below the price cap.

You answered your own question.

 

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He has more than enough resources himself. The invasion was always about Russia's security calculations. Any resources obtained are a side-goal and not the main motive.

If they weren't the main motive he'd have annexed the entire eastern border area of Ukraine to build distance from Moscow.

Nothing worse than a war zone where no law is enforced.

So Russia breaks them all?

Did you know that in many countries, Officers of the Law will come & take children away if the parents are dead or otherwise incapacitated (druggies, imprisoned etc.)?

It's called Child Protective Services. What Russia did was a wartime equivalent of what CPS does.

Child protective services - Wikipedia

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No, because:

a) the parents were still alive;
b) in the event of a) not being the case, Russian troops killed or executed them, CPS doesn't do that;
c) Ukraine and the EU have facilities to do take care of children and it is the perogative of Ukraine to decide not Russia.

So essentially you want Europe to have elevated energy prices for a good ~15 years. Got it.

Goodbye industry.

It's been 3 years already, we're doing fine. Ruble aka toilet coin ain't though:

Nordstream project was initiated in 1997 and the first pipe was commissioned in 2011 - 14 years.

A pipeline from MidEast would be longer and more complicated (several overland sections).

Again you're looking at a similar timeframe of a decade or two.

Could do it in a decade with the right motivation, we'll manage in the meantime as the ruble nosedives.

It's far from a minor effect. You think Volkswagen is shuttering their German factories (they never did that in the company's entire history) for no reason?

Look at IMF sources.

https://www.imf.org/external/datamapper/profile/DEU

They have an annual GDP growth rate of ~0% with a inflation rate of 2.4% - that's still a net recession.

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Germany was stupid, that's on Merkel, that's only one European country though. Russian currency is going down 2-3% per day at moment.

So they didn't nuke them cuz they introspected and realized that they are at fault. Such good people they are!

Yep, it's not deterrence if you attack first.

Like I said, NATO is threatening the use of nukes on Russia even if they were to nuke their own territory.

So they should. Allowing a country to use nukes for offence rather than defence would be an abomination.

At the June 2021 Brussels summit, NATO leaders reiterated the statement made at the 2008 Bucharest summit that Ukraine would eventually join NATO.

Ukraine–NATO relations - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We reiterate the decision made at the 2008 Bucharest Summit that Ukraine will become a member of the Alliance with the Membership Action Plan (MAP) as an integral part of the process.

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_185000.htm

Just words. The war started over EU membership. Russia knows damn well NATO isn't going to invade it for any reason bar Russia invading them, it's pie in the sky. Neighbouring countries joining the EU however, that has the very real, definite and immediate effect of cutting off Russian trade/exports from its current markets. Real vs hypothetical/immaginary.

I'm sure you'd know all about that wouldn't you?

Anyone with sense would.

You're no longer a member of EU so your vote doesn't matter. Remember Brexit?

I'm sure there's plenty of businesses (and their influence groups) in the EU that want to have affordable power bills again.

We're still part of the sanctions regime though. Current gov is already off to a bad start:

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Less mad than Democrats. The clue is in every policy position they take.

Democrats know that individual policies don't exist in isolation and affect other things, Trump does not understand consequences period, hence the capitol riots after his little speech last time.

Blockade his oil exports.

That only impacts the Iraqi populace and drives recruitment for Al-Quaeda or other.

The only mistake that Ukraine made was believing the words of US & UK bureaucrats that they'll hold Russia to its word. They should've realized that you have no power over Russia.

The best thing to do for them would've been to keep (and operationalize) their nukes.

Can't disagree with that. They should be trying to build nukes now - give a get out of die option to Moscow.

His southern flank would've gone from the red line to the green line. It's not that difficult to understand if you start thinking strategically instead of only from the point of view that you, as a Briton, are most familiar with (stealing resources).

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There's a river in the way, the eastern border is just land access. At the moment Moscow is <500km from Ukraine's upper border region, well within the range of a nuclear-tipped Hrim-2 strike, which is also infinity times more likely now than in 2013 as a result of this invasion.

They can only operate within the confines of the draconian anti-free speech laws passed by your Govt.

They have to have felt that his speech incited racial or religious hatred.

No, that's what NATO did when going into Iraq looking for non-existent WMDs.

That wasn't the only reason though (and was a result of a bad inside source who just wanted asylum) and Iraq and its resources were NOT annexed.

a) Saddam Hussein was a mass-murdering war criminal that killed a million of his own people - use of chemical weapons, torture, hostage taking, extrajudicial killings, genocide, invaded neighbour, deliberate damage to the environment; and
b) Sanctions were affecting the Iraqi people and driving recruitment to Al-Quaeda.

Every aspect is different with Russia's invasion of Ukraine, there is no comparison.

If the Saudis are right to invade a country because they aren't making the noises the Saudis want them to make, then so is Russia.

