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How on earth can the US - the bastion of capitalism elect anarchists masquerading as socialists is beyond me?!?
It's precisely because it is a bastion of unfettered capitalism that its citizens are getting increasingly dissatisfied by the system and looking for alternatives.

Notably, socialism is getting popular there because everything that the post-Boomer generations want is being opposed by the Boomers under the pretext that it would be socialism. You can only hammer in "cool thing would be SOCIALISM!" for so long before people start hearing it as "socialism would be a cool thing!"...

Like a European-style system of healthcare; which would be a lot cheaper than the current American system of healthcare is, and more efficient too -- America spends about twice as much per capita on healthcare than Europe, and the result is still so bad that a lot of Americans are booking trips to third-world countries for medical treatment...

Or, European-style nearly free education. With the exception of the UK (outside of Scotland), university tuition in Europe is generally kept below about 200 € per year. In the US (and in England), higher education costs are absurdly high, forcing most students to take on debt which they will spend most of their life attempting to repay -- assuming they do get a job that pays well enough. This is going to be a huge crisis at some point in the future because, let's be honest, most of them will not be able to repay, and that's gonna crash as hard as the subprimes did.

So you get people who want to reform these systems to be more like what's in place in Europe or in Canada and the American establishment says that it would be socialism, so now people say they want socialism because, from what the American political establishment is saying, socialism would work a lot better than capitalism.
 
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Does VP have any significant power or just a ceremonial second in line ?

Traditionally VP doesn't have a lot of political power and really acts as a representative of the President within Congress as well as the left hand of the President when dealing with foreign affairs. The exception to this is Dick Cheney who was the most powerful VP, and arguably most powerful politician, in America's history. Dick Cheney was definitely an outlier though as he was 'under' an incapable president and Cheney was a Washington insider who over the course of decades built up a network of loyalists and partners within various Federal departments and corporations.
 
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Nikki Haley, Bobby Jindal and on-and-off relationships with Indian American identity
After Nikki Haley's Republican National Convention speech this week, critics have pointed out that embracing one's roots can, itself, come across like a political act.

Haley, the former governor of South Carolina and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, was born Nimrata Randhawa to Indian immigrants from Punjab and goes by the childhood nickname “Nikki." She’s private about her Sikh background and emphasizes her conversion to Christianity. She even listed her race as “white” on a 2001 voter registration card.

But on Monday, the first night of the RNC, she invoked her Indian identity and claimed that “America is not racist,” although later in the same speech, she contradicted herself by pointing out that her family had faced discrimination during her childhood.

South Asian American experts who are familiar with Haley, Bobby Jindal, the former Louisiana governor and 2016 Republican presidential hopeful, and other conservative Indian American politicians note that some of them seem to have an on-and-off relationship with their Indian identity, mostly appearing to distance themselves from it but also using it to their advantage when it serves them.

Haley and Jindal, the only two Indian Americans to be elected governor, did not respond to NBC Asian America's request for comment.

Jindal — born Piyush, not Bobby — has dismissed his Indian identity at times, rejecting the label “Indian American” and referring to his skin tone as just a “tan,” while also looking to wealthy Indian families like the Kailases, big Louisiana landowners, for political and financial support.

“They painstakingly mask their identities when it is convenient to get votes,” Lakshmi Sridaran, executive director of the racial justice nonprofit South Asian Americans Leading Together, said of Haley and Jindal (who left office in 2016)
Sridaran said that when politicians like Haley speak about their own identities, it usually leads to perpetuation of the idea that immigrants and people of color just need to work hard to overcome systemic injustices.

“Jindal and Haley have done a great job highlighting their South Asian roots when it is convenient to appeal to an immigrant narrative and simultaneously gaslight the very existence of racism,” she said.

During her RNC speech, Haley made it clear that while her family faced racism, they didn’t let it slow their professional endeavors or stop them from achieving success in the U.S.

"I was a brown girl, in a Black and white world. We faced discrimination and hardship. But my parents never gave in to grievance and hate,” she said. “My mom built a successful business. My dad taught 30 years at a historically black college. And the people of South Carolina chose me as their first minority and first female governor.”

To experts who watched her speech, this use of "American Dream" language perpetuates the "model minority" myth, which praises Asian Americans as inherently hardworking and willing to assimilate to dismiss the oppression of Black and Latino Americans.

