Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

vstol Jockey said:
If anyone ever does a detailed study of Indian History from Lord Ram to present day, we will find that India was strongest militarily only when we were strong economically. Its the economy which makes a nation strong and prosperous. A weak economy can't survive for long. We can take example from Purush sukta of Rig Veda where the Vaishya is shown to be born from the thighs of Lord Brahma. Thighs are the strongest limb in our body and provide strength and stability to the whole body. Communists used it destroy our ancient gyaan but the real meaning contained in it:
The Brahmins were created from the brain of Brahma, Kshatriyas from arms, Vaishya from thighs and Shudras from legs. Now let us see how a nation operates. We have policy makers who sit at top, we have the second rung officers who implement them, we have third rung officers who do the field work and we have fourth rung people to provide support to these three. If you cutoff the fourth rung, everyone above will suffer and in terms of human body, the mind will be busy trying to keep the body mobile, hands will have to provide the support to keep the body erect and thighs will simply become useless. But if you cut off the thighs, you cutoff legs and the whole body becomes useless.
Economy, strong economy can only provide sustenance for all and make the entire body work to its optimum. Replace body with Nation and you will know the context of that shloka from Rigveda.
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What do you expect of 2 lunar eclipses which are going to happen in June month? is it going to be dangerous for India as it seems we have similar eclipse 50 years ago and also in Mahabharata ?
 
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Falcon said:
Sir.

Sometimes truth is a very bitter pill to swallow.

War itself is fluidic and dynamic. You would do well to read how we 'walked' into a military conflict with China in 1962. Did China cross into India or did we, north of McMahon Line of what was then NEFA? Seems people do not want to read and learn from history.

The systemic weaknesses that saw our forces' combat preparedness degrade in the intervening period from 1949 to 1962 are again rearing their head today. A lack of serious effort to upgrade technology to maintain the technological superiority has resulted in India today being almost at par with Pakistani forces in terms of relative integration of technology. In 1950s, IAF was the first AF to have jets in its inventory in the region. I won't write too much on it, just to get the gist of things.

Today, we are at the same point in time. We are barely having resources to win a quick war against Pakistan, with severe crunch in a two front war. It is very nice to claim things, but when they do not correlate with the capacity of the nation, and here I am referring to Indians as a whole, to sustain their forces through a two front war, I do oppose whipping up of a war hysteria by those neither qualified, nor volunteering to be the first to engage the enemy, against an enemy whose capacities are quiet well known.

Will India be able to hold it's own against China? No doubt. But at a great cost in terms of lives of soldiers lost because Indians have failed in ensuring that the elected Government gets them the equipment needed to win quickly. Because the very same Indians also are the ones who look for quick buck by importing stuff from China and putting a 'Made in India' label without capacity building which requires time for Return on Investments. But this subset is at the forefront of 'swadeshi movement', seeks tax write offs and bemoans 'regulations & taxation'.

Amusing, right?
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vstol Jockey said:
If anyone ever does a detailed study of Indian History from Lord Ram to present day, we will find that India was strongest militarily only when we were strong economically. Its the economy which makes a nation strong and prosperous. A weak economy can't survive for long. We can take example from Purush sukta of Rig Veda where the Vaishya is shown to be born from the thighs of Lord Brahma. Thighs are the strongest limb in our body and provide strength and stability to the whole body. Communists used it destroy our ancient gyaan but the real meaning contained in it:
The Brahmins were created from the brain of Brahma, Kshatriyas from arms, Vaishya from thighs and Shudras from legs. Now let us see how a nation operates. We have policy makers who sit at top, we have the second rung officers who implement them, we have third rung officers who do the field work and we have fourth rung people to provide support to these three. If you cutoff the fourth rung, everyone above will suffer and in terms of human body, the mind will be busy trying to keep the body mobile, hands will have to provide the support to keep the body erect and thighs will simply become useless. But if you cut off the thighs, you cutoff legs and the whole body becomes useless.
Economy, strong economy can only provide sustenance for all and make the entire body work to its optimum. Replace body with Nation and you will know the context of that shloka from Rigveda.
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Army reworks war doctrine for Pakistan, China | India News - Times of India

India News: The Army is now revising its five-year-old doctrine to effectively meet the challenges of a possible 'two-front war' with China and Pakistan.
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It was TEN YEARS AGO that Indian Army
Officially spoke about a Two Front Scenario

And out of that 6 years have been under Modi.

