Sukhoi Su-30MKI

Speedster1 said:
Mk2 was supposed to get DARE's UEWS internal suite, derivatives of which are already on the Jag and MiG-29UPG. The podded jammer config was earlier meant only for Mk1A due to obvious space constraints. Likewise, the podded IRST may be Mk1A specific while Mk2 will get the nose mounted version.
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DGCS Das says different though, I'm just going by the video.

Speedster1 said:
We need something larger than the current MFD-55/66 at the very least. And since LCA Mk2 is already getting a nifty LAD, it'd be a shame for MKI to not get it.

Unless of course, there are some technical constraints on Russian birds that make dual screens unavoidable.
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They have it.
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mamiam23 said:
So you are saying that mk2 doesn't need the SPJ Pod like those Elta or DRDO ones mounted on outermost pylon?
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Yes. Internal SPJ was a prime requirement of the Mk2 program.

mamiam23 said:
Where are the locations on airframe we see this arrangement? Would this give similar performance?
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I don't think they revealed the locations yet. We'll know when we see the first prototype.

It'll compare very favorably. In fact I think it'll be better across the board as now simultaneous operation without interference with other active sensors will be guaranteed.

That's not always possible on older systems.
 
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Parthu said:
Yes. Internal SPJ was a prime requirement of the Mk2 program.



I don't think they revealed the locations yet. We'll know when we see the first prototype.

It'll compare very favorably. In fact I think it'll be better across the board as now simultaneous operation without interference with other active sensors will be guaranteed.

That's not always possible on older systems.
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Thanks for reply. But has this sort of arrangement ever been done on a airframe? Like Rafale or Typhoon? I think F-35 main radar is somewhat capable of Jamming. Rafale has a rectangular bar like thing on its tail. Moreover Dassault claims some Active Electronic Jiu jitsu stealth incounter of F-22 Passive Stealth.

Can this arrangement fulfill Rafale Spectra equivalent and also function as Active Jammers?
 
Parthu said:
It wil. We're going for a combined RWR+SPJ antenna aperture.

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The Tx will be jamming, the Rx will be acting as an RWR.
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That's what I heard too, but it appears Das is talking about pods instead.

Check out post 3093. He specifically says even Mk2 will carry a pod, but in a different version. And then says clearly that AMCA's will be internal.

I don't get the point of pods if the same capability is supposed to be in-built.

Our journalists svck, that's a different issue, 'cause I would have gotten this bit cleared in that little show-and-tell session.
 
mamiam23 said:
Thanks for reply. But has this sort of arrangement ever been done on a airframe? Like Rafale or Typhoon? I think F-35 main radar is somewhat capable of Jamming. Rafale has a rectangular bar like thing on its tail. Moreover Dassault claims some Active Electronic Jiu jitsu stealth incounter of F-22 Passive Stealth.
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I'm not sure about Rafale & Typhoon, but I'm willing to bet SPECTRA's functions are highly integrated with the radar so I don't think there would be interference. However, they haven't managed to unify the RWR & SPJ apertures yet. I don't know if they just decided to stick with the physical housings already present on the airframe in order to avoid re-testing aerodynamics or if another reason is there.

F-15EX specifically advertises this capability. F-35 already combines RWR & SPJ apertures into the same unit embedded in the wing leading edges.

F-35's main radar is capable of standoff jamming - that's a whole other level of jamming compared to what SPJs do. F35's main radar can blind targeted enemy sensors at very long ranges, whereas SPJ's area of effect is very localized around the aircraft.

mamiam23 said:
Can this arrangement fulfill Rafale Spectra equivalent and also function as Active Jammers?
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Yes. And unlike SPECTRA, we're gonna have 100% control over the source codes cuz this is our own IP.

randomradio said:
That's what I heard too, but it appears Das is talking about pods instead.

Check out post 3093. He specifically says even Mk2 will carry a pod, but in a different version. And then says clearly that AMCA's will be internal.

I don't get the point of pods if the same capability is supposed to be in-built.

Our journalists svck, that's a different issue, 'cause I would have gotten this bit cleared in that little show-and-tell session.
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I think the key is in saying 'different version'.

He might be talking about a standoff multi-band jammer. Kinda like NGJ.

Mk2 will have the range/time on station to perform a SEAD mission, at least on the Western neighbour. We know we're gonna integrate Rudram-2/3 on the Mk2 any way, so there's a possibility.
 
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Parthu said:
I think the key is in saying 'different version'.

He might be talking about a standoff multi-band jammer. Kinda like NGJ.

Mk2 will have the range/time on station to perform a SEAD mission, at least on the Western neighbour. We know we're gonna integrate Rudram-2/3 on the Mk2 any way, so there's a possibility.
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That's an entirely different capability. I think he is plain wrong in the video. He says some crap about the IRST located below the cockpit too. Must have not prepared for the interview or something, so he's talking about some other program.

Yeah, Mk2 will perform SEAD/DEAD. Both borders, but limited by range due to being SEF.
 
Did Swift Retreat shook them? Yes, our arch enemy is still fretting over MKI rather than Rafale(which is a little surprising because of Rafale + Meteor combo posing the maximum threat to them!) :

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If the current MKI rattles them so much then just think about what Virupaksha + Gandiva combo shall do to them, lol. @marich01, @randomradio
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Did Swift Retreat shook them? Yes, our arch enemy is still fretting over MKI rather than Rafale(which is a little surprising because of Rafale + Meteor combo posing the maximum threat to them!) :

www.indiandefensenews.in

IAF's Sukhoi Su-30MKI Rattles Pilots of Pakistan Air Force

Recent developments have highlighted growing concerns within the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) regarding India's Su-30MKI fighter jet. During the...
www.indiandefensenews.in www.indiandefensenews.in

If the current MKI rattles them so much then just think about what Virupaksha + Gandiva combo shall do to them, lol. @marich01, @randomradio
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The thing with bvr is it actually becomes a fight for endurance and the flanker has the greatest endurance when it comes to being in the air. Bigger problem is actually the Chinese Flankers. We really need the astra mk 2 and gandiva integration to counter pl-15 and pl-17. We really need the r-37m too if we need air superiority over paxi and chini airspace.
 
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Rajput Lion said:
Did Swift Retreat shook them? Yes, our arch enemy is still fretting over MKI rather than Rafale(which is a little surprising because of Rafale + Meteor combo posing the maximum threat to them!) :

www.indiandefensenews.in

IAF's Sukhoi Su-30MKI Rattles Pilots of Pakistan Air Force

Recent developments have highlighted growing concerns within the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) regarding India's Su-30MKI fighter jet. During the...
www.indiandefensenews.in www.indiandefensenews.in

If the current MKI rattles them so much then just think about what Virupaksha + Gandiva combo shall do to them, lol. @marich01, @randomradio
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At high altitude, the missile's range covers the entire width of Pakistan. And Ukraine has been good advertisement for the Flanker.

Our Rafale numbers are too few so they are more likely to be used for strike role while the MKI provides top cover. So PAF's gonna have to deal with MKIs before they get to the Rafales.
 
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Lolwa said:
The thing with bvr is it actually becomes a fight for endurance and the flanker has the greatest endurance when it comes to being in the air. Bigger problem is actually the Chinese Flankers. We really need the astra mk 2 and gandiva integration to counter pl-15 and pl-17. We really need the r-37m too if we need air superiority over paxi and chini airspace.
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R-37M isn't suitable for use against fighter jets. And it can only be used against older jets, 4th gen and below, ones that do not carry MAWS.
 
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