Wagner Group Mutiny Against Russia | Mercenaries moving across Lipetsk towards Moscow - Live Updates
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I can't presume what Modi's thinking, but I think the Indian establishment is both disappointed and pissed at the Russians and French. Both countries were misled to believe there would be no war for some reason. The Russians believed they will not face resistance, and the French believed there won't be a Russian invasion. Otherwise, the Franco-German mediators of the Minsk Protocol would have agreed to sign the deal and avoided the war entirely. Who knows how they got tricked? The Russians too should have handled it bilaterally.
The prosecution of the war must have disappointed them as well, it's taking too long and it's holding up Indian modernisation. The Russians are busy stealing our stuff too. I guess the only advantage we see here is all our stuff's becoming war proven. The cheap oil helps, but that could be temporary.
Strategic autonomy is either gifted by a superior power or earned. The former is used by second and third rate powers, they use their relationship with other first rate powers who have earned strategic autonomy to balance relations. India is in this category. To earn strategic autonomy, it's simple, all you need is a fleet of SSNs that can go undetected under the navy of a first rate power. That's it. Yeah, you need other qualities too, but a capable SSN fleet is number 1 in the list.
I recall Napoleon's famous maxim: "When the enemy makes a mistake, don't interrupt him".
It means these areas are now run by the FSB, who can access all communications, detain anyone, raid anywhere, and seize anything
Putin says - " This is a criminal campaign. It is equivalent to armed mutiny. Russia will defend itself and repel this move. We are fighting for the life and security of our citizens."
Putin says - " This is a criminal campaign. It is equivalent to armed mutiny. Russia will defend itself and repel this move. We are fighting for the life and security of our citizens."
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It seems it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that the current Russian campaign becomes a re-run of their WW1 escapade.
Damn, I missed it, but I had some sleep.
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Russian mercenary boss Prigozhin in standoff with Russian army amid 'armed mutiny'
LONDON (Reuters) -Rebellious Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said on Saturday he had taken control of the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don as part of an attempt to oust the military leadership amid what the authorities said was an armed mutiny. Prigozhin demanded that Russian Defence...
Damn, I missed it, but I had some sleep.
Russian mercenary boss Prigozhin in standoff with Russian army amid 'armed mutiny'
LONDON (Reuters) -Rebellious Russian mercenary chief Yevgeny Prigozhin said on Saturday he had taken control of the Russian city of Rostov-on-Don as part of an attempt to oust the military leadership amid what the authorities said was an armed mutiny. Prigozhin demanded that Russian Defence...
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More like, "We are fighting for the life and security of my backside, which is now on the line."
I'm running low on popcorn. Raj und radio what say you about this mess?
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This should boil @randomradio and @Rajput Lion 's blood. https://breakingdefense.com/2023/06/indias-modi-leaves-washington-with-host-of-defense-tech-agreements-in-his-wake/
We are in Afghanistan.
It was part of the war in the disputed region.
Zero India-led initiatives via QUAD to date.
The concessions are actually increasing, like Russia making us less dependent on them.
AMCA gets a new clean-sheet design.
Yes, but that wasn't the point.
Lol. You should read up a lot more. The US wants India to become an ally, ie, subservient to them.
That's not how it works. They only need 2 to counter USN's 12.
Only US, China and India have a massive carrier requirement, all others need only 1-3.
The gates to all exotic tech will close. Turkey is not the one getting Nerpas. The stuff we need, we cannot develop on our own in the next 30 years. We need them all even if they are leased. This includes SSNs and stealth bombers. If the Chinese come out with a near-space fighter, we will need a small number of PAK DP to compete with. We need to bridge the gap between now and when we also posses these technologies after 2050.
Our half is everything except the scramjet.
Our scramjet is still a TD, it's not yet capable of holding the flame alight enough to be used as a weapon. The Russian scramjet can hold a flame long enough to reach 1000Km at mach 8+.
Brahmos 2 is being designed for peak performance. It is expected to achieve the maximum speed possible, dependent on the airframe design. If the (Indian) airframe can only manage mach 7, then so be it. But if if manages mach 13, then that's what it will do.
DRDOs scramjet has more modest objectives. The TD is just 1T and the upscaled version will have 600Kg thrust.
We are renting foreign stuff until we make our own stuff. It's a 20-year effort.
How will we challenge the Russia, US and Europe with Agni V and VI without GPS/GLONASS? In just a few years we will have ICBMs that we cannot use fully without our own system. So we gotta rent.