The Houthis are Iranian-backed terrorists who stole part of Yemen, and don't control the majority of it. Zelensky was elected. Again, you're just being retarded for the sake of replying, there are no similarities.

The invasion was done for strategic reasons. But that doesn't mean the children need to be left to their fate.

How about shooting civilians in the back of the head and bombing natal hospitals? That strategic too?

Better to prevent children from being abused rather than try the perpetrators afterwards.

Kidnapping them is abusing them.

1 or 2 deaths maybe, but killing 24 women & children is not the result of split-second decision making. That's a systematic killing spree and the perpetrators essentially got off with all charges dropped.

Facts probably weren't that cut and dry otherwise they'd have been prosecuted like others were. Children in that region are often used to trigger explosives. How many rooms/house involved in the raid? Light conditions? That said, the US immunity for testimony system has a lot to answer for. Unsuccessful prosecutions happen in peacetime too. Many a serial killer has gotten off as a result of the system, it's not perfect but it errs on avoiding convicting the innocent rather than convicting the guilty.

You don't need to convince me that Hamas are scum. I know they are.

But there are also scum that see no issue in carrying out this ridiculous warrant:

Canada will follow ICC warrant and arrest Netanyahu, Gallant if they enter country, Trudeau says

"We are one of the founding members of the International Criminal Court and the International Court of Justice. We will abide by all the regulations of the international court," he said.

www.jpost.com

Disappointing, but not surprising, considering the Canadian parliament recently gave a standing ovation for a literal Nazi SS officer so their closeted anti-semitism is free for all to see.

Who is Yaroslav Hunka, Ukrainian Nazi praised in Canada’s Parliament?

Hunka received a standing ovation after he was called a hero on September 22. Later, it emerged that he used to be part of a Nazi military unit known as the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS organisation, which was involved in killing thousands of innocent people.

indianexpress.com

Well Turdeau has no equivalent but they probably weren't wise to the latter situation. India also have no place to critcise since you recently named an island after a Nazi collaborator and invited Putin for coffee and tea. It's because of Russian leader like Putin and worse that Ukrainians were so willing to join the Nazis during WWII. It was either Hitler or Stalin, they picked the lesser of two evils after Holodomor.

The fact that they issued a baseless warrant that does not study a case in full means all their previous rulings are to be drawn into question.

They issued a warrant for deprivation of aid but the aid companies also deliver weapons and Hamas steal food. Kidnapping children and shooting civilians (in several areas) in the back of the head has no doubt in it.

So don't. There's no need to block internet access for over a billion people because a few said something you don't like.

There isn't though, you will keep posting false equivalents and contorted analogues forever unless internet access is ended.

This is the same problem with your Governments. You invade a country even though there were far less serious ways of dealing with a problem.

There wasn't though, as explained above.

The fact that they stopped publishing this statistic after 2022 should tell you something. Anyway, this is crude. We don't export crude.

You answered your own question.

The second graphic covers oil products and all energy imports not just oil.

 

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Ukraine has never sponsored terror attacks inside Russia, or any sabotage attacks until after 2022 for that matter. Ukraine had never invaded or annexed Russian territory or any other adjacent territory prior to 2024. Ukraine never conducted a genocide like Operation Searchlight. Ukraine can't be compared to Pakistan in any way unless you're on LSD

Ukraine totally acted like Pakistan with that WESTERN STYLE building torching which killed protestors sympathetic to Russians, changing names, stiffling ethnic Russians past. You think a Nation that is on full radar of NATO nukes will wait like India.
First learn, why comparison was made? And what is being said.

It was actually the French (Normans) who first invaded Ireland after they invaded Britain. That's how far back this thing goes, almost to same period that Varangian Vikings from the east coast of Sweden sailed across the Baltic Sea and took control of Novgorod and then sailed down the Dnieper to take Kyiv and form the Kievan 'Rus. The first leader of which, was Prince Oleg, a Varangian. Then the Mogolians came, then Russia invaded everything from Novgorod to Alaska.

As for India/Pakistan, it was never not partitioned when the British arrived. It was less partitioned after we left. Don't blame us for all your problems.

Yes, right "That's how far back this thing goes", this.

So, fish and chips, you can go far back in history to prove your Nation is not to blame.

But, India cannot go to past to question it's problem with west? This is what called white man syndrome.

Let leave all that, focus on future. Let India arm Ireland to the teeth and help them take back Northern Ireland as well as Whole of Britain, you would not have not problem with that, right?
Because according to you, British colonialism was actually beneficial according to you.

 

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If they weren't the main motive he'd have annexed the entire eastern border area of Ukraine to build distance from Moscow.

He tried that - but it didn't work. Russia would take all of Ukraine if it could. But it can't so they settled for what they were able to grab & hang on to.