“It tells this story of, if we all just ‘worked hard enough,’ we would all be successful. That's simply false,” said Yuki Yamazaki, a half-South Indian, half-Japanese psychotherapist who studies Asian Americans, colorism, and the model minority myth.

Yamazaki says Haley’s privilege as a rich, highly educated, light-skinned Indian American makes it easier for her to pick and choose when it’s convenient to use her racial identity.

“Most BIPOC don't get to pick and choose when we want to identify as a BIPOC,” she said, using an acronym for a Black, Indigenous person of color. “Those who do are demonstrating a level of privilege that may reflect other aspects of their identity.”

For politicians like Haley and Jindal, a dismissal of their Indian identity in public life is often the default setting, Sridaran said.

“As we see with both political parties, appealing to white voters is always the priority so it is not surprising that politicians will push away their identities in an attempt to narrow their proximity to whiteness,” she said.

The idealization of whiteness has been pervasive in Indian communities long before there was a significant South Asian population in the U.S., according to Yamazaki. Casteism and colonialism in India are two driving forces that have shaped the benefits associated with being proximate to whiteness, and many high-caste, light-skinned South Asians have taken advantage of this.

“There is a long history of South and East Asians identifying with whiteness in order to get American benefits/safety/security like U.S. citizenship,” Yamazai said.

And the instinct to assimilate and shed cultural identity is often rewarded by white people in power.

“There’s a lot of praise from the right wing of Indian Americans for assimilating or being able to fit stereotypes of ‘whiteness,’” said Nitish Pahwa, a copy editor and writer at Slate who analyzes South Asian American issues. “When you’re growing up in America and you have your Indian roots, there’s naturally a clash. Unfortunately, some Indian Americans tend to distance themselves from their roots. I’ve been somewhat guilty of this in the past myself.”

Pahwa cited anti-brown racism in the wake of 9/11 as a factor that made some conservative Indians in politics distance themselves from their roots. He also emphasized that for light-skinned Indians, this distancing is much easier.

“Lighter-skinned Indians tend to have an easier time in both India and America than do darker-skinned Indians,” he said. “You can see with Bobby Jindal, Nikki Haley especially, and with Dinesh D’Souza, they’re all relatively lighter-skinned Indians.”

And while experts agree that the selective use of racial identity by these politicians contributes to racism against Black and Latino Americans, Sridaran also pointed out the impact it can have on Asian Americans who don’t fall into privileged demographics.

“It also erases the disparities within our own Asian American and South Asian American communities, ignoring working-class, caste-oppressed, religious minorities within our populations who must contend with institutionalized racism everyday,” she said.
 


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How's the recent & recurring violence going to impact the presidential polls? One tweet in this thread reports more than 30 lives were taken / lost due to violence by the BLM / Antifa protestors.

@Ginvincible

Honestly the situation is taking a turn for the worse. This last week has been especially bad with protesters and counter protesters killing each other in the streets. A few days ago some kid Trump supporter in Illinois got into a fight and killed 2 BLM protesters and last night a BLM protester point blank executed a Trump supporter in Portland. While there has been rioting and damage over the last few months, outright shootouts and executions are new.

It feels like we are going to see something reminiscent of the 1920s street fights between Communists and Nationalists in Weimar Germany. How this impacts the election is hard to say. Trump has been polling better the last few weeks which people think is because of exhaustion from the riots/protests and a strong showing at the Republican National Convention. But, this election is expected to have significantly higher voter turnout (even my mother registered to vote lol) which almost always favors Democrats.

IMO the worst thing to come from this is that wearing a mask and social distancing has become politicized and people are already casting conspriacies on the vaccine. COVID-19 will kill way more people than police brutality and political street fights.
 
Honestly the situation is taking a turn for the worse. This last week has been especially bad with protesters and counter protesters killing each other in the streets. A few days ago some kid Trump supporter in Illinois got into a fight and killed 2 BLM protesters and last night a BLM protester point blank executed a Trump supporter in Portland. While there has been rioting and damage over the last few months, outright shootouts and executions are new.

It feels like we are going to see something reminiscent of the 1920s street fights between Communists and Nationalists in Weimar Germany. How this impacts the election is hard to say. Trump has been polling better the last few weeks which people think is because of exhaustion from the riots/protests and a strong showing at the Republican National Convention. But, this election is expected to have significantly higher voter turnout (even my mother registered to vote lol) which almost always favors Democrats.

IMO the worst thing to come from this is that wearing a mask and social distancing has become politicized and people are already casting conspriacies on the vaccine. COVID-19 will kill way more people than police brutality and political street fights.
But what's the national mood like about the elections? Is it favouring Trump or Biden? Or is it too close to call. Frankly, though I'm not hopeful for Trump, I'd definitely like to see him win only for what he's subjecting China to. That said, there's no guarantee, he won't do a volte face & sign a deal with China.
 
But what's the national mood like about the elections? Is it favouring Trump or Biden? Or is it too close to call. Frankly, though I'm not hopeful for Trump, I'd definitely like to see him win only for what he's subjecting China to. That said, there's no guarantee, he won't do a volte face & sign a deal with China.

I personally feel like Biden will win. He has so much media support and has a clear lead in almost every poll. The overwhelming majority of people I talk to and most yard signs I see support Biden as well. This is irrespective of race or social class... only a handful of close friends have confided in me that they are planning on voting for Trump. I won't discount Trump because he might get that "silent majority" vote in the key swing-states that he needs as he did in 2016... but it definitely feels like more people care about this election specifically to boot Trump from office.

There is a reason Trump is making plays to make voting more difficult this year. If there is substantial turn-out, Trump is likely going to lose.
 
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I personally feel like Biden will win. He has so much media support and has a clear lead in almost every poll. The overwhelming majority of people I talk to and most yard signs I see support Biden as well. This is irrespective of race or social class... only a handful of close friends have confided in me that they are planning on voting for Trump. I won't discount Trump because he might get that "silent majority" vote in the key swing-states that he needs as he did in 2016... but it definitely feels like more people care about this election specifically to boot Trump from office.

There is a reason Trump is making plays to make voting more difficult this year. If there is substantial turn-out, Trump is likely going to lose.
That's what I thought. Up until the Chinese virus & it's spread across the US, the elections were a cakewalk for Trump. A mere formality. Look at where he is now.

As they say, a week is a Long time in politics.

This is now more of an anti Trump vote than it is a pro Biden. But I guess that's how it's in most cases. It's always a case for the incumbent to lose than for the challenger to win.
 
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That's what I thought. Up until the Chinese virus & it's spread across the US, the elections were a cakewalk for Trump. A mere formality. Look at where he is now.

As they say, a week is a Long time in politics.

The first and foremost issue in American politics is the economy, which usually translates to jobs. Trump was crushing it on that front until the pandemic struck. I honestly thought Trump would certainly win against a senile and 'establishment' Biden. The pandemic really was unfortunate for Trump in that respect. Now with vast unemployment and persistent social disorder, Biden is marketing himself as a "return to normal" candidate.

This election is a referendum on Trump and he just doesn't have a lot going for him. Trump's current strategy seems to be trying to use the unrest to his advantage. Sit back and watch the BLM/Antifa chaos and point to the Democrats as enabling the behavior. It's why he keeps harking on "law and order" and focusing on "Democrat run cities" to make it seem like the riots will be a new normal if he loses.
 
This election is a referendum on Trump and he just doesn't have a lot going for him. Trump's current strategy seems to be trying to use the unrest to his advantage. Sit back and watch the BLM/Antifa chaos and point to the Democrats as enabling the behavior. It's why he keeps harking on "law and order" and focusing on "Democrat run cities" to make it seem like the riots will be a new normal if he loses.


If the riots continue for another month or so I'd say the average working class white male from the Midwest / Rust Belt / Bible thumping States will be backing Trump. That's the only way he's going to win the elections.

Boy! That would be some victory. I can already imagine Trump gloat.Sort of like the Ed Norton character taunting Richard Gere's in the climax of Primal Fear.Funny thing how elections in US & India mirror each other.
 
If the riots continue for another month or so I'd say the average working class white male from the Midwest / Rust Belt / Bible thumping States will be backing Trump. That's the only way he's going to win the elections.

Boy! That would be some victory. I can already imagine Trump gloat.Sort of like the Ed Norton character taunting Richard Gere's in the climax of Primal Fear.Funny thing how elections in US & India mirror each other.
Great movie.

Irrespective of whoever wins in November, there will be a massive meltdown. Outsiders should just get the popcorn ready and enjoy the show.
 
To experts who watched her speech, this use of "American Dream" language perpetuates the "model minority" myth, which praises Asian Americans as inherently hardworking and willing to assimilate to dismiss the oppression of Black and Latino Americans.
The "model minority" myth simply comes from the fact that we're talking about recent immigrants, so it's people who #1 want to be accepted by their new country and make a greater effort to integrate, including accepting some amount of discrimination without picking a fight about it, and #2 are generally in the elite or at least middle class of the country they left, meaning they have a higher education and wealth than the poor communities of America do. So they work hard and succeed, and that's the American Dream.

But Blacks and Latinos, they're poor, they can't get good education to rise socially because there's no good jobs anymore for low-skilled workers in America, and so they stay poor and their children stay poor. It's interesting to note that when a Black or Latino American has a successful career, they're usually from a recent immigrant background, and a wealthy family. Former President Obama is probably the best example: his Black ancestors were not slaves, his dad was a Kenyan statesman who immigrated to Hawaii.

Generally the problem in America is that low-skilled workers do not have opportunities to accumulate enough wealth to give their children a good education so that they can become high-skilled workers. This is historically how developed countries acquired a large middle class which is how a country is prosperous and healthy, but it doesn't work anymore in deindustrialized countries.

People tend to think it's "systemic racism" because it affects certain racial minorities disproportionately, but it's actually mostly classism. You can find poor white communities that suffer from this just like the poor black communities do, it's just that you don't see them generally because they're hidden by the rich white communities.

How's the recent & recurring violence going to impact the presidential polls? One tweet in this thread reports more than 30 lives were taken / lost due to violence by the BLM / Antifa protestors.
They're Trump's best chance of reelection. In the early days of the protests it benefited the Left because, let's be honest, there really is a problem with American police (several problems, in fact; it's worth a full digression but I'll skip it for now) but after it degenerated it has mostly served to show the Left as a bunch of enablers for looters and criminals, and it has also given time to organizations such as BLM to discredit themselves by showing an ideology that goes far beyond the defense of their primary causes to also embrace some wild ideas that most people do not necessarily agree with. For example, BLM isn't just happy with protesting against the impunity of police officers who kill Black people outside of self-defense, but they've also come out against things like the "nuclear family", arguing that children being raised by their parents is "reactionary", and most people will go "WTF are they on" when they hear this.
 
The "model minority" myth simply comes from the fact that we're talking about recent immigrants, so it's people who #1 want to be accepted by their new country and make a greater effort to integrate, including accepting some amount of discrimination without picking a fight about it, and #2 are generally in the elite or at least middle class of the country they left, meaning they have a higher education and wealth than the poor communities of America do. So they work hard and succeed, and that's the American Dream.

But Blacks and Latinos, they're poor, they can't get good education to rise socially because there's no good jobs anymore for low-skilled workers in America, and so they stay poor and their children stay poor. It's interesting to note that when a Black or Latino American has a successful career, they're usually from a recent immigrant background, and a wealthy family. Former President Obama is probably the best example: his Black ancestors were not slaves, his dad was a Kenyan statesman who immigrated to Hawaii.

Generally the problem in America is that low-skilled workers do not have opportunities to accumulate enough wealth to give their children a good education so that they can become high-skilled workers. This is historically how developed countries acquired a large middle class which is how a country is prosperous and healthy, but it doesn't work anymore in deindustrialized countries.

People tend to think it's "systemic racism" because it affects certain racial minorities disproportionately, but it's actually mostly classism. You can find poor white communities that suffer from this just like the poor black communities do, it's just that you don't see them generally because they're hidden by the rich white communities.

Very well said. I feel this is a problem throughout the developed world and is beign exacerbated by increasing levels of automation and increasing inflows of low skill/education migrants that compete with domestic unskilled labor over diminishing positions. This will be a huge issue in the not so distant future. How will nations deal with this? Push everyone through higher education somehow? UBI? Will be interesting to see.

They're Trump's best chance of reelection. In the early days of the protests it benefited the Left because, let's be honest, there really is a problem with American police (several problems, in fact; it's worth a full digression but I'll skip it for now) but after it degenerated it has mostly served to show the Left as a bunch of enablers for looters and criminals, and it has also given time to organizations such as BLM to discredit themselves by showing an ideology that goes far beyond the defense of their primary causes to also embrace some wild ideas that most people do not necessarily agree with. For example, BLM isn't just happy with protesting against the impunity of police officers who kill Black people outside of self-defense, but they've also come out against things like the "nuclear family", arguing that children being raised by their parents is "reactionary", and most people will go "WTF are they on" when they hear this.