Air chief in favour of flexing missile power - Hindustan Times
India must develop strategic missiles with intercontinental reach to deliver warheads more than 5,500 km away, the country's senior-most military commander has said, proposing a dramatic increase in the country's strike range. Rahul Singh reports. Wider reach
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Both Agni VI and K-6 are being developed with global range in mind.
Sure. Russia owns a refinery in India. And it's in our interest that Pakistan gets some of its supplies from India.
Our imports have not changed, our suppliers have changed.
China's HR quality is increasing though.
Russia getting weapons from outside is largely Western narrative. Yeah, maybe some UCAVs from Iran and artillery shells from NoKo, but that's about it.
You will have to wait and see for yourself.
TTP got a lot of American vehicles.
Supplying before war and during war are not the same. They are like two completely different discussions. During war, we have even sunk American and British ships that supplied to Pakistan. Do we do that during peacetime?
The US doesn't politically interfere in the Galwan crisis because we do things BILATERALLY. Why don't you get this? We only do things BILATERALLY. We don't like others meddling in our business.
The US has officially stated that they don't publicly discuss Galwan and the Indo-China border issue specifically due to Indian demands. We told them to shut up about it.
We will fight China and eat popcorn for the rest. In fact, the war with China will give us the excuse to not interfere with NATO vs Russia. Anyway, this scenario is highly unlikely without China and Russia entering a formal alliance. What will really happen is if Russia fights NATO, both China and India will grab popcorn, beer, and sit on lazy chairs together in front of a TV watching the fight.
India will become enemies with Russia only if Russia and China formally ally. Fat chance.
The only scenario where India will side with the West is when the West is being threatened by a Russo-China alliance.
Anyway, in such scenarios, India is important only 20+ years later. Today anything outside India or the IOR will see India only contributing cannon fodder. So it's meaningless.
That won't happen without a war. They learnt their mistake today after having sold Alaska.
You forget that they supplied weapons in the Galwan phase when many people expected there will be a war.
Russia-India defence relations are set to end without exotic tech in play.
If we give Ukraine weapons, the Russians will sell to Pakistan at the cheapest rates possible. And trust me, Russian stuff today is dirt cheap.
1 will come only if Russia is an alternate supplier. And whatever is expected to come will come on its own merit, like the recent F414 deal. We need Russia to rely on ourselves. You do realise we have not even begun taking baby steps in indigenisation right? Everything we are working on is still on paper. We are 10 years away, still, for even the most basic stuff like artillery guns and armoured vehicles. We have only seen some success in electronics and missiles and even that's still WIP, meaning 5 years away.
2 Russia is doing very well in controlling Pakistan, as is the US. So it's already happening. Russia will listen to us only if we are still their customers. And that's already coming to an end for non-exotic stuff. Our main relations today is economic, and even you claim that's temporary. So what's left is exotic stuff, which we won't get if we kill Russians.
Russia has proven its support of India via tech transfers, support in construction of Arihant, Nerpa and many other areas. The West to date is all talk, only France has somewhat stepped in with Scorpene, but everything else is still up in the air.
You are building castles in the air. First the West has to prove that it can even remotely match Russia's already proven track record, then we can talk.
And then the elephant in the room, UNSC vote and sanctions. You haven't given any reason how we can circumvent the UNSC without Russian support. With Obama's speech the other day, the US has officially started the process of creating religious divisions in India. Without Russia, even a single Hindu/Muslim riot will attract sanctions.
Anyway, you can have the last word, I will end the discussion here since you haven't provided any reason to support your view. You wanna overturn India's hard-earned advantage of having become friends with almost every major power, that's never gonna happen. India will never arm Ukraine even during peacetime, never mind during war. So this discussion was moot in the first place. It was still interesting nonetheless.
Clean-sheet design, so only the hot core is important. And yeah, we know France has it.
Any chatter from your side about MRFA? It's expected to start next month.
You guys are being led by your noses.
He is mixing facts, half-truths and lies in what he says.
For example, Donetsk saw bombings in civilian areas, but at the same time, Russian positions were hit far more.
I think a lot of Russian were looking for a way out of hell, and were happy to jump on the first train passing by.
This is an example of what happens when everything is build on lies. The building collapses.
And Which one is Camp Sensible?
There is no Camp Sensible in this war.
Russia-Ukraine started a stupid war. NATO is fanning the flames stupidly. And Prigozhin is playing stupid games with the stupid MoD.
They are all going to win stupid prizes in the end. All of them.