No, because:

a) the parents were still alive;
b) in the event of a) not being the case, Russian troops killed or executed them, CPS doesn't do that;
c) Ukraine and the EU have facilities to do take care of children and it is the perogative of Ukraine to decide not Russia.

I said wartime equivalent.

In the situation that emerged immediately following the invasion, it was either that or let the children navigate across a warzone all by themselves.

It was a no-brainer.

It's been 3 years already, we're doing fine. Ruble aka toilet coin ain't though:

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Tell the workers of those factories that. What's happening in Europe now is unprecedented - this didn't happen even after 2008 GFC.

The Russians can at least make the excuse that they're running a war economy that's why all the inflation. What's Europe's excuse for recessions & deindustrialization? Other than elevated energy costs?

Could do it in a decade with the right motivation, we'll manage in the meantime as the ruble nosedives.

If this continues for a decade, European industry is doomed. But it's interesting that you're willing to let that happen as long as Russia goes down as well. You have the mentality of a suicide bomber.

Germany was stupid, that's on Merkel, that's only one European country though. Russian currency is going down 2-3% per day at moment.

It's on Gerhard Schroder as well - he was a literal Russian agent.

Anyway, Germany is Europe's engine.

In terms of manufacturing output, the next closest European country is like 1/4th of Germany. And of lot of those countries' output actually feeds into Germany which has the highest value-addition part in the whole supply chain.

If Germany goes, it'll take a good chunk of Europe with it.

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So they should. Allowing a country to use nukes for offence rather than defence would be an abomination.

It's not offence if you nuke your own territory to stop an invading force. Doesn't matter if there was a conventional war beforehand. Nuclear is a whole other paradigm.

It would only have been an offensive use if it was used against the Ukrainian counterattack that happened within what is internationally recognized as Ukraine. I'll even grant you that it would have been offensive even if they used it in Crimea as that is still not widely recognized as Russia despite annexation.

Just words.

So you want them to wait till after Ukraine & NATO put pen to paper? LOL.

The war started over EU membership.

They wouldn't have put Ukraine's territory in question with the Crimea & Donbas incursions if that was the case. Territorial integrity only matters if you are pursuing a Collective Defence Treaty - or trying to stop one.

Russia knows damn well NATO isn't going to invade it for any reason bar Russia invading them, it's pie in the sky.

Already went through how & when you would (and you even admitted that you would if X, Y conditions are met). Not gonna go over all that again.

Neighbouring countries joining the EU however, that has the very real, definite and immediate effect of cutting off Russian trade/exports from its current markets. Real vs hypothetical/immaginary.

Russia has nothing much except energy & commodities (mostly natural resources) to sell. EU themselves were already was a huge customer of Russian energy by that point. Nothing would have changed for Russia's economy if Ukraine became a EU member.

NATO was the real threat.

We're still part of the sanctions regime though. Current gov is already off to a bad start:

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You don't import much Russian energy and you don't have much of a manufacturing economy like Germany that needs those inputs. Your sanctions don't matter to Russia. The EU ones do.

Democrats know that individual policies don't exist in isolation and affect other things, Trump does not understand consequences period, hence the capitol riots after his little speech last time.

The Capitol riots were largely peaceful. Way more people died in the George Floyd riots which were engineered by the Democrats & other far-left radicals.

That only impacts the Iraqi populace and drives recruitment for Al-Quaeda or other.

As if the invasion did anything different.

Can't disagree with that. They should be trying to build nukes now - give a get out of die option to Moscow.

Keep in mind that the US & UK had their own agenda for doing the Budapest Memo. Ukrainian personnel were active participants in the covert war in Transnistria, they operated alongside Russians.

Transnistria War - Wikipedia

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The West had as much to fear from a nuclear-armed Ukraine as Russia did. That's why they were disarmed over false promises by both sides. You never intended anything good for them, you or the Russians.

There's a river in the way, the eastern border is just land access.

Russians crossed the Dnieper earlier in the war.

NATO can do it too. The Nazis could do it way back in the 40s.

At the moment Moscow is <500km from Ukraine's upper border region, well within the range of a nuclear-tipped Hrim-2 strike, which is also infinity times more likely now than in 2013 as a result of this invasion.

And what would that provoke? You seem intent on setting Eastern Europe on nuclear fire. It's not for no reason that I hope Trump puts a stop to this madness.

They have to have felt that his speech incited racial or religious hatred.

The only thing he called for was a change in Government policy so as to not spend money on illegal immigrants.

That wasn't the only reason though (and was a result of a bad inside source who just wanted asylum) and Iraq and its resources were NOT annexed.

Nobody starts an invasion over a single bad source.

The Houthis are Iranian-backed terrorists who stole part of Yemen,

Houthis are native Yemenis. You can't steal your own land.

Zelensky was elected.