BLM is slowly splintering, much like the Occupy Wall Street movement last decade. In the end of the day, it's millions of people voicing their collective anguish with little direction and without detailed plans on dismantling the systemic racism that impedes social mobility. It's why you see ridiculous ideas like heavily taxing nuclear families, direct reparation payments to minorities, or affirmative action plans for legislative and judicial bodies.

Its giving rise to a new age Marxism (that I personally feel is perpetuated by young champagne socialists) that challenges capitalism and ideas around personal property. Hopefully this section of the movement peters out.
 
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Its giving rise to a new age Marxism (that I personally feel is perpetuated by young champagne socialists) that challenges capitalism and ideas around personal property. Hopefully this section of the movement peters out.
Wouldn't this create a larger blowback ? The rise of BJP in India for example largely started as a blowback against similar policies by the UPA 1 & 2. Well that and corruption. To a large degree the after effects of that blowback still continue. Similarly this could greatly benefit Trump if the Dems are aiding, abetting or justifying the riots.

Speaking of justifications, some American libbie wrote an article recently "In Defence of Looting" where the writer says the word "loot" is originally from Hindi and thus it automatically has a radical meaning. I was like why ? What does radical mean here ? A Hindi professor asked the writer on twitter how she concluded that and she immediately blocked him. Now the Indian meme-sphere is busy making memes to troll her for her incredible expertise on Hindi. :ROFLMAO:

Whichever way the election goes there are so many folks in India waiting to make memes that I can't imagine what life of the losing party's supporters will be like on SM. Still think the Dems should've avoided nominating Harris for VP. This whole deal with "she is so Indian" just managed to attract the wrong kind of attention.
 
What good will this do ?

Wouldn't this create a larger blowback ? The rise of BJP in India for example largely started as a blowback against similar policies by the UPA 1 & 2. Well that and corruption. To a large degree the after effects of that blowback still continue. Similarly this could greatly benefit Trump if the Dems are aiding, abetting or justifying the riots.

Speaking of justifications, some American libbie wrote an article recently "In Defence of Looting" where the writer says the word "loot" is originally from Hindi and thus it automatically has a radical meaning. I was like why ? What does radical mean here ? A Hindi professor asked the writer on twitter how she concluded that and she immediately blocked him. Now the Indian meme-sphere is busy making memes to troll her for her incredible expertise on Hindi. :ROFLMAO:

The Democrats have the benefits and woes of being the "big tent" party. Since the US is effectively a 2-party state, coalition building is substituted with promoting voter turnout. To get that voter turnout they must toe a fine line between appeasing the fringe elements of their tent without disturbing the guiding philosophy of the party. Minorities and youths are turning to increasingly polar ideologies and mainstream Democrats must appease them enough to get their votes. Failure to do this will result in them not voting which will cost them the election, and worst case scenario they will feel unrepresented and run off to form their own "progressive" party thus guaranteeing a Republican win. Thus Democracts must appease far left elements enough, but not enough to disillusion their core liberal base.

Whichever way the election goes there are so many folks in India waiting to make memes that I can't imagine what life of the losing party's supporters will be like on SM. Still think the Dems should've avoided nominating Harris for VP. This whole deal with "she is so Indian" just managed to attract the wrong kind of attention.

I know the memes will be amazing, but considering the possibility for intense political violence I can't in good faith say I look forward to the election. I honestly don't know what happened to so many of my friends and family over the last few years. I see them increasingly leaning towards far right and far left ideology. There is little room left for nuance and compromise. Maybe because I was occupied with research and grad school I never noticed the slow creeping radicalization, but somehow everyone around me has become incredibly polarized.

Politics has seeped into every facet of society now, the messaging and narratives are everywhere now. Being a centrist is becoming a less valid option as time passes as the rest of society increasing falls into one camp or another.

FWIW most Indians stateside understand that Kamala is Black first, but we also appreciate that she was raised by an Tamil mother. She probably ate many dosa/idli sambar breakfasts and understands the Indian mindset a lot more than most other Westerners in her position. Very few desis are voting Biden because Kamala is half Indian. They vote for him because they hate Trump.
 





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Mighty interesting time to be alive & living in the US! Who'd have ever thought that the US would see a sort of reverse McCarthyism minus a Marxist McCarthy ( talk about Joseph McCarthy taking somersaults in his grave at the mere juxtaposition of the M word with his name, leave aside the politics of it) especially Americans? @Ginvincible

Reminds me of that ancient Chinese curse : May you live in interesting times.