Line of Actual Control (LAC) : India & Tibet Border Updates

safriz said:
We always cheer for whoever damages or tries to damage India. Same as you guys cheer Baloch terrorists, Pushtoon terrorists and everyone else .
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Lol, so what baloch and pashtoons are to us is China to you.
Bravo sir, you have my respect. 🤣😂

On a serious note - You guys also mobilised, right ?
Are you umm how to put it, waiting for China to start the shooting?
RISING SUN said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1265604027678670848
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'Arbitrate' - Was that a direct threat to China ?
 
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Has anybody heard any Russian support or statement for India in this standoff, even if I assume that its intentions are right , surely they don't want to go against Chinese wishes ,so one can't be certain that sanction won't come our way if we go against Chinese interest via russia in future .
 
safriz said:
We always cheer for whoever damages or tries to damage India. Same as you guys cheer Baloch terrorists, Pushtoon terrorists and everyone else .
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For some of us it has started happening recently, especially post 26/11 attacks. That too in limited section, read people with active social networking and interest in neighboring countries. This is very miniscule number of people considering we have almost 130 crore huge number of people. Most people here work hard to make ends meet, they don't have time for these frivolous activities. Please don't equate us with yourselves & likes. Thank you.
 
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China with it's mindless machismo has surely pushed India further towards USA ,both USA and India will be cooperating much closely now.
The only looser in this game will be China , Russia will gradually end up eroding it's levergae.


PS. Sometime I wonder why Chinese state behave so rude.looks like they lives altogether in a different world and totally bereft of human sensitivity which exist in a democracy ,God save their Ally(slaves).
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
Pakistanis should ASK themselves this question

IF China did not fight in Doklam and Ladakh , Will China Fight for Pakistan

@Arsalan123 @safriz
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They don't need to since they already know the answer to that.
Pakistan doesn't mean anything to China - a simple master slave relationship at it's very best.
China always gains from this relationship & Pakistan always loses.

They know it, they accept it.
They get unhappy ONLY when India screw Pakistan, they are quite ready & open to being screwed by every one else.
 
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vikata said:
China with it's mindless machismo has surely pushed India further towards USA ,both USA and India will be cooperating much closely now.
The only looser in this game will be China , Russia will gradually end up eroding it's levergae.


PS. Sometime I wonder why Chinese state behave so rude.looks like they lives altogether in a different world and totally bereft of human sensitivity which exist in a democracy ,God save their Ally(slaves).
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I read that some revolt is brewing against XI Jinping

And XI had recently fired some Corrupt PLA generals

So it is possible that PLA generals were doing this to Further Embarras XI Jinping on the international stage

Already China is facing real challenges due to Corona , USA , HongKong ,Taiwan
South China Sea ,
Domestic Economic issues
Trade issues and Power
Struggle in CCP.
 
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vstol Jockey said:
India seems to be too hot for China as Chinese seems to suffer from premature ejecul$$ion at the sight of Indian Army.
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Chinese are too smart to get sucked into a trap. India is not their objective. They see India as a hurdle to cross in their bid to challenge the US.

China will never commit to even a limited fight with India in these times, simply because there is little to gain and a LOT to lose. Terrain, Geography, Other issues mean China will not be able to bring in its full weight into the fight. Which helps India since it can not take its eyes of Pakistan.

Case 1 - Chinese army achieves a victory, result is some areas gained in Ladakh / Sikkim. Good for propaganda but low economic value. World powers will intervene and China will have to give up some gains.

Case 2 - Stalemate. It will be a PR disaster for the PLA and its dreams of facing the US.

Case 3 - Indians get a victory. Disaster for China as a whole. Vietnam, Philippines, Taiwan, Japan will get emboldened. The myth of the PLA will be done away with for good and might lead to significant churn in the party leadership.

Too much risk for marginal gain.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
m.timesofindia.com

Army reworks war doctrine for Pakistan, China | India News - Times of India

India News: The Army is now revising its five-year-old doctrine to effectively meet the challenges of a possible 'two-front war' with China and Pakistan.
m.timesofindia.com m.timesofindia.com

It was TEN YEARS AGO that Indian Army
Officially spoke about a Two Front Scenario
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Incorrect.

Indian Army spoke of Two Front War in 1970, when Smt Indira Gandhi, the then PM, told IA to prepare for war. Please get your facts right. It was her resolve in 70s and her foresight in 80s, which saw India put forth what is unofficially called the Indira Doctrine.

It was also under her stewardship that Indian Army Team on Introduction of Technology was formed in 1982 and plan was made to increase Indian footprint from Malacca in East to Aden in West. Unfortunately, she died, her son remained clueless and when Gen Sunderji undertook Ex Brasstacks and Ex Chequerboard, the first major attempt at showcasing capability to fight on two fronts, our bureaucrats and politicians got scared as they felt that Army was becoming too strong. Of course, fall of USSR and our own weak economy ultimately did us in.
 
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Falcon said:
Incorrect.