On an anti-war platform. Now he wants to prolong the war to keep the Democrats & MIC happy.

How about shooting civilians in the back of the head and bombing natal hospitals? That strategic too?

For all we know it's like the 'hospitals' in Gaza or Syria.

Those places have among the lowest hospitals-per-people or schools-per-people ratio in the whole world. But as soon as an Israeli attack levels a block, suddenly every building turns out to be either a school or a hospital. And the corrupt White Helmets show up, pulling out the same exact girl from rubble again & again for photo-ops.



There are well-established ways of manipulating people's opinions by tugging at heart strings. You can't just believe everything that comes out of a warzone where nobody really knows what happened.

They say truth is the first casualty of war for a reason.

Well Turdeau has no equivalent but they probably weren't wise to the latter situation.

It only takes a Google search to find out who someone is or is at least accused of being. They knew who they were felicitating.

The Canadian Deputy PM's granddad was also a Nazi collaborator. And she lied about it and said it was Russian disinformation.

Chrystia Freeland’s granddad was indeed a Nazi collaborator – so much for Russian disinformation

The news conference on Monday by Foreign Affairs Minister Chrystia Freeland was interesting not for the announcement that Canada was extending its training mission …

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India also have no place to critcise since you recently named an island after a Nazi collaborator and invited Putin for coffee and tea. It's because of Russian leader like Putin and worse that Ukrainians were so willing to join the Nazis during WWII. It was either Hitler or Stalin, they picked the lesser of two evils after Holodomor.

Why is it okay for Ukrainians to collaborate with Nazis after Holodomor but not okay for Indians to do the same after the Bengal Famine?

There isn't though, you will keep posting false equivalents and contorted analogues forever unless internet access is ended.

I could warn or ban you if I wanted. But I don't because I believe in free speech as long as you follow rules of discourse. I don't agree with what you say but I believe that you should be allowed to say it nevertheless. You don't believe in free speech and think freedom of speech should be conditional on whether it benefits you or not. If you were a Mod, I'd have been banned by now.

That's why you (and your Government which follows the same logic) are a threat to freedom everywhere.

The second graphic covers oil products and all energy imports not just oil.

This graphic is from 2022 and it shows the EUR amounts, not volume of energy sold.

And the reason the Indian uptake doesn't equal the European cutting is because our purchases were discounted, plus we bought mostly crude which is not value-added. We did the value addition (refining) ourselves. But the European figure represents the pre-war amounts which were bought at market prices and were for value-added inputs like gas & refined products (which is what was cut).

And I don't deny that India doesn't supply everything you need - that's why you have elevated prices.

 

[Barcid]

The "will sink all of the coastal cities" nonsense. Nobody around the world cares about this argument when govts are busy building massive coastal infrastructure projects at sea level.

Or slightly higher temperatures killing crops. In India, our normal weather is higher than what people in the West think will kill crops, and we grow stuff just fine.

Climate change has been highly exaggerated. Apparently in the 1980s, they were going around saying most coastal cities will be under water by 2020. Now the new date is 2050. In 2050, it's gonna be 2080. This is only meant to fool idiots.

Dude humans are not the only species who live on this planet, for all other species, climate change is disastrous.

Walruses in Arctic ocean don't find enough space to rest due to sea receding and they have to crowd on rocky island cliffs. There due to lack of space, they often fall down and die.

Enjoy this video of Walruses dying off falling from rocks and know that climate change and climate change deniers like you are responsible for it

 

[South block]

Clown show is back

 

[jetray]

good lord look who is FBI director , let the memes flow.................

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863009430817644738

Clown show is back

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next 4 years we will be having a lot of entertainment. biden or trump would make no difference , it was going downhill any way.

 

[Innominate]

good lord look who is FBI director , let the memes flow.................

https://twitter.com/x/status/1863009430817644738

next 4 years we will be having a lot of entertainment. biden or trump would make no difference , it was going downhill any way.

Kash Patel

Legal Career: Public defender, then federal prosecutor for national security cases.

House Intelligence: Led investigation into Russian election interference, co-authored Nunes memo.

NSC: Senior Director for Counterterrorism, managed key anti-terrorism strategies.

Defense Department: Chief of Staff to Acting Defense Secretary, managed department operations.



Deep state/Elites undies just got a lil browner.

 

[Parthu]

Kash Patel

Legal Career: Public defender, then federal prosecutor for national security cases.

House Intelligence: Led investigation into Russian election interference, co-authored Nunes memo.

NSC: Senior Director for Counterterrorism, managed key anti-terrorism strategies.

Defense Department: Chief of Staff to Acting Defense Secretary, managed department operations.

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Deep state/Elites undies just got a lil browner.

Unfortunately, I don't think the appointments of Patel, Hegseth & Gabbard will pass Senate confirmation.

We'll see.