So the Really Serious Questions are as follows

1 ) what should we do when These Two Enemies who are hell bent on attacking us , actually do.start a Two.front conflict

2 ) If inspite of all our efforts and expenses If we cannot Defend our territory , what is the point in holding on to Kashmir
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
m.timesofindia.com

Army reworks war doctrine for Pakistan, China | India News - Times of India

India News: The Army is now revising its five-year-old doctrine to effectively meet the challenges of a possible 'two-front war' with China and Pakistan.
m.timesofindia.com m.timesofindia.com

It was TEN YEARS AGO that Indian Army
Officially spoke about a Two Front Scenario

And out of that 6 years have been under Modi.

So the Really Serious Questions are as follows

1 ) what should we do when These Two Enemies who are hell bent on attacking us , actually do.start a Two.front conflict

2 ) If inspite of all our efforts and expenses If we cannot Defend our territory , what is the point in holding on to Kashmir
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Hei pls read carefully what he told....
He told we can defend our country.. But with the cost of soldiers life ..
And about technological advances china has... We are the causes.. You, me and all indians.. Who dont support own quality products....
 
sid4587 said:
What do you expect of 2 lunar eclipses which are going to happen in June month? is it going to be dangerous for India as it seems we have similar eclipse 50 years ago and also in Mahabharata ?
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Do celestial phenomenon have any impact on earth, i know solar winds di have some.impact on upper atmosphere of earth.
 
indiandragon said:
Hei pls read carefully what he told....
He told we can defend our country.. But with the cost of soldiers life ..
And about technological advances china has... We are the causes.. You, me and all indians.. Who dont support own quality products....
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See , all I know is this
The Govt gives A Standard Direction to the Armed Forces that They have to Plan and Prepare for All possible Contingencies

And in this light the Armed forces have to Make Detailed Acquisition plans
Keeping in mind the strength of the Adversaries

Govt only provides money

Maintaining the Operational Prepared ness is the Task of the Armed Forces

So now when the Barbarians are at the Gates , We are going to make a list of all items , ie what we DON'T HAVE
 
shaxm said:
Brother you are talking as if Indians are the masters of MMA and they will protect from the wudang warriors in Ladakh. Please understand that China is a 50000 year old civilisation which was once spread not just across the north and south poles but also across the east and west poles. China still preserves its ancient wisdom of Shifu Confucious and the secret of Dao. When BaijiQuan and TaijiQuan comes together the warrior can never be defeated. Chinese military is expert in this ancient wisdom and nobody can defeat it.
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Lemme guess, whatever you are saying come together didn't come together till '97? When UK ruled HongKong? Or in WW2 when Japanese were making soft love to Nanjing? Or when Chinese melon was cut for spheres of influences?
 
Saaho said:
May I ask, is there something called "friend" countries? India and China look for their narrow interests. Fullstop.
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China is our number 1 enemy, it was declared by george fernandez. You like it or not, thy are hostile to us.
 
I understand the point that @Falcon is trying to make.

However, there are few issues that I don't understand -

India had umpteen opportunities to get rid of Pakistan, which India did not.

As per your logic - 'what is to be done with Pakistan after defeating Pak army' being the reason behind the decision.

So, if I understand correctly, according to you -

1) We should not fry Pakistan, or else we will have a failed state as our neighbour resulting in a new Syria.
2) We should not escalate with China, since Pakistan will join in & it will be a two front war - we are not ready for it.
3) Even if Pakistan doesn't join in, 'We can hold our own, at great cost to both our economy & lives of army men'

All this applies, when we have the choice - to attack or not to attack, our decision affects the outcome directly. Fair enough.

Now, coming to current situation -

China is pissed as we are building the border infra (official statement), behind the curtains, what ever the 'actual' reason be.
India's position is, we are not going to stop building the infra as per our need & requirements. Where does this leave China in terms of options.
Either backdown, or escalate, right?

Now, what if - China escalates & Pakistan joins in ?
According to you, militarily where do we stand in such a situation?