Indian Army spoke of Two Front War in 1970, when Smt Indira Gandhi, the then PM, told IA to prepare for war. Please get your facts right. It was her resolve in 70s and her foresight in 80s, which saw India put forth what is unofficially called the Indira Doctrine.

It was also under her stewardship that Indian Army Team on Introduction of Technology was formed in 1982 and plan was made to increase Indian footprint from Malacca in East to Aden in West. Unfortunately, she died, her son remained clueless and when Gen Sunderji undertook Ex Brasstacks and Ex Chequerboard, the first major attempt at showcasing capability to fight on two fronts, our bureaucrats and politicians got scared as they felt that Army was becoming too strong. Of course, fall of USSR and our own weak economy ultimately did us in.
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My point was That The Two.Front threat was Well Known for a Long time

So We.expect that Modi would have taken care to implement the plans

In case you have noticed , TRUMP just intervened

That is because he is Angry
With China and India must have asked for a Statement by Trump

So what I was saying yesterday was that since The International Environment is in our favour we must NOT be afraid of
Escalation or Two Front situation

Let it happen , we can manage with US help

But Your statements were implying that
We are Just Not prepared
 
Defc0n said:
India had umpteen opportunities to get rid of Pakistan, which India did not.

As per your logic - 'what is to be done with Pakistan after defeating Pak army' being the reason behind the decision.

So, if I understand correctly, according to you -

1) We should not fry Pakistan, or else we will have a failed state as our neighbour resulting in a new Syria.
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Question is not if we can win. The question is, at what costs are you willing to win. Recall Sri Lanka? Our own public was after the forces, who achieved all objectives given to them. But the cost of holding those objectives without moving into a stage of conflict resolution, was considered too high by the Indian public and became a political liability. We 'lost' (supposedly) it politically. Leave aside the fact that no clear political direction or scope was given nor was an exit plan prepared. Smt IG wanted bifurcation of the country into Tamil and Sinhala portions with incorporation (?). But the plot was lost and undermined, for whatever reasons.

Similarly, when you break Pakistan, you will do so at significant costs. And have weak central authorities which will need either own troops to stay in place to stabilize or we withdraw to watch them collapse as Afghanistan did and then have more headache in terms of increased instability which will spread over into Kashmir. That will entail higher costs. The nation has to first understand the costs.




Defc0n said:
Lastly, @Falcon, could you please tell us, according to you, what are our i.e. India's options, in case of the worst case eventuality of a two - front war ?
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There is not going to be a two front war.

But in a very rare hypothetical scenario where we do have to fight on two fronts simultanneously, we gain west, we loose in North and East a bit ... and try to regain as our capacities match up to the effort required (with US, UK, France and others indirectly supporting and maybe directly intervening). Hard fact.
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
My point was That The Two.Front threat was Well Known for a Long time

So We.expect that Modi would have taken care to implement the plans
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Nope. Unfortunately not so.
No organization can succeed where only the top boss is visionary and his execution team is either inept or timid or purely undermining the efforts. We have this happening a lot of times.




STEPHEN COHEN said:
In case you have noticed , TRUMP just intervened

That is because he is Angry
With China and India must have asked for a Statement by Trump
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No, India did not ask US to make any statement. Sh Trump is being his self, nothing more.

STEPHEN COHEN said:
So what I was saying yesterday was that since The International Environment is in our favour we must NOT be afraid of
Escalation or Two Front situation
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Did you see your lockdown? What struck you most?
 
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Defc0n said:
I highly doubt India asked for a statement from Trump.
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So you want a 24 / 7 update from PMO

Modi is a Baniya

He Did a HUGE programme for Trump in Ahmedabad ONLY for this day

Do you remember that Hydroxychloroquine controversy recently

Trump Said " Your Help will Not be forgotten "

So it just takes Two minutes for Trump
To Tweet and Change The Geopolitical Situation

If a Two front Situation becomes a Reality US will help , I am sure .
 
STEPHEN COHEN said:
Indian Army Mobilisation

https://twitter.com/x/status/1265579316869554176
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You fall for this crap?

Notice very carefully. How are the vehicles in appearance?

This is the routine road convoy my dear sir. Not mobilizing columns. I will not tell you why they are not and how you can make them out to be routine or not … but this is the routine administrative column. Srinagar-Chowkibal convoy on any day numbers almost 100 vehicles spread over 10-15 kms
 
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STEPHEN COHEN said:
So you want a 24 / 7 update from PMO

Modi is a Baniya

He Did a HUGE programme for Trump in Ahmedabad ONLY for this day

Do you remember that Hydroxychloroquine controversy recently

Trump Said " Your Help will Not be forgotten "

So it just takes Two minutes for Trump
To Tweet and Change The Geopolitical Situation

If a Two front Situation becomes a Reality US will help , I am sure .
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I think you are mixing issues.
One, US will help India against China because it suits them, enemy of your enemy is your friend.
Two, Diplomacy doesn't point to asking for statement. More over, this statement was more of a threat to China & we know that's exactly what Trump is famous for.
Also, I hope you recall that Trump tweeted a threat against India just before the said Hydroxychloroquine controversy.
That's just who he is.
 
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