And most importantly,
China & Pakistan have been a perineal problem for India starting right from the old days.
Despite that, today, when it comes to a place where 2 front war is a possibility, we realise we are not well equipped.
Yeah, our defence budget is not huge, true, but 1962 to 2020, is that not enough time to get prepared for something this obvious?

Also, in the economic arena, India was & still is a huge market for China. I wonder what that was allowed by our past governments?

Lastly, @Falcon, could you please tell us, according to you, what are our i.e. India's options, in case of the worst case eventuality of a two - front war ?
 
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Hydra said:
China is our number 1 enemy, it was declared by george fernandez. You like it or not, thy are hostile to us.
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Then why do we do so much business with them? Why do they invest money in our companies?

Friend and enemy are too simple of concepts to apply to something as complex as foreign policy.

You may think Canada and US are friends, right? The amount of espionage that goes between these two will make you reconsider that.
 
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Saaho said:
Then why do we do so much business with them? Why do they invest money in our companies?

Friend and enemy are too simple of concepts to apply to something as complex as foreign policy.
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Why we are importing onions from pakistan? Why we are imparting cement from pakistan? Why we are exporting medical items to pakistan?
We are not a NK, neither china also. That's why we are engaging businesses activities with china. China also having the same mentality, thats why they are engaging with us, japan india.
In the era of globalization you may have to do business with your own enemies.
 
Defc0n said:
I understand the point that @Falcon is trying to make.

However, there are few issues that I don't understand -

India had umpteen opportunities to get rid of Pakistan, which India did not.

As per your logic - 'what is to be done with Pakistan after defeating Pak army' being the reason behind the decision.

So, if I understand correctly, according to you -

1) We should not fry Pakistan, or else we will have a failed state as our neighbour resulting in a new Syria.
2) We should not escalate with China, since Pakistan will join in & it will be a two front war - we are not ready for it.
3) Even if Pakistan doesn't join in, 'We can hold our own, at great cost to both our economy & lives of army men'

All this applies, when we have the choice - to attack or not to attack, our decision affects the outcome directly. Fair enough.

Now, coming to current situation -

China is pissed as we are building the border infra (official statement), behind the curtains, what ever the 'actual' reason be.
India's position is, we are not going to stop building the infra as per our need & requirements. Where does this leave China in terms of options.
Either backdown, or escalate, right?

Now, what if - China escalates & Pakistan joins in ?
According to you, militarily where do we stand in such a situation?

And most importantly,
China & Pakistan have been a perineal problem for India starting right from the old days.
Despite that, today, when it comes to a place where 2 front war is a possibility, we realise we are not well equipped.
Yeah, our defence budget is not huge, true, but 1962 to 2020, is that not enough time to get prepared for something this obvious?

Also, in the economic arena, India was & still is a huge market for China. I wonder what that was allowed by our past governments?

Lastly, @Falcon, could you please tell us, according to you, what are our i.e. India's options, in case of the worst case eventuality of a two - front war ?
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If there is a Two Front War we
Will absolutely crush Pakistan

We also have every right to Pre Emptively Use Nukes to Finish Off Pakistan
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
If there is a Two Front War we
Will absolutely crush Pakistan

We also have every right to Pre Emptively Use Nukes to Finish Off Pakistan
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I doubt about the last part, the moment nukes are involved, it is no longer a war you can win.
China can rain us with nukes as well. It's MAD then.
Also, radioactive clouds & debris over Asia will be a disaster for ages to come.

Again, @Falcon states, we are militarily capable of barely defeating Pakistan in a war & 'severe crunch' in a two front war, given the current state of affairs.
In such case, I would like to have fact based arguments on how we will crush Pakistan in a two front war ?
 
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China can't remain oblivious to India's illegal constructions in Ladakh: FM Qureshi

Foreign minister says New Delhi's "aggressive policy against its neighbours is putting regional peace and stability at stake".
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How amusing it is to see Pakistani cheering for their new daddy every other day. Sometimes for Arabs, for Chinese, for Turkey, for Malaysia. Inferiority complex runs so deep that they even put Nepal above Pakistan if it can somehow hurt India.

In India-China standoff neither is speaking too much, but cheerleaders of non party to dispute right from PM to FM to President, all of them are screaming at top of their lungs.

Immy reiterated False Flag again, @safriz do you really believe it will provide you any cover in case of attack.
